The Carnivore Credo
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I've been curious about this @Sunny_Bunnie . Have you forever had stomach issues and bowel issues eating vegetables or did this just start after/during eating keto to lose weight?
I've had bowel issues since I was a child. Had my gallbladder out at 16 after years going undiagnosed because they never considered someone so young could possibly have over 100 gall stones! I had been tested for everything when they decided to do an ultrasound to "rule out" stones. Lol
Even after that (as well as before) I had IBS.
After gallbladder removal I continued to have phantom attacks at least once a month if not more until I went keto.
Going keto made me feel like my IBS was cured but I occasionally had bloating (mild compared to previous) and started having some constipation which was ok as long as I stayed on top of larger magnesium doses. I used to think too much cheese and protein was to blame for it.
Upon trying carnivore, the remaining symptoms I was having completely went away. Now the only time I get bloating is if I push my luck and eat too large a portion of veggies. Eating 2-3 broccoli flourettes don't seem to be enough of a problem but any more and I'll feel it. There seem to be varying limits with all veggies for me.
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OK. Glad the problem was pre-keto too. Well not glad @Sunny_Bunnie but what I mean is I have always said I have a digestive tract of steel (meaning nothing bothers it) and that has remained true no matter what or how I was eating. I would hate to have one of my trial macro experiments or food choices (for the brain) suddenly disrupt (long term) my seemingly well functioning digestive system, if avoidable.1
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SuperCarLori wrote: »After all my holiday mishaps and how hard it is to stop at the little teeny serving size of them, I need to get them away from me. It's like trying keep a little crack in the house.
Oy! Glad you're on top of it!2 -
SuperCarLori wrote: »SuperCarLori wrote: »What about dairy on a carnivore diet? @FIT_Goat I can't eat nuts or seeds either...I wind up eating mindlessly. Sighs.
Even in puréed (butter) or toasted form? Cooked in keto soup?
After all my holiday mishaps and how hard it is to stop at the little teeny serving size of them, I need to get them away from me. It's like trying keep a little crack in the house.
This is totally me...I just can't seem to control myself with nuts! I need to go cold turkey.
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@FIT_Goat I'm so glad your digestive issues are clearing up!
As for me, well, it was only summer when I joined and replied to this thread, but I am happy to report that a) I'm still a HUGE advocate for VARIETY in my diet and, b) I still love my gosh darn veggies and I WILL continue to eat them until I am full (I only make one meal per day that makes me STUFFED, albeit comfortably so, usually with things like celery, cucumbers, broth, pickles--after I've eaten some FAT and protein and still find myself a bit hungry) and I don't care if anyone disagrees with that, because it works for me. If eliminating veg or only using very little works for someone else, I will not argue with that.
I'm glad for this discussion, and all the replies, because it only proves that there isn't one way to skin a cat do keto. Cheers, folks!1 -
Is being a carnivore and doing IF a good mix? Or isn't IF needed if you're strictly a carnivore?0
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Is being a carnivore and doing IF a good mix? Or isn't IF needed if you're strictly a carnivore?
I find my eating habits are closer to IF than not, when eating ZC. I generally eat lunch and dinner (about a 4 to 6 hour window) and nothing else. I don't usually snack or eat outside that window.
The only difference would be that it isn't intentional. I don't aim for that, and nothing stops me from eating outside the window. It just tends to be the pattern I fall into. Sometimes I eat just once. So I have a 23-1 window there.2 -
I'm back, baby! I've missed the benefits of eating mostly ground beef, so I'm loading up on 80/20 and getting back to it.3
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I read on a zero carb blog that you shouldn't intermittent fast while doing it. I love fasting and only eat 1 meal a day and hoped to do zero carb. I just don't want to over stress my system. Anyone experience success eating zero carb and fasting??0
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I read on a zero carb blog that you shouldn't intermittent fast while doing it. I love fasting and only eat 1 meal a day and hoped to do zero carb. I just don't want to over stress my system. Anyone experience success eating zero carb and fasting??
I've always done IF, usually 16/8.. sometimes 18/6 on keto, but eating zero carb reduced my hunger even further so now I do 18/6 or 20/4 much more often.
I just eat when I'm hungry. It doesn't make sense to me to eat just for the sake of eating when I have plenty of body fat I still want to lose.
I've never heard that theory of IF not being good for carnivore before.1 -
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That video is truly misleading on many fronts. The fact that humans are capable omnivores isn't really up to debate. It's a byproduct of our evolution. But, we're much closer to being carnivores than being herbivores. There's several incorrect "facts" as well, for example the part about vitamin C. We don't need plants for it, mostly because we don't need it when eating fresh meat.
The stomach acid thing is especially fun. We average around 1.5 while herbivores are around 4.1 to 6.1. That seems pretty close except that it's a logarithmic scale. Our stomachs are 400 to 40,000 times more acidic than an herbivores! We're also not the top, insectivores like bats often have pH values closer to herbivores. Do you know the pH of a cat's stomach? It's 3.6! No one would argue that a cat is an herbivore.
Reference: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519257/] The tables are especially enlightening. You'll see that stomach acid alone isn't a very good indicator. And, you'll see that humans fall well within the range of accepted carnivores. The number given for humans from that table is 1.5. So, super in the range for carnivores. Although the argument is more that it protects us from disease. This makes sense from an evolutionary perspective as we probably scavenged flesh in our earliest development.
It goes in similar directions when you actually investigate the science behind the other claims. Depending on the animals picked, you can end up with vastly different conclusions. Here's one with humans, a carnivore, and an herbivore. It comes to the opposite conclusion of the video.
Edit: Most of her arguments are just "I don't understand how human evolution, brain development, and tool use determined our diet--therefore we must not eat meat."4 -
Oh, my favorite part of the video is where she points out that atherosclerosis only develops in plant eaters and not in carnivores. . . as an argument for why we should eat plants! Because, guys, we develop that disease that animals eating plants develop when we eat plants! That means we are supposed to eat plants!!!
Also, call out to the cholesterol myth. That is, she makes the implication that dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol and causes heart disease. Which, we know isn't scientifically supported.3 -
Well, I liked the video and I thought she was kind of cute. I don't play a scientist on the Internet, so I'll just leave it at that.0
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IF is freaking AHMAZING!!! I am in full menopause, I feel wonderful on OMAD. Been on Carnivore since February 22 and have dropped 33 lbs so far. Never ever hungry. I grazed through the day for about a week and stalled my consistent weight loss for about 10 days. So I went back to OMAD eating ruminate meat, eggs, butter and salt only and I am back to consistently losing and I feel really excellent.3
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There's strong reason to suspect that IF only matters when eating a species-inappropriate diet. I see no point to it when eating carnivore. Losing an average of 4.2 pounds a week (more really since you claim to have stalled for 10 days so more like over 5 pounds a week) isn't sustainable. You can force yourself thin, but you can't force yourself into health.2
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I’m glad you’re feeling so great on carnivore @JanineAytekin
I agree with @FIT_Goat that the fasting isn’t absolutely necessary on carnivore though, I lost a lot of weight on carnivore while still eating three meals a day. I’m still eating three meals a day and maintaining a normal weight, the lowest weight I’ve ever been as an adult.
Having said that, some people do seem to feel great doing one meal a day on carnivore. So there’s something in it that’s doing something for them.
A lot of people do lose weight quickly at first on carnivore and then get frustrated when it slows down. For me, not losing weight for 10 days isn’t a stall, that’s just a natural pause in weight loss.0
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