Histamines, inflamation and biohacking experiment starting
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I had a lactose intolerant-like reaction (won't go into details) to two bite macaroons that did not have any dairy of any kind. It happened a second time too with a piece of Ezekiel bread. I put it down to maybe fructose-glucose. I know that glucose can be a "covering" word for any type of sugar including lactose. But it was a very small, small amount in a very small serving. But maybe fructose? Not sneezing though. My own 'reaction'.0
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Thanks @dasher602014 -great tip. Bizarre, to me, how macaroons win the spectacular reaction award. Other items give me a reaction but more hay fever sinus headache, sore throat etc without sneezing. I figure whatever is in macaroons I try seperately and find if that triggers a reaction. Did not consider milk /lactose. Will add that to the human guinea pig trials.0
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dasher602014 wrote: »Boy, is that a list! I hope you feel the effects of missing these and be able to isolate which ones are causing you grief.
I just finish a book which is really interesting and very, very readable, about microbes in our gut and how they affect everything, from the ability of babies to survive to risk taking behaviours and, of course, allergies and food intolerances.
If you are interested:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23013953-gut
Thx for the book tip. (FYI, Title = Gut: The Inside Story of Our Body's Most Underrated Organ)
The preview looked promising, so I bought it. Can't wait for the long and winding journey.
FYI, foreign language titles:
Italian: L'Intestino Felice
German: Darm mit Charme
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PaleoInScotland wrote: »I'm not really allergic to anything, but I recently discovered that high volumes of citric acid cause my throat to swell. It happened after I drank a sugar free lemon drink when I was out running errands last week. I was blaming the artificial sweetener as its not one I've been exposed to much, if at all. But then the same thing happened after I bought a jar of lemon slices preserved in lemon juice and citric acid. I usually toss fresh lemon slices in my water but I was feeling lazy. After going through 4 litres of water with the jarred lemon slices, the same thing happened to my throat and the higher than normal citric acid exposure seemed to be the only commonality.
That experience gave me a whole new perspective on what people who have genuine food allergies must go through. I don't think those of us fortunate enough to not have to worry about our food realise how difficult it must be, especially for parents whose children have allergies.
Hope you find the culprit @SamandaIndia
Mom had to make my food from scratch when I was a baby because I reacted to citric acid. If I got tomatoes on my face (they're almost always preserved with citric acid), I'd break out in a rash. We suspect I may still have issues with it, but haven't tested to be sure yet.
That's tough! What a good mom though. Citric acid is everywhere, it's tough to avoid it without sticking strictly to fresh meat & veg. I'm wondering if my intolerance is because I really don't eat much of anything that isn't fresh food anymore and I'm not exposed to it much now. It definitely takes a high volume of it to do me in. I've just been rinsing off my jarred lemon slices and that has been working, though I won't be buying any more of them and I certainly won't be drinking any more lemon drink.0 -
Very interesting. Thanks for updating us. Hope you are able to isolate all your triggers soon!0
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I love our community for everyone's unique experiences. I don't have any of these issues but I still find following your experiment fascinating!
I hope you can get it all figured out soon so that you can enjoy more variety without complications.1 -
Oh, and at least for my problems, eating fat with my triggers mutes the reaction because it slows down absorption. So, eating a macaroon when I am empty; huge reaction, eating after a meal; speed bump.0
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@dasher602014 great point. Another variable! Btw fresh small macaroon less reactive than older version of same which is less spectacular than the vintage middle sized macaroon that started the human guinea pig experiments (slight recipe difference). Red apples give me a headache if I eat more than a half. Ripe tomatoes suspect too.0
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Following. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I have a few similarities; but my son has a lot in common with you, so it will be interesting to see what you find as triggers and what helps. I hope you find answers shortly. Thanks again Elizabeth Maryam 0
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@SamandaIndia non organic apples have 47 pestisides on them according to the USDA. It may not be the apples themselves....
http://www.whatsonmyfood.org/food.jsp?food=AP
just a thought...
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Great tip.. thxs @canadjineh0
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Bump! Interested in how things are going @SamandaIndia1
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great thread guys0
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I'm very curious about this, because I have been having hive-like reactions all over my body as well as some prickly heat and red bumps on my face ever since I started this WOE 14 months ago. Perhaps I should look into this as well. I guess I didn't even realize foods had histamine in them.1
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Apologies for going dark for a week: Mum's been visiting so Miss congeniality here has been sharing meals that are not good for me, in an effort to keep mum happy (she cant leave food and the servings are too big to finish so clearly that's my problem). Net result I can confirm tomatoes are an issue for me and carbs make me want carbs. My feet have got more sensitive to cold and I have a monster headache. Mum in Ireland gor a week. Husband informed me that our ensuite shower drain clogged up due to the hair I lost in the week she has visited so far. I want to be strong enough to say no but mum has a way of making her request so begnine. Just a simple sandwhich is all i want. No idea how hard that makes life for my low carb choices. Pretty confident histammines are an issue. Will report more specifics later.1
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SamandaIndia wrote: »Apologies for going dark for a week: Mum's been visiting so Miss congeniality here has been sharing meals that are not good for me, in an effort to keep mum happy (she cant leave food and the servings are too big to finish so clearly that's my problem). Net result I can confirm tomatoes are an issue for me and carbs make me want carbs. My feet have got more sensitive to cold and I have a monster headache. Mum in Ireland gor a week. Husband informed me that our ensuite shower drain clogged up due to the hair I lost in the week she has visited so far. I want to be strong enough to say no but mum has a way of making her request so begnine. Just a simple sandwhich is all i want. No idea how hard that makes life for my low carb choices. Pretty confident histammines are an issue. Will report more specifics later.
Oh my, I feel your pain. My mom is here for a month from the US next week. I'm dreading the food situation. She insists on eating on a fixed schedule which so does not work for me. And I refuse to allow carbs in my house, she's going to have to eat out if she wants rice, bread or potatoes. I had to eat what she fed me when I wad little, tables are turned now lol.3 -
Love your boundaries @PaleoInScotland .I have to learn better boundaries with her fast or I am going to put on weight, get muscle attrophy and go bald.......
The Michelin tyre woman ! there's a look I do not want to achieve. Btw the muscle attrophy is due to my body getting tense through stress, no yoga and no exercise beyond walking around tourist ateas. Exhausted still. Combination of stress relief and legacy of bad food choices. Have to tell her I cant eat gluten, tomatoes, cheese etc..I will be judged as stupid for that, but I guess that's better for my mental and physical health than Michelin woman. 1 -
SamandaIndia wrote: »Love your boundaries @PaleoInScotland .I have to learn better boundaries with her fast or I am going to put on weight, get muscle attrophy and go bald.......
The Michelin tyre woman ! there's a look I do not want to achieve. Btw the muscle attrophy is due to my body getting tense through stress, no yoga and no exercise beyond walking around tourist ateas. Exhausted still. Combination of stress relief and legacy of bad food choices. Have to tell her I cant eat gluten, tomatoes, cheese etc..I will be judged as stupid for that, but I guess that's better for my mental and physical health than Michelin woman.
Be strong! I know, it's tough with moms, we revert to feeling like children again when we're around our parents.
It's a little easier for me to justify the restrictions as I have a LOT of weight to lose and she'll soon see the success I've had so far. She knows what she's in for and has been fairly warned. She'll whine, that's for sure. But she has options, there's a chip shop on the corner where she can go get all the carbs she wants, I'll even pay, they just can't be eaten in the house. Fast forward a few years, when I'm in a different place with my health and weight loss and I may be a more amenable host. My husband is suffering many of the same restrictions, but he's okay with it, he's been so incredibly supportive (finally!) though it's kinda easy when he gets dinners like fillet steak w/ a side of garlic butter prawns.4 -
My husband had been teasing me, and I thought he had the impression my diet was silly. With mum here he genuinely asked what are you doing? There is sugar in that... you dont need to do that to yourself. Very sweet of him. I now understand he gets it and the teasing is just genuine play and celebration of my discipline in becoming healthier.11
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Any suggestions where to find low histammine with low carb recipes. My search is on. Thxs. Will report back what I find.0
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@SamandaIndia here's a BlogSpot - although it is Paleo she does have a list of foods eaten each day (meal plan) but obviously you will have to edit out some foods like sweet potato, etc and add in others. Maybe it will give you some ideas... boy, is that combo ever hard to find.
paleothoughts.blogspot.ca/2011/11/wrapping-up-30-days-hard-core-low.html
this might help too: The Low Histamine Chef - she also has a closed FB group you might want to join.
thelowhistaminechef.com/2 -
Many thanks @canadjineh I appreciate the tips and your hunting efforts! Pintarest is also looking promising with links also to low histamine chef that you suggested. I am also starting yoga and meditation as reducing stress helps the body cope better with histamines, and no doubt lots of other stuff too.1
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Oh dear. I just read a bit more about histamine intolerance, and I think this might explain the hives I've had ever since starting this WOE 14 months ago as well as the occasional joint pain, sinus swelling, acne, skin irritation, GI upset.... *sigh*0
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@DianaElena76 sorry to hear that. Good luck with your investigations and testing your hypothesis0
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BtW many sites suggest if you have histamine intollerance there can be randomness to testing. This is because it is a sink too full model. If we have not had high histamine food for a while then we may be able to tolerate a higher histamine food, whereas if we have been eating lots of them then our body screams no more. Tomatoes, avocado, cheese, bacon, seafood many nuts n seeds and even Spinach are on the high list. Given they are all suited to LCHF, my daily menu was that list n fresh meat plus eggs. Having to re-evaluate choices now.1
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SamandaIndia wrote: »BtW many sites suggest if you have histamine intollerance there can be randomness to testing. This is because it is a sink too full model. If we have not had high histamine food for a while then we may be able to tolerate a higher histamine food, whereas if we have been eating lots of them then our body screams no more. Tomatoes, avocado, cheese, bacon, seafood many nuts n seeds and even Spinach are on the high list. Given they are all suited to LCHF, my daily menu was that list n fresh meat plus eggs. Having to re-evaluate choices now.
@SamandaIndia I do find the histamine reaction things to be a threshold reaction for me as well...though for whatever reason, the increased dosage of my beta blocker blood pressure medicine that is sometimes used as a migraine treatment has prevented any further food migraine issues since the initial onset. I wish I had a finger to point as far as causation for that, as I also reduced a number of things, etc. I still get the flush and "hot" feeling that precedes a migraine, but I haven't gotten that far again...0 -
SamandaIndia wrote: »@DianaElena76 sorry to hear that. Good luck with your investigations and testing your hypothesis
Oh, you didn't catch the I'm-waiting-to-see-how-you-fare-first tone of my posts?
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@DianaElena76 caught it, intrigued but was hoping it was more of a spectator sport
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Yesterday I had vanilla protein powder meal substitute with a coffee bean and tea leaf vanilla sugar free shake powder plus unsweetened almond milk. Great smoothie. Quick n easy (lazy moment and curious if it was an option). 20 mins later sneezing a lot! Need to use the 2 powders seperately and see which one doesn't like me. Next will be ingredient check for offending powder, assuming I get that clarity. The almond milk has been safe for me, despite nuts being higher in histamines. Hoping that situation has not changed!2
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Moving back towards keto and managing my electrolytes etc. Thus had bone broth for lunch with veg, given I am trying meatless may. Headache n sinuses both full, re-enforces the likelyhood histamines are my problem and as @DittoDan pointed out I have some more microflora to fix in my gut. Argueably the veg were getting softer so had aged (hell that is what I do when I have a mix of veg that need to be eaten, else they compost in fridge) and could also be a culprit. While keto I just had green leafies in the house but with mum here my composter, err chiller had a broader variety for her welcome back soup.
http://www.nourishingplot.com/2015/01/05/the-most-common-meat-sock-bone-broth-questions/
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