Histamines, inflamation and biohacking experiment starting

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  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    My exception to low sugar held for girlfriend doing her farewell pre baby arriving. She baked Pink small lamingtons, blue shortbreads and swirled either pink or blue biscotti. I tried a little of each. OMG... headache!!! Reinforces my choice to lay off the sugar! Love her fresh bake goods and they hate me. Got to learn to hate them back!!
  • dasher602014
    dasher602014 Posts: 1,992 Member
    It is hard to resist lamingtons! and I know them only from Oz visits. There was a shop in a town on the Mornington pennisula that had the best vanilla slice in the world, or so they said. It would have served 6 or 8 people IMO. But we were both saved because the shop was closing. Good thing with my lactose intolerance and DH diabetes. That was before LC so I don't think we would have been tempted now. (They also had the biggest and softest looking lamintons in the window).
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    Lucky break @dasher602014 who would have thought, saved by the closing bell!
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    edited June 2016
    Great weekend. Fatigue has popped back into my life gradually as I tried 2 months of adding in a few extra carbs also equating with stress of telling staff of downsizing and potential I could finish too. Doing relaxation and dance, like no one is watching, (NIA) I think helps both my mind and gut.

    Anyone who likes the seaweed that we wrap sushi in, nori. Aside from naked sushi (no rice) that I now use it for, I just got creative and fried some in coconut oil and salt. Nice n crunchy. No alergy either :)
  • canadjineh
    canadjineh Posts: 5,396 Member
    edited June 2016
    I am lazy and buy the packets of fried salted mini nori sheets in 5g single serving size from Japan or Korea for work snacks. I also like to snip nori into my 'spaghetti' sauce. Adds extra nutrients and my hubby thinks it is spinach, bwahahaha - he is not a fan of sushi - it's a mental thing for him. I also use dried bull kelp as chips/UK crisps, but not sure if that would be any good for you.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    Found this:

    http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2013/02/foodless-friday-health-benefits-of-diatomaceous-earth.html

    Hummm.... with my yeasties and beasties making VLCD impossible (when I am in ketosis for longer than 12 hours - all symptoms re-appear with a vengeance), I am skeptical but tempted to try. And the OP is a blogger about LC diet who ran into food intolerances and it was a miracle cure for her.

    Not recommending but very curious. Anyone else heard of this one?

    @dasher602014 I bought some diatomaceous earth at the recommendation of @dietbepsi. She posted this comment in the post about Biotin and hair loss:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x55jNuCIbo

    I posted this recently (a few minutes ago) on another topic. I really recommend looking into food grade diatomaceous earth. The stuff is amazing and helpful with so many things! For hair and nails, intestinal health, cleansing, skin, it's anti-aging, it's truly amazing.... I have definitely seen improvement in my hair which my hair dresser had told me a couple of months ago that my hair was thinning! I can't afford to lose hair! It's so much healthier. I really feel like the stuff is the all natural fountain of youth. Google it!


    I took it one day, but became concerned about the detoxifying effects, so I'd put it on hold, but I'm happy to have read the article you posted, and I plan to take some shortly, as I'm happy to say I have it with me! :) I got a different brand than recommended, but I'm sure they quality rating the one I got had means it will be good, too. I'm going to start slow, as I'm taking a probiotic and other stuff lately, too! :)
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    edited June 2016
    Caesar salad with no croutons but including tuna (odd) and cheese. Bloated like a basketball and fatigued. Later tried a meal replacement with milk proteins in it to test that idea and wham sneezing and sinus flare up. Guess dairy needs to be off my list for a while. I keep hoping a cheese style or some dairy would be an exception. No cheese, bacon, tomatoes, avocado and no gluten. This is getting trickier. Think I need to work on healing gut!!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    edited June 2016
    Caesar salad with no croutons but including tuna (odd) and cheese. Bloated like a basketball and fatigued. Later tried a meal replacement with milk proteins in it to test that idea and wham sneezing and sinus flare up. Guess dairy needs to be off my list for a while. I keep hoping a cheese style or some dairy would be an exception. No cheese, bacon, tomatoes, avocado and no gluten. This is getting trickier. Think I need to work on healing gut!!

    @SamandaIndia - The culprit here is most likely the Parmesan cheese in the dressing. It's got a STUPID HIGH histamine rating... Just FYI...

    And have you tried nutritional yeast with things? I can add it in and cut my level of cheese down by 80%.
  • dasher602014
    dasher602014 Posts: 1,992 Member
    I second the nutritional yeast. I can eat sheep and goat cheese but when I want to reduce my cheese (or don't have any on hand) I turn to nutritional yeast to add that cheesy favour.

    @knitormiss thanks for the DE video. I was dubious but I think I will buy some and try a very little. See what happens. I so want to lower my carbs and lose some weight but my yeasties won't let me. DE seems to be a cure-all and that makes me skeptical. But I am going to try it.

    Thanks
  • canadjineh
    canadjineh Posts: 5,396 Member
    Well, I could see where DE might work, after all it is the mineral shells of tiny algae. Here's the mineral content from a site about deworming/killing parasites in livestock:

    Diatomaceous Earth provides a broad spectrum of naturally occurring chelated minerals. These include potassium, iron, calcium, magnesium, phosphate, sodium, titanium and others. Numerous accounts of gain have been reported when adding Diatom to a ration. With the lack of mineralization in modern grains, it isn't hard to conceive of mineral benefits from a finely ground natural mineral product. Feeding at 2% of grain ration can take care of both de-worming and mineralization. Most livestock will acquire a 'taste' for the mineral if a small amount is mixed in with other feed. After acquiring a taste for Diatom, they may take it free-choice.

    Diatomaceous Earth is a natural (not calcined or flux calcined) compound with many elements which include:

    Silicon Dioxide (SiO2) - 83.7%, Aluminium Oxide (A12O3) - 5.6%, Iron Oxide (Fe2O3) - 2.3%
    Calcium Oxide (CaO) - 0.4%, Magnesium Oxide (MgO) - 0.3%, Other Oxides - 1.9%.

    Analysis of Other Elements:

    Copper - 2ppm, Strontium - 100ppm, Titanium - 1800ppm, Manganese - 200ppm.
    Sodium - 2000ppm, Vanadium - 500ppm, Boron - 50ppm, Zirconium - 220ppm.
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    Will give it a go! Never thought that I would eat fossils that I studied. V odd. Cashew headache nuts with lunch but the that beef salad was yummy and no dairy so no bloat. Happy with learning more each day.
  • dasher602014
    dasher602014 Posts: 1,992 Member
    I am having trouble with sprouted grains. (Not that we eat much bread.) But in trying low carb breads, sprouted grains seem to be the winner for lower carbs, and I cannot do them at all. Off to the bathroom within 10 minutes. Regular yeast bread, tried as a experiment twice, no problem.
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    Older veggies, egg n almond meal, plus almond milk. Sneezing, sore throat, scratchy eyes. Guess histammines are a part of my story.
  • jetsamflotsam
    jetsamflotsam Posts: 170 Member
    Is it possible it's something in your environment? Have you looked into oral allergy syndrome? Do you have an allergy specialist?
  • DittoDan
    DittoDan Posts: 1,850 Member
    Older veggies, egg n almond meal, plus almond milk. Sneezing, sore throat, scratchy eyes. Guess histammines are a part of my story.

    Don't forget you have a distinctly different microbiome in your mouth (different from your stomach). You might try some "natural" toothpaste without the fluoride and other chemicals. I buy mine at Fresh Thyme, but sure you can find some online and/or at other whole foods stores.

    I hope this helps,
    Dan the Man from Michigan
    Keto / The Recipe Water Fasting / E.A.S.Y. Exercise Program

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  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    @dittoDan love the cat paws. Thxs!
    Awesome weekend cycling part of the Mosel river. Gorgeous scenery, many castles and tudor style buildings, great cycle paths and yummy bakeries. I tried bienenstich (bee sting cake) and cherry strudel and bread. Mostly had meat and eggs but some treats in the mix. Short term felt snotty but no headache. Longer term, when you combine it with the muscles busy building, I look like the "stay puff marshmallow" woman. Gained 5lb in 4 days on scale. Not real. I figure one of you at least could do with a laugh imagining that marshmallow lady on a fine bone structure.

    My husband describes it as my body is building muscles so it put up scaffolding whilst it does that. Will shrink again once the building is complete and the scaffolding is put down. Lovely imagery. Meantime... thunder thighs! Looking forward to doing that type of holiday again. Little less treats.
  • canadjineh
    canadjineh Posts: 5,396 Member
    Your cycling trip sounds awesome, marshmallow lady! ahahahaha
  • dasher602014
    dasher602014 Posts: 1,992 Member
    Sounds awesome!
  • ryanb1385
    ryanb1385 Posts: 56 Member
    edited June 2016
    @SamandaIndia Just read through most of this thread, and it sounds like we had/have very similar issues. Any time I would eat fruits/veggies, raw nuts and hand full of other foods, my lips would swell, my nose would run, throat constricted and break out in wheals on my hands and fingers.

    I ended up at an allergist for these symptoms and they put me through the normal prick test. The doctor (Older man) looked at my results and said "you are the second most sensitive person I have met in my entire career". He went on to say (paraphrasing) that there is a similar protein in the foods that trigger me to the pollen I am highly allergic to and my body is reacting (histamines) like I am eating the pollen.

    The solution, allergy shots! Seriously, this changed my life and food relationships dramatically. I am back to being able to eat 90% of the foods that triggered me with out any issues. There is a solution other than cutting out all these foods and it makes LCHF so much easier to follow. Technically, I has severe OAS, with birch bark, rag weed and grass as the most sensitive pollens.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_allergy_syndrome

    Check out the cross reaction section of the wikipedia link, might blow your mind.

    TL;DR - Go to the allergist and get checked out for OAS!
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    Thanks @ryanb1385. I will investigate.

    Mustard or older shredded coconut caused sneezing last night. Spectacular. Chicken breast n egg were other 2 foods I ate and I have had them today with salt and no sneezing. Next to try either the coconut or mustard with something. My money is on the vintage djon mustard.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Found this:

    http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2013/02/foodless-friday-health-benefits-of-diatomaceous-earth.html

    Hummm.... with my yeasties and beasties making VLCD impossible (when I am in ketosis for longer than 12 hours - all symptoms re-appear with a vengeance), I am skeptical but tempted to try. And the OP is a blogger about LC diet who ran into food intolerances and it was a miracle cure for her.

    Not recommending but very curious. Anyone else heard of this one?

    If you decide to use it, make sure it's FOOD GRADE. There are several different kinds.
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    Mustard is the guilty party. Same ingredients for lunch sans mustard and no sneezing. Sharing in case that helps someone else on their discovery path.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    Mustard is the guilty party. Same ingredients for lunch sans mustard and no sneezing. Sharing in case that helps someone else on their discovery path.

    @SamandaIndia - I wonder if mustard powder would have the same effect - or if it might be the vinegar or another ingredient?
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    @KnitOrMiss good question. Will investigate.
    BtW Just had a new season apricot as a treat and I have a funny swelling tingling in upper palette of mouth so I may also need to burrow down the OAS birch pollen line of thinking too. Thxs to @ryanb1385 for that tip. Wish it was easy to pattern match with a cause.
  • Jan93L
    Jan93L Posts: 178 Member
    I am severely allergic to mustard in any and all forms. Pollen, mustard seeds, dry mustard, etc. I get hives all over and my throat swells shut. Anaphylaxis. It is in so many things! I've learned to make things like barbecue sauce, baked beans, etc. without mustard.
  • ryanb1385
    ryanb1385 Posts: 56 Member
    @KnitOrMiss good question. Will investigate.
    BtW Just had a new season apricot as a treat and I have a funny swelling tingling in upper palette of mouth so I may also need to burrow down the OAS birch pollen line of thinking too. Thxs to @ryanb1385 for that tip. Wish it was easy to pattern match with a cause.

    Trust me when I say I feel your pain. Hopefully, it is OAS because there is a solution to it. You can always message me, or post here if you have questions.
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    @Jan93L baked beans have mustard in them?? Wow. Interesting! Thxs for sharing.
  • Jan93L
    Jan93L Posts: 178 Member
    @SamandaIndia They have dry mustard, even in the canned ones. That was one of the first things I reacted to. Our family ate baked beans every Saturday when I was a kid. Now I substitute a 1/4 tsp of turmeric and 1/4 tsp of ginger for the mustard. Horseradish is good in them , too. Or a but of cayenne or hot sauce. Different flavor than mustard but it gives a little kick to things.
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    Call it denial... I love tomato and before I went burrowing down this lchf/ candida/ inflamation rabbit hole I had made / frozen a nice batch of minestrone soup. A former go-to fave of mine. Spring clean out of house and I figure I may as well eat it rather than waste it. I know it has lots of root veg n even pasta in it. One bowl full consumed....Bad choice. I love that soup but it hates me.

    I know I do have some immediate allegic style reactions AND I think also have some that take longer n build up like histammines. Cloggy head n sore throat n scratchy eyes clearly in response to the soup. My heart is still struggling to throw the rest of that batch out. I feel very odd with the concept of giving it to someone, saying here is something that made me sick, tastes amazing, hope you enjoy it. I also think emotionally I am not just throwing the soup out, I am throwing my denial out with it. Hard!! Not quite there yet, so thus the rambling post. I sound like I am quitting drugs.... Such a mind game!
  • SamandaIndia
    SamandaIndia Posts: 1,577 Member
    Happy Dance. BPC, 2 hour cycle, Vietnamese basil beef at lunch then 2 hour cycle home then restaurant scallops and beef for dinner with no adverse reactions. Even had a couple of bights of chocolate lava cake with vanilla bean icecream. Yum. No headache. First day in months.