Keto summit
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@KnitOrMiss
This is not from the summit, but it is a good youtube video where Dr. Westmark is explaining his plan to those just starting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLf4bzAyOM
As for the interview for the summit, I think a couple of the best takeaways were:
- Watch out for "trigger foods" which are those things that are easy to overeat. Best example he gave, which is one for me, is pork rinds. Although there are no carbs, it is easy to eat a whole bag which would be 800 calories. So it is important to still watch portion size, particularly with some foods.
- Stop eating when you are full. It is easy to over eat because the portion sizes are smaller that get you full. My wife on multiple occasions has commented that it didn't look like I had enough food on my plate to be full. She doesn't understand the eggs and bacon, although not as large as the heaping bowl of oatmeal and toast with jelly, is actually more filling.2 -
Dr. Westman was my favorite. Not a super science presentation and pretty "black and white"
I noted Westman's pitfalls or problems that tend to "get in the way" of "success" (not sure how he phrased it exactly...perhaps a "stall"):
Carb Creep
Ignoring Calories
Artificial Sweeteners
Bad Habits
Not noting improvements in body composition
Trigger foods
Well intentioned other people in life
Convenience Foods
These are the things he said people need to be aware of or address if they are not losing. Nothing new but definitely a confirmation of what is expressed so frequently in this forum.3 -
@kpk54 is much better at being succinct than some of us. Perfect list there.0
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Westman. Westman. Westman. I speak of Dr. Eric Westman.
cstehansen wrote: »@kpk54 is much better at being succinct than some of us. Perfect list there.
LOL @cstehansen . The only notes I took listening to ANY of the videos.1 -
Adding to the above: Healclinics.com is the new business Westman is getting established in addition to his AdaptBars. Currently there is info on line though I think it is still in infancy. One can get on a mailing list.1
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Dr. Westman was my favorite. Not a super science presentation and pretty "black and white"
I noted Westman's pitfalls or problems that tend to "get in the way" of "success" (not sure how he phrased it exactly...perhaps a "stall"):
Carb Creep
Ignoring Calories
Artificial Sweeteners
Bad Habits
Not noting improvements in body composition
Trigger foods
Well intentioned other people in life
Convenience Foods
These are the things he said people need to be aware of or address if they are not losing. Nothing new but definitely a confirmation of what is expressed so frequently in this forum.
Thanks for the summary.
Interesting that he mentions calories.
The idea that you can toss back gratuitous fat bombs of X000+ calories of coconut oil/motor oil/Vaseline with no effect on your weight (apart from "possible" GI fireworks), somehow always smelled a little of urban legend to this bird....4 -
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Gotcha. The bird few right over my head.1 -
I have no clue why I sometimes just don't feel satisfied hunger-wise until I have eaten to my specified daily calories most days... even if it's only 150 calories left. As I look at my food diary for the last time each evening to see where I have room in my macros, my brain says, "OK, you can have half an avocado or a cheese stick and all will be well." lol going with, brain hunger here, if I was betting on it!0
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Dr. Westman was my favorite. Not a super science presentation and pretty "black and white"
I noted Westman's pitfalls or problems that tend to "get in the way" of "success" (not sure how he phrased it exactly...perhaps a "stall"):
Carb Creep
Ignoring Calories
Artificial Sweeteners
Bad Habits
Not noting improvements in body composition
Trigger foods
Well intentioned other people in life
Convenience Foods
These are the things he said people need to be aware of or address if they are not losing. Nothing new but definitely a confirmation of what is expressed so frequently in this forum.
@kpk54 Excellent summary!
Westman (sorry autocorrect in my post above)
also mentioned as examples of keto traps:
- alcohol is a big caloric intake.
- various fat bombs. A lady who drank 1000 kcal in her BPC.
- A Southern lady who fruit infused her water with 1 whole pineapple.
In addition I think he mentioned :
- that exercise "stalls" weight loss but might lead to positive body changes.
- Exercise lowers blood glucose...If done right.
- Be pragmatic. Let the diet work for you, not the other way. If can't afford grass fed yada-yada. then buy what you can afford.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
I really wish someone is able to record that interview with Westmark. Pure gold for both noob and oldies alike!3 -
@Foamroller - See my comment above on saving vids for future viewing.1
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From Louise Hendon at the Keto Summit:
But also, a quick update about the Encore Days.
We've been very swayed by wonderful comments like "Jason Fung has changed my life" and "thank you for the interview with Dr. Cate because I consider her information on a whole other level and dispensed in a a real way."
We really want the amazing wisdom of these experts to reach as many people as possible.
So...
For the encore days, we'll be replaying ALL the talks - that's 48 hours of replay for all 35 videos! You could potentially binge watch them all
In return, I'd like to ask one favor of you - please please share this summit with all your family and friends - tell them which talk has been your favorite and make sure they go watch it during the encore days (Oct 5 & 6).
Just tell them to go register at:
-->> http://ketosummit.com3 -
Gotcha. The bird few right over my head.
Where is that sarcasm font? Kitties and memes aplenty, but we still lack this essential font.3 -
Glad they are doing an encore. I missed the first and last days speakers.0
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I just went ahead and purchased access to both series since I have seen few of the keto series because my current research is more focused on Alzheimer's and cancer but I noted a lot of cross references on the subjects from both series. For research I really need the transcripts since I do not hear or spell well. 2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I just went ahead and purchased access to both series since I have seen few of the keto series because my current research is more focused on Alzheimer's and cancer but I noted a lot of cross references on the subjects from both series. For research I really need the transcripts since I do not hear or spell well.
What's the second series you're watching?0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I just went ahead and purchased access to both series since I have seen few of the keto series because my current research is more focused on Alzheimer's and cancer but I noted a lot of cross references on the subjects from both series. For research I really need the transcripts since I do not hear or spell well.
What's the second series you're watching?
"Awakening from Alzheimer's" video series - Keto diets
Below is an overview session of the series.
event.awakeningfromalzheimers.com/pilot-evergreen/0 -
I liked Dan Pardi's interview.... concerning beneficial changes to the hypothalamus and lowering of the ghrelin level rise after a ketogenic period of eating followed by a HFLC similar time period followed by a 6x longer period of mainly MUFA type Mediterranean diet as maintenance. Repeating the cycle seems to work for long term fat loss (not just weight loss (recomping)) and fairly easy maintenance. Also a discussion about long chain saturated fatty acids (meat & dairy) and common inflammatory responses to these that affect fat loss and brain health.
Best from 40th minute on, as earlier in the program the moderator and Dan often get off on a tangent and the thread gets tangled.2 -
Last hours of Keto Summit free replay! My favorites from memory are:
Eric Westman Troubleshooting through stalling on fat loss on keto.
Catherine Crofts on why testing insulin is so important and probably should be mandatory.
Chris Masterjohn on nutrient density etc.
Also interesting:
Luis Villasenor on fat loss, body comp and training on keto.
Phil Maffetone's on HR and increasing aerobic output on lowcarb.
Honorable mention: Thomas Seyfried and Richard Feinman.
Overall I found the podcasts very variable in info density. Some were Def more actionable than others. It's interesting to note that keto/lowcarb has already diversified into several branches. The experts are very much advocating what works for them personally or in their client demographic. So if you're looking to keto as a therapeutically tool vs cancer, that keto diet and lifestyle looks quite different from a keto tailored for high performance athletic performance. Pure fat loss without any fixing of underlying health issues sounds like a total other beast as well.
Villasenor on the most difficult challenge with clients: (loosely paraphrased) "They wanna lose weight, but they don't really wanna change their habits." This sums up why I got overweight and why I always have to stay awake concerning my habits if I wanna stay slim over time.
All in all I'm very satisfied with the Keto Summit and learned a lot!
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I also just love Dr. Jason Fung to bits
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canadjineh wrote: »I also just love Dr. Jason Fung to bits
I know right?!?
Have you heard his talk from the 2015 LCHF convention in South Africa? He's dropping F-bombs and everyone just cracks up. Lol
I shouldn't enjoy that as much as I did!3 -
Foamroller wrote: »Last hours of Keto Summit free replay! My favorites from memory are:
Eric Westman Troubleshooting through stalling on fat loss on keto.
Catherine Crofts on why testing insulin is so important and probably should be mandatory.
Chris Masterjohn on nutrient density etc.
Also interesting:
Luis Villasenor on fat loss, body comp and training on keto.
Phil Maffetone's on HR and increasing aerobic output on lowcarb.
Honorable mention: Thomas Seyfried and Richard Feinman.
Overall I found the podcasts very variable in info density. Some were Def more actionable than others. It's interesting to note that keto/lowcarb has already diversified into several branches. The experts are very much advocating what works for them personally or in their client demographic. So if you're looking to keto as a therapeutically tool vs cancer, that keto diet and lifestyle looks quite different from a keto tailored for high performance athletic performance. Pure fat loss without any fixing of underlying health issues sounds like a total other beast as well.
Villasenor on the most difficult challenge with clients: (loosely paraphrased) "They wanna lose weight, but they don't really wanna change their habits." This sums up why I got overweight and why I always have to stay awake concerning my habits if I wanna stay slim over time.
All in all I'm very satisfied with the Keto Summit and learned a lot!
I'll be honest, I learned a lot from Maria Emmerich (I guess I'd never listened to her before for some reason) and Chris Masterjohn, but the research Dr. Catherine Crofts shared about the sincere dangers of continuing high blood sugar scared me to my core. I've struggled with my IR and such, and it seems all the more critical to do things now, before I do any more damage than I already have done...4 -
I agree about the insulin resistance. I have been using fasting more in an attempt to reduce mine. I am sure mine has been high for many, many years and now I have prediabetes and high blood pressure.1
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KnitOrMiss wrote: »Foamroller wrote: »Last hours of Keto Summit free replay! My favorites from memory are:
Eric Westman Troubleshooting through stalling on fat loss on keto.
Catherine Crofts on why testing insulin is so important and probably should be mandatory.
Chris Masterjohn on nutrient density etc.
Also interesting:
Luis Villasenor on fat loss, body comp and training on keto.
Phil Maffetone's on HR and increasing aerobic output on lowcarb.
Honorable mention: Thomas Seyfried and Richard Feinman.
Overall I found the podcasts very variable in info density. Some were Def more actionable than others. It's interesting to note that keto/lowcarb has already diversified into several branches. The experts are very much advocating what works for them personally or in their client demographic. So if you're looking to keto as a therapeutically tool vs cancer, that keto diet and lifestyle looks quite different from a keto tailored for high performance athletic performance. Pure fat loss without any fixing of underlying health issues sounds like a total other beast as well.
Villasenor on the most difficult challenge with clients: (loosely paraphrased) "They wanna lose weight, but they don't really wanna change their habits." This sums up why I got overweight and why I always have to stay awake concerning my habits if I wanna stay slim over time.
All in all I'm very satisfied with the Keto Summit and learned a lot!
I'll be honest, I learned a lot from Maria Emmerich (I guess I'd never listened to her before for some reason) and Chris Masterjohn, but the research Dr. Catherine Crofts shared about the sincere dangers of continuing high blood sugar scared me to my core. I've struggled with my IR and such, and it seems all the more critical to do things now, before I do any more damage than I already have done...
After listening to these wise folks, any suggestions on the most concise pitch to make to a physician who just doesn't want to order insulin tests?
(My docs tend to say, "it won't alter the health plan we already have in place.")0 -
I agree about the insulin resistance. I have been using fasting more in an attempt to reduce mine. I am sure mine has been high for many, many years and now I have prediabetes and high blood pressure.
@batlott the problem with that for me is that apparently with my current adrenal difficulties, ongoing thyroid issues, and ongoing life stresses, apparently fasting was too much stress, as was super restrictive keto, and it actually hurt my health somewhat. It really doesn't help that I'm stubborn, and so rather than reevaluate and find a new path, I tried to force my way through. I didn't adjust and I didn't compensate. So now I'm having to heal before trying again.
So I guess honestly, that is probably my biggest takeaway - try it for 3 months. If you don't get at least most of the expected results, reevaluate, adjust, and try again.
Get testing.
Getting healthy tends to uncover more than just our formerly thin and healthier selves. It unveils the damage we have done along the way.
You cant fight a gunfight with a knife, or vice versa. We need the right tools for the right job. 0 -
After listening to these wise folks, any suggestions on the most concise pitch to make to a physician who just doesn't want to order insulin tests?
(My docs tend to say, "it won't alter the health plan we already have in place.")
OK, so it's another way to measure progress on the "healthy plan we already have in place." Or for me to determine if I need a new doctor!4 -
@RalfLott. I understand your battle in getting the doc to take insulin test. Here the government pays it so the docs are very conservative in taking "unnecessary "tests. But there might be another proxy that could work, besides the symptom of no hunger.
Many of the people who comment on Dr Jason Fung's blog posts are T2D. Often they have good insights. I found this gem buried under there in this post:
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/failure-blood-glucose-paradigm/
Ben Fury September 29, 2016 | Reply
All you need is fasting triglycerides and glucose to guesstimate insulin resistance fairly accurately.
“A novel criterion for identifying metabolically obese but normal weight individuals using the product of triglycerides and glucose”
SH Lee et al, 2015
“The TyG index is a simple marker that correlates well with the degree of insulin resistance measured by hyperinsulinemic-euglycemic clamp studies.”
TyG index Method:
Multiply fasting TG and BG.
Divide by 2
Run Natural Log (ln) [NOT (log)]
Men with values over 8.82 and women with values over 8.73 are most likely to be insulin resistant and have double the chance of developing type 2 diabetes in the future.
Handy PDF with the formula from Dr. Georgia Ede:
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/insulin-resistance-tests.pdf
We're all frontiers in this kind of thing. It's not perfect, but we have to make ado with what we currently got.3
