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  • karllundykarllundy Member Posts: 1,494 Member Member Posts: 1,494 Member
    Elise4270 wrote: »
    Tsk tsk tsk @karllundy That sugar devil got you. The cookies are good. I decided that have too much fiber for me :o DH loves them.

    Yep. They call it poundcake because it packs on the pounds.
  • kimlight2kimlight2 Member Posts: 483 Member Member Posts: 483 Member
    While chocolate is OK, my thing is salty carbs. Pizza, French fries, potato chips etc. Had a fund raiser for J's hockey team Saturday and started off good, half of my big plate was salad, 2 small pieces of cheese pizza, 1/4 cup of pasta salad and a 12oz beer. Then an hour or 2 later I mysteriously ended up with 2 more pieces of pizza and another 1/4 cup of pasta salad. Darn those carbs!!!
  • Elise4270Elise4270 Member Posts: 8,375 Member Member Posts: 8,375 Member
    kimlight2 wrote: »
    While chocolate is OK, my thing is salty carbs. Pizza, French fries, potato chips etc. Had a fund raiser for J's hockey team Saturday and started off good, half of my big plate was salad, 2 small pieces of cheese pizza, 1/4 cup of pasta salad and a 12oz beer. Then an hour or 2 later I mysteriously ended up with 2 more pieces of pizza and another 1/4 cup of pasta salad. Darn those carbs!!!

    Haha! I'm on a no pizza restriction. I can not count the calories accurately so I'm not allowed to have it until I can log the calories properly. Same with corn chips. :wink:
  • shanabershanaber Member Posts: 6,004 Member Member Posts: 6,004 Member
    I rarely eat chips and I don't buy them because my husband would just eat them all and he doesn't need them. I do the same with sodas. If he wants them he can go to the store and buy them - he won't and so by default he doesn't eat them much either :wink: I do love chips and salsa once in a while - especially if we go to a good Mexican restaurant.
    I also love pizza but unfortunately there is something about it that upsets my stomach - I can eat all the ingredients individually with no issue but put them all together and... so when my husband gets his favorite deep dish pie, I get a salad and have a piece of the crust.
    My weakness is mostly cookies... I won't buy them any longer because I know I don't need them and I don't want all the crap they put in them, but I do still bake them sometimes when I NEED COOKIES :) Then I have a few and freeze the rest. Sometimes I even forget they are there and it is a big surprise and treat to discover them and have one!

    I am doing pretty well with my recovery eating after too much celebration, weekend before last. I am also trying to modestly carb load and hydrate in prep for my race this Sunday.
  • hanlonskhanlonsk Member Posts: 768 Member Member Posts: 768 Member
    Well. Today wasn't great.... but I did pretty well the rest of the work week (tomorrow I have the day off.). My weakness this week seemed to be peanut butter.... which there are way worse weaknesses to have.... now if only all of the peanut butter had come in original form and not occasionally in cookie or candy bar form...
  • Elise4270Elise4270 Member Posts: 8,375 Member Member Posts: 8,375 Member
    @hanlonsk They're must be some thing addictive about peanut butter. My husband has to get up and eat a spoonful every night. Some mornings the are 3-4 spoons in the sink.
    edited July 2017
  • shanabershanaber Member Posts: 6,004 Member Member Posts: 6,004 Member
    Mmmm - peanut butter! I too love it and eat it pretty much every day.
  • girlinahatgirlinahat Member Posts: 2,966 Member Member Posts: 2,966 Member
    I so wish I'd kept up with this thread!!!

    the past three weeks have been -
    on holiday and eating AS IF I was as active as I planned to be, whilst mostly watching Wimbledon (tennis) on television.
    then two weeks of chest infection and cancelling every activity, not feeling much like cooking, trying to have a vegetarian week to get back to eating healthily then realising I really do find my gut feels better with meat, and there is nothing inherently HEALTHIER about vegetarian cooking. (actually plenty of vegetables cooked or salad plus a smattering of meat is probably the best natural diet for me, beans.....just don't taste the same)

    So I've been eating c**p, and drinking red wine and/or rum which seems to slow down the coughing. Not cooking, not being active, and feeling miserable.

    I give myself until Sunday (today is Friday) to snap out of this. I have a mountain of nutritious veggies to do something with (my veg box arrived this morning with more stuff!!!)

    Here's to a healthy weekend, with the odd treat thrown in, because what is life without treats?*



    *I am seeking ways to satisfy the 'treat' aspect of like without food.
  • Elise4270Elise4270 Member Posts: 8,375 Member Member Posts: 8,375 Member
    @girlinahat good luck! I think I also do better with meat in my diet. I think it's a vitamin B12 thing. I have come to really like veggies, I just am not into cooking them. Or cleaning up the potential kitchen mess.

    Hope your weekend is healthy and you kick that infection!
  • 7lenny77lenny7 Member Posts: 3,285 Member Member Posts: 3,285 Member
    Some good stuff here! I could use some accountability myself.

    In March, 2015 I bought a fit bit and started walking. Two months later I started running. By October 2015 I had lost 45 pounds, going from 260 to 215 in a very steady decline. I've been as low as 206, but have never reached my goal. I spike up to 220+ during the Thanksgiving/Christmas period, get it back down in the spring, then it spikes back up to 220+ during the sailing season when my running drops and my alcohol and food consumption increases. Currently sitting at 218. My inability to get to my goal weight is really pissing me off. I did so well to get below 210 then it's like my will power went away.

    I do great for breakfast and lunch. Most suppers are pretty good to. My biggest downfall, by far, is eating at night. I quit weighing my food, and quit logging and next thing I know, I'm full and it's time for bed. I really need to get back to the habits I had when I was losing steadily.

    I'm looking at nutrition for two reason. First, to lose weight. Second, to eat better foods to feel better and perform better.

    My thinking on eating has evolved since I started. The most drastic change my take on fat and carbs. I used to try to get low fat on everything I could. It was the only nutrition value I looked at when buying food, other than total calories. I didn't care about sugar or carbs. I figured if I paid attention to the fat, everything else would fall into place.

    I've swung the other way and am now buying full fat foots and trying to eliminate refined carbs. MFP says I should have 50% of my macro-grams from carbs. I'm going for 30 to 40% carbs and making up the difference with fats. I embrace fats now, particularly when it's paired with a salty strip of meat...like BACON!!!



  • Elise4270Elise4270 Member Posts: 8,375 Member Member Posts: 8,375 Member
    @7lenny7 I've cut quite a carbs out of my diet and replaced them with veggies and coconut fat and switched to grass fed beef. It's been fairly easy and I'm down about 8 pounds. I've recently added a B12 supplement.

    I'm beginning to thing we don't need near the amount of carbs and the USDA recommends, even as runners.
  • shanabershanaber Member Posts: 6,004 Member Member Posts: 6,004 Member
    So today was an exception (picture explanation to follow) but I am eating more carbs and fat than I have before based on the recommendation from the sports nutrition... Now that is not supposed to be sugar junk carbs or potato chip carbs... it is supposed to be 'good' carbs; fruits, whole grain breads, sweet potatoes, even regular potatoes in limited amounts, other whole grains and rice. Pasta is an option too but again, but in limited amounts and whole grain. My macros are supposed to be 150gm carbs, 115gms of protein and 100gms fat. I can get the carbs in pretty easily but a) have a really difficult time eating enough of anything to get that much protein and fat in. She wants me to hit around 2000 calories/day and honestly this last week I haven't even gotten close AND I had ice cream (small amounts) 3-4 evenings. My goal this next week is to get restarted on this again. I did really well before my HM and let it all go by the wayside the last couple of weeks. Today as I said was an exception because my husband did this:
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    I don't even like doughnuts but I had to try some of these... they are from a new place (http://www.sidecardoughnuts.com/) that is fortunately not too near us so he has to drive a ways to get them. I did not eat a whole one but did sample bits from several. My favorite is the lemon poppyseed! There is also cookie dough doughnut sitting in the refrigerator waiting to be tasted and calling me :) Glad I got a good run in today!

    ETA - Yes those 2 on the left are covered in bacon!
    edited August 2017
  • Elise4270Elise4270 Member Posts: 8,375 Member Member Posts: 8,375 Member
    Ohh @shanaber ! Those look awesome! I had regular donuts today. Horrible. DH was a pain, so I took a migraine meds and it just knocked me smooth out. Of course I took it just before a run, am I was just a zombie- hmm, maybe I shoulda chased some people!

    I've called off the wagon. I just started counting calories and not eating right within my calorie goal. I'll start over with ya!
  • MobyCarpMobyCarp Member Posts: 2,927 Member Member Posts: 2,927 Member
    @shanaber - I'd have trouble hitting those macro targets, too. The specified carbs, protein, and fat add up to 1960 calories of your 2000; that's not much wiggle room for imprecise macros. I'd be more comfortable with ranges, and making sure I hit the bottom of the range for fat and protein.

    FWIW, when I was in weight loss mode I had low fat cottage cheese, tuna (canned in water), and baked chicken breast as my go-to sources of lean protein. I ate a lot of almonds to get enough fat. And I never had any problem getting enough carbs. BUT, that was in a system with ranges. I was always near the bottom of the rage for fat grams, and I learned I had to target high in the range for protein grams to be satisfied.

    Now, I set my total calories by what the scale tells me makes the weight trend sideways. Since this is much more than it was in weight loss mode, I just kept the minimum fat grams and protein grams from when I was losing weight. Then I have lots of wiggle room for carbs or more protein/fat.

    And still, I have to steer clear of stuff that looks like your picture. Put it in front of me, and I'll be way over on calories without getting enough protein.
  • RunRachelleRunRunRachelleRun Member Posts: 3,482 Member Member Posts: 3,482 Member
    @7lenny7 I have been the same. I lost 50 lbs staying on track and then seemed to ease up and have had trouble getting to my goal now. I also have switched from low fat to full fat. Thanks for sharing your story.

    @MobyCarp What were your macros or ranges when you were losing? I feel better on higher protein and carbs too and aim for 30% and 40-45% respectively but find it hard to hit the protein target on active days. Carbs are never a problem.

    @shanaber I am so impressed that you sampled rather than ate the donuts. D'oh. I am sure my family wouldn't mind giving me a taste of theirs. I have just never thought to do that.

    I have started doing veggie prep for the last 4 Sundays. It took me 2 hours the first day and yesterday I was down to 50 mins. It gives me enough for 2 huge salads 3-4 days and veggies for 2-3 dinners. They don't stay fresh longer or I would do more. I have been switching to frozen for Thurs-Fri, but I feel better eating the salads.
  • MobyCarpMobyCarp Member Posts: 2,927 Member Member Posts: 2,927 Member
    @RunRachelleRun - IIRC, when I was losing I was using a system that targeted 11%-25% of calories from protein, 20%-35% from fat, and 40%-70% from carbs. I sometimes struggled to get up to the bottom of the range for fat, learned from experience that I needed 20% from protein to be satisfied, and never had any issues with carbs being out of range.

    In maintenance, I'm just using the minimum targets for fat and protein grams that I used in weight loss mode, which will be lower percentages of calories because I need to eat significantly more calories to maintain my weight in marathon training. I have a theory that everyone needs some minimum of fat, protein, and carbs for nutritional balance; but if your calorie allowance is high enough, it doesn't much matter which macro supplies the extra calories you need. People who have a very low calorie allowance may have to be careful to balance things to get all the nutrients they need.
  • shanabershanaber Member Posts: 6,004 Member Member Posts: 6,004 Member
    @RunRachelleRun - I can sample and not eat much of those because I really don't like doughnuts. They are just to sugary sweet for my taste. If I could get them without any glaze or icing I would probably enjoy them more. Yes I am also the one who doesn't like cake or will scrape all the icing off of that too for the same reason :)

    Thanks @MobyCarp - I am finding I need more protein and felt better, fuller when I was eating more. I do use canned chicken (in water) or leftover grilled chicken breast in my salads depending on what we have. I actually bought some cottage cheese too from Costco and then we didn't eat it fast enough and it spoiled. I really need to add it back to my regular shopping list. I am not a huge fan of tuna but I may incorporate it more in my diet. I think I ate too much of it as a kid when my mom was always putting me on a I have been trying to do that with eggs too which I tolerate mostly. I get my fat calories most days from avocados and almond or peanut butter or olive oil in my salad dressing.

  • MobyCarpMobyCarp Member Posts: 2,927 Member Member Posts: 2,927 Member
    @shanaber - Actually, I don't eat much tuna any more. It was attractive in the weight loss phase because it was pretty close to pure protein, and if I bought albacore packed in water I could handle eating out of the can with a fork for lunch. I wanted to pack things that I didn't need to put in the office refrigerator.

    In retirement, without the need to pack things that don't have to be refrigerated, tuna rarely makes it to the top of the "what do I want to eat" list. I do eat a lot of eggs, which have some of the fat I need as well as a modest amount of protein.
  • RunRachelleRunRunRachelleRun Member Posts: 3,482 Member Member Posts: 3,482 Member
    Thanks for the specifics @MobyCarp . Yes, I think the calorie goal makes a huge difference in how easy it is. I can hit my protein with a 1300 goal, but when it's closer to 2000, it's much more difficult.

    @shanaber My husband is the same way. His favourite are the plain sour cream donuts. Not me, I like them all. We only have them once every year or two, but I always eat more than I want, and it's because I want to taste the different ones. I hope I remember to just sample from others next time.
  • shanabershanaber Member Posts: 6,004 Member Member Posts: 6,004 Member
    I saw the nutritionist today and I have to say I am pretty excited... Yes my weight is up about 2 pounds but that increase was all in muscle mass and my body fat went down a percentage point! Visceral fat (stomach and organs) went down 2 points and 4 since my first scan. Not huge changes but moving in the right direction!
    Since I am feeling better she wants me to make one of my runs an interval workout again! She said it is one of the best ways to build muscle and burn fat. I also have homework for the next month: to do better meal/menu planning ahead of time so I don't end up with a snack at lunch or missing it all together. @Elise4270, I may be looking for you to ping (harass) me on my news feed to get it done :lol:
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