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Woman Claims to be a 'Former Lesbian'
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I realize my son has autism and not mental retardation. The word "retard" gets thrown around inappropriately all the time. It is offensive to people who have children with learning differences because people don't know the difference. It has nothing to do with my vocabulary requirements, whatever that means. It has to do with being an offensive word to so many people. Please just tell me why you would use it when you know it to be offensive to a group of people.No!
An autistic child is not retarded. No the word retarded is a real word used to describe all kinds of things not just mentally retarded adults and children...Stop being so overly sensitive that you require every one around you to cater to your vocabulary requirements. I've explained it if you dont understand go back and read it.
Why would you use the word "gay" when you know it to be offensive to a group of people? I just don't get that mentality.
I never said you were racist. You subscribe to the belief that you should be able to use any word you want, regardless if others find it offensive. So, I'm wanting to know where you draw the line.There is not other usage for the racial slur you describe. So that makes no sense. It is funny how people tend to automatically try to make someone a racist if they dont subscribe to their same beliefs. No one brought race into this.0 -
Gay men allow women to become pregnant all the time. In some cases, gay men are very desirable when it comes to fathering a child.Desirable to the eyes does not mean desirable in the evolutionary sense. As a gay man is not a willing baby maker; therefore he cant impregnate a female of the species. When all she desires is to procreate she would not choose a gay man as that will not allow her to become pregnant, hence not desirable.0 -
Ahhh....so, I should probably just stop.As much as I don't see eye to eye with you patti, I believe it's just a trolling attempt
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Are you for real? So, because I have an autistic child and find the word "retarded" offensive, it's because I've failed at being normal? Or because I have an immediate family member who is homosexual and I find the word "gay" offensive it's because I've "wound myself up so tight"? Do you also use racial slurs? I mean, the "n" word is only offensive to those who fail at being normal according to you, right?Its only offensive to those who find it offensive because they have wound themselves so tight they fail at being normal.
As much as I don't see eye to eye with you patti, I believe it's just a trolling attempt
So because I offer an alternative discussion point. One that is at least in this thread unpopular idea;im a troll.Wearing glasses isn't terribly desirable by that standard either there, sport. And yet I wouldn't call you four eyes (in part because I also wear glasses). More importantly, if you found it offensive, I would ask someone to stop using the term because it's disrespectful.
Requiring glasses does not mean its a less then desirable trait. I wasn't born needing glasses. I didn't require glasses until I was in the 4th grade. My degraded sight is due to ready a lot in near dark conditions while growing up. And as such that trait maybe considered desirable as it would suggest one who reads a great deal has a certainly level of desired intelligence0 -
If you have another way to explain it please do so. From the mouths of every person in this thread. Gays are born that way. (genetic) the alternative is?
Any number of environment factors that may come into play. Or possibly even a combination of genetics and environmental factors. For example, there's nothing about your genetic code that pre-destined you to be male. It wound up that way for a number of other reasons.0 -
So because I offer an alternative discussion point. One that is at least in this thread unpopular idea;im a troll.Wearing glasses isn't terribly desirable by that standard either there, sport. And yet I wouldn't call you four eyes (in part because I also wear glasses). More importantly, if you found it offensive, I would ask someone to stop using the term because it's disrespectful.
Requiring glasses does not mean its a less then desirable trait. I wasn't born needing glasses. I didn't require glasses until I was in the 4th grade. My degraded sight is due to ready a lot in near dark conditions while growing up. And as such that trait maybe considered desirable as it would suggest one who reads a great deal has a certainly level of desired intelligence
Uh huh. I'm sure the fact that some families include members who all wear glasses while others include members where no one does is pure coincidence. Keep trying troll. You're an amusing plaything. 0 -
So because I offer an alternative discussion point. One that is at least in this thread unpopular idea;im a troll.
Nope. It's entirely my impression based on your responses. I think you enjoy being condescending and intentionally offensive. I'm sure you respect my right to have that opinion based on the social cues you present in your writing.0 -
Ahhh....so, I should probably just stop.As much as I don't see eye to eye with you patti, I believe it's just a trolling attempt
Unless you plan on having more fun than he is 0 -
I realize my son has autism and not mental retardation. The word "retard" gets thrown around inappropriately all the time. It is offensive to people who have children with learning differences because people don't know the difference. It has nothing to do with my vocabulary requirements, whatever that means. It has to do with being an offensive word to so many people. Please just tell me why you would use it when you know it to be offensive to a group of people.No!
An autistic child is not retarded. No the word retarded is a real word used to describe all kinds of things not just mentally retarded adults and children...Stop being so overly sensitive that you require every one around you to cater to your vocabulary requirements. I've explained it if you dont understand go back and read it.
Why would you use the word "gay" when you know it to be offensive to a group of people? I just don't get that mentality.
I never said you were racist. You subscribe to the belief that you should be able to use any word you want, regardless if others find it offensive. So, I'm wanting to know where you draw the line.There is not other usage for the racial slur you describe. So that makes no sense. It is funny how people tend to automatically try to make someone a racist if they dont subscribe to their same beliefs. No one brought race into this.
Because its not in and of its self offensive its offensive because you have made it offensive. Your vocabulary requirements that you are forcing on others mean nothing. Im not required to hone my vocabulary in a way to be politically correct. If I called you a retard that would be different.Gay men allow women to become pregnant all the time. In some cases, gay men are very desirable when it comes to fathering a child.
Just because they can doesn't mean they will. In natural selection a gay man would not be chosen. He would not be seen as a potential mate because he can not meet the requirements.0 -
If you have another way to explain it please do so. From the mouths of every person in this thread. Gays are born that way. (genetic) the alternative is?
Any number of environment factors that may come into play. Or possibly even a combination of genetics and environmental factors. For example, there's nothing about your genetic code that pre-destined you to be male. It wound up that way for a number of other reasons.
Actually it was all genetic code and my mother living on a farm instead of the city had no bearing on it. either way you still have explained it. Its either genetic or choice.
Its part of your genetic make up or its nurture or choice0 -
If you have another way to explain it please do so. From the mouths of every person in this thread. Gays are born that way. (genetic) the alternative is?
Any number of environment factors that may come into play. Or possibly even a combination of genetics and environmental factors. For example, there's nothing about your genetic code that pre-destined you to be male. It wound up that way for a number of other reasons.
Actually it was all genetic code and my mother living on a farm instead of the city had no bearing on it. either way you still have explained it. Its either genetic or choice.
Its part of your genetic make up or its nurture or choice
See that. Your rudimentary understanding of what an environmental factor is in this context. I can either accept that you're playing ignorant, or you really are ignorant.
You choose. Troll or simpleton.0 -
So because I offer an alternative discussion point. One that is at least in this thread unpopular idea;im a troll.Wearing glasses isn't terribly desirable by that standard either there, sport. And yet I wouldn't call you four eyes (in part because I also wear glasses). More importantly, if you found it offensive, I would ask someone to stop using the term because it's disrespectful.
Requiring glasses does not mean its a less then desirable trait. I wasn't born needing glasses. I didn't require glasses until I was in the 4th grade. My degraded sight is due to ready a lot in near dark conditions while growing up. And as such that trait maybe considered desirable as it would suggest one who reads a great deal has a certainly level of desired intelligence
Uh huh. I'm sure the fact that some families include members who all wear glasses while others include members where no one does is pure coincidence. Keep trying troll. You're an amusing plaything.
So because 2 adults who are well educated promote reading in their family they are more likely to wear glasses. Its a proven fact. Are there some genetic factors in there that contribute to a weaker focal ability. Absolutely Those traits would likely not pass successfully except. Nerds like nerds so they both retain the gene passing it on. See they can procreate and as I said having glasses is not necessarily a negative genetic trait if someone seeks it out. 0 -
You're focusing on me, as in a singular person. I'm talking about words that are known to offend a group of people. Of course you're not "required" to change your vocabulary just to avoid offending people. To me that's just human decency, which I realize not everyone has.Because its not in and of its self offensive its offensive because you have made it offensive. Your vocabulary requirements that you are forcing on others mean nothing. Im not required to hone my vocabulary in a way to be politically correct. If I called you a retard that would be different.0 -
If you have another way to explain it please do so. From the mouths of every person in this thread. Gays are born that way. (genetic) the alternative is?
Any number of environment factors that may come into play. Or possibly even a combination of genetics and environmental factors. For example, there's nothing about your genetic code that pre-destined you to be male. It wound up that way for a number of other reasons.
Actually it was all genetic code and my mother living on a farm instead of the city had no bearing on it. either way you still have explained it. Its either genetic or choice.
Its part of your genetic make up or its nurture or choice
See that. Your rudimentary understanding of what an environmental factor is in this context. I can either accept that you're playing ignorant, or you really are ignorant.
You choose. Troll or simpleton.
Dont you mean retard? It is the next level up from medically retarded.
I chose to simplify it because you still have not answered. I know its difficult because for you to do so would mean you either have to agree that what you have said before is true or you have to confirm that its a choice.
I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle0 -
Wait....what???? What do you mean "the lifestyle"?????I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle0 -
Dont you mean retard? It is the next level up from medically retarded.
I chose to simplify it because you still have not answered. I know its difficult because for you to do so would mean you either have to agree that what you have said before is true or you have to confirm that its a choice.
I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
But if I don't believe you're sincere, I have no reason to give you a sincere response. You've demonstrated that you don't have a regard for actually having a discussion about this by the fact that you're willfully shifting context to suit your own ends with no regard for actually having a productive conversation. (or you're ignorant).
Really all you're doing is the adult version of throwing a temper tantrum here. It's not very constructive. Perhaps you could brush up on your biology instead.0 -
Wait....what???? What do you mean "the lifestyle"?????I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
the same one Evan refers to here but calls something different. Its about changing language to fit the need.RE: Lifestyles and Choices
There is no "homosexual lifestyle." There is a gay sub-culture, certainly, and it was developed out of a necessity of being othered. I just don't think think a difference in the gender of the people who somebody loves/is attracted to/marries/dates, etc, constitutes a different lifestyle.
I still have no reason to believe that people choose to be homosexual. People don't choose to be heterosexual. I have never talked to a single self-identified straight man who said, "I could go either way, but I weighed all the options and decided I liked women." Sexual orientation isn't just about behavior; it's also partly about identity.
and I'm sorry but I'm out for the day. Ill try to check back tomorrow I enjoyed the back and forth.0 -
Wait....what???? What do you mean "the lifestyle"?????I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
He's being a little neurotic by attributing the community or "lifestyle" with attribute of being a "liar." It wouldn't surprise me if he needed some professional help for emotional problems. He probably genuinely has some issues that I shouldn't make fun of, so I won't.0 -
Dont you mean retard? It is the next level up from medically retarded.
I chose to simplify it because you still have not answered. I know its difficult because for you to do so would mean you either have to agree that what you have said before is true or you have to confirm that its a choice.
I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
But if I don't believe you're sincere, I have no reason to give you a sincere response. You've demonstrated that you don't have a regard for actually having a discussion about this by the fact that you're willfully shifting context to suit your own ends with no regard for actually having a productive conversation. (or you're ignorant).
Really all you're doing is the adult version of throwing a temper tantrum here. It's not very constructive. Perhaps you could brush up on your biology instead.
Im sorry you feel that way Evan. I laid it out quit simply. I can refer you to Darwin's theory on evolution if you like a more scientific explanation of Natural selection and how negative and positive traits interact in the evolutionary process.
Additionally the alternative would explain the original posters subject matter. Choice.0 -
I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyleWait....what???? What do you mean "the lifestyle"?????
I guess I'm lost on what you mean by the "hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the (gay) community. What are you talking about?the same one Evan refers to here but calls something different. Its about changing language to fit the need.0 -
Wait....what???? What do you mean "the lifestyle"?????I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
He's being a little neurotic by attributing the community or "lifestyle" with attribute of being a "liar." It wouldn't surprise me if he needed some professional help for emotional problems. He probably genuinely has some issues that I shouldn't make fun of, so I won't.
For a group of people that's supposedly so accepting you sure do throw a lot of stones. But its ok I understand0 -
Dont you mean retard? It is the next level up from medically retarded.
I chose to simplify it because you still have not answered. I know its difficult because for you to do so would mean you either have to agree that what you have said before is true or you have to confirm that its a choice.
I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
But if I don't believe you're sincere, I have no reason to give you a sincere response. You've demonstrated that you don't have a regard for actually having a discussion about this by the fact that you're willfully shifting context to suit your own ends with no regard for actually having a productive conversation. (or you're ignorant).
Really all you're doing is the adult version of throwing a temper tantrum here. It's not very constructive. Perhaps you could brush up on your biology instead.
Im sorry you feel that way Evan. I laid it out quit simply. I can refer you to Darwin's theory on evolution if you like a more scientific explanation of Natural selection and how negative and positive traits interact in the evolutionary process.
Additionally the alternative would explain the original posters subject matter. Choice.
By the same token, you're welcome to do your own research on what environmental factors can affect how animals are born. It's actually fairly simple. I'll even give you a head start. It was at one point theorized, that hormonal changes during pregnancy could result in changes to sexual orientation. It's beyond difficult to actually show a mechanism for that so ti's not really provable, but that would be an environmental factor. You're born with it, you didn't choose it, but it's not genetic either.
Be well.0 -
I believe this is still an accepted theory. No?It was at one point theorized, that hormonal changes during pregnancy could result in changes to sexual orientation. It's beyond difficult to actually show a mechanism for that so ti's not really provable, but that would be an environmental factor. You're born with it, you didn't choose it, but it's not genetic either.0 -
Wait....what???? What do you mean "the lifestyle"?????I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
He's being a little neurotic by attributing the community or "lifestyle" with attribute of being a "liar." It wouldn't surprise me if he needed some professional help for emotional problems. He probably genuinely has some issues that I shouldn't make fun of, so I won't.
For a group of people that's supposedly so accepting you sure do throw a lot of stones. But its ok I understand
I am accepting. I'm just not a saint. If you want to call me out for not accepting someone who I have no doubt would decry me as a deviant and a liar and attempt to explain away any ill-will on his part, feel free 0 -
I believe this is still an accepted theory. No?It was at one point theorized, that hormonal changes during pregnancy could result in changes to sexual orientation. It's beyond difficult to actually show a mechanism for that so ti's not really provable, but that would be an environmental factor. You're born with it, you didn't choose it, but it's not genetic either.
It's definitely still in the running, as far as I'm aware, yes.0 -
I just don't understand how some people, especially ones who call themselves Christians, can hate people for being born a certain way. Discusses me, really.It's definitely still in the running, as far as I'm aware, yes.0 -
jumped the line again.0
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I just don't understand how some people, especially ones who call themselves Christians, can hate people for being born a certain way. Discusses me, really.It's definitely still in the running, as far as I'm aware, yes.
Not you and not all Christians, but unfortunately, for some people, dominionism and exclusion are the essence of "their" "Christianity".0 -
Dont you mean retard? It is the next level up from medically retarded.
I chose to simplify it because you still have not answered. I know its difficult because for you to do so would mean you either have to agree that what you have said before is true or you have to confirm that its a choice.
I dont honestly care either way . I just hate the hyped up bull**** and lies that comes from the community and the lifestyle
But if I don't believe you're sincere, I have no reason to give you a sincere response. You've demonstrated that you don't have a regard for actually having a discussion about this by the fact that you're willfully shifting context to suit your own ends with no regard for actually having a productive conversation. (or you're ignorant).
Really all you're doing is the adult version of throwing a temper tantrum here. It's not very constructive. Perhaps you could brush up on your biology instead.
Im sorry you feel that way Evan. I laid it out quit simply. I can refer you to Darwin's theory on evolution if you like a more scientific explanation of Natural selection and how negative and positive traits interact in the evolutionary process.
Additionally the alternative would explain the original posters subject matter. Choice.
This guy, Richard Dawkins, is an Evolutionary Biologist. He explains here how the so called 'gay gene' has survived evolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0&feature=related 0 -
Sorry, but being gay has nothing to do with our ability to reproduce. I know plenty of gay people who have biologically-related children.If its not a choice than you are nothing more that a less desirable genetic trait that is doomed to pass and not be carried on...That in itself is not a good thing. It is natural selection. A member of species that can not reproduce is not able to contribute to the gene pool.
It's funny that it's ok to say, that's so gay! in a pejorative way and claim that it's got nothing to do with homosexuality, but if someone were to use the word black or jewish then that would automatically be seen as racist/anti-Semitic without question.
Just because you personally don't find a word offensive, doesn't mean it's not offensive.0
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