Chick-Fila
Turtlehurdle
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Why are people freaking out about Chick-fila? There is a restaurant in South Carolina who's owner is openly racist! Anyone heard of Maurice's BBQ? So, it's ok to be hateful towards African Americans but not ok to hate on homosexuals because that restaurant is fully operational. Sometimes, I think this people are crazy. Btw, I don't condone either.
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It is absolutely insane today in Indiana.
http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/local/restaurant-chain-has-many-show-support
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-chickfila-locations-packed-as-christians-show-support-for-company-20120801,0,4738473.column
I hate to say it but after all the comments I've seen. I completely give up on trying to restore my Christian faith. Most of the Christians supporting them are saying their freedom of speech is being violated. I don't agree. No one is telling them they can't express their opinion but many are disagreeing with it. Chik-fil-a says they aren't homophobic but have donated $ 5 million to anti-gay hate "charities" in the past few years....
I pointed out that chickens are one of many animal species that engage in homosexual behavior. Yep, they serve gay chicken.0 -
Not only that, I'm pretty sure I've heard that Geico lizard use the term "Hymie."0
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While I don't agree with Chick-fil-a, I support any privately owned business to serve whoever they want or express any opinion they choose.
If a private business offends me, I don't ptronize that business, but I defend their right to express themselves.0 -
Not only that, I'm pretty sure I've heard that Geico lizard use the term "Hymie."
*smooshie boob hug*
Wait...uh...I mean...firm, manly handshake.
Why does the second of those sound so...hmmm.0 -
Buying chick-fil-a today while simultaneously saying that you support gay people is like me donating money to Karl Rove's Super PAC and then claiming that I'm supporting the First Amendment even though I don't approve of what he says.
It's not like you're donating to a Save The 1st Amendment fund.0 -
I can't say where I stand on this until I have heard the Orange Julius position.0
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My biggest problem with it is the Mayors of Boston, Chicago and San Fransico (and perhaps others, but these are the only ones I know of for sure) stating that because of Truitt's comments they can no longer expand in those cities because Chik-fil-A does not reflect those cities ideals (which is wrong in and of itself).
As far as the money the company donates to certian causes, it's not really all that much when you think about it... it's $5 mil over the course of 7 years... those fighting for/against Prop 8 spent way more money each...
But people have the right to patron, or not, an establishment for whatever reason... if you don't like them donating to Focus on the Family and Fellowship for Christian Athletes, then don't go there... it's that simple...
With all that said, I am going to nom on my chikfila nuggets with polynesian sauce... while browsing (and most likely buying from) JC Penney... I worry less about what their stance is on social issues and more about their product line and customer service... but then I am also not easily swayed by propoganda and will vote based on my conscience.0 -
Chic-Fil-A is hiding behind the premise of freedom of speech and Christianity. I was recently educated and with just a little research found that Chic-Fil-A does support programs that promote hate or homophobia. Sorry, but even though they're Chriatians, I cannot support that.0
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Guys, every location is a franchise. The owner is a douche but the franchise owners didn't do anything wrong.
The owner should have known his comments would be polarizing, and would be likely to hurt the economic prospects of his franchisees. For that, and for his bigotry, I think he's a ****. He hurt the business of a whole lot of franchise owners with his unnecessary commentary.
I have never eaten at a Chick Fil-a, just because they aren't that common in my area. During the weekend, my sister wanted to go, so I went. I had a mediocre chicken sandwich, just what I expected from a fast food joint. The fries were nice. I guess.
I won't go out of my way to find a Chick Fil-a again, but it has nothing to do with anyone's politics.0 -
While I don't agree with Chick-fil-a, I support any privately owned business to serve whoever they want or express any opinion they choose.
If a private business offends me, I don't ptronize that business, but I defend their right to express themselves.
Agreed. If I go to a Chick Fil A and they said "We don't like Hispanics because they're taking all our agricultural and landscaping jobs", but still choose to buy those awesome milk shakes because they're not denying me my food, that's my business. Now if they outright tell me, "sorry, we don't serve sp!cs, please leave the premesis", different story. Good ole consumerism. It's nice to be able to choose. When gov't gets involved in what private businesses get to open where, it's kinda like socialism no? Regardless, Chick Fil A, whether you love em or hate em, are making millions today.0 -
Guys, every location is a franchise. The owner is a douche but the franchise owners didn't do anything wrong.
The owner should have known his comments would be polarizing, and would be likely to hurt the economic prospects of his franchisees. For that, and for his bigotry, I think he's a ****. He hurt the business of a whole lot of franchise owners with his unnecessary commentary.
I have never eaten at a Chick Fil-a, just because they aren't that common in my area. During the weekend, my sister wanted to go, so I went. I had a mediocre chicken sandwich, just what I expected from a fast food joint. The fries were nice. I guess.
I won't go out of my way to find a Chick Fil-a again, but it has nothing to do with anyone's politics.
I'm not sure that it matters if they're a franchise. Continued support of their brand, in a general way, just aids the owner's use of money that goes to homophobic institutions.0 -
If I boycotted every business that did something I didn't agree with I would be naked and have nothing to eat.0
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If I boycotted every business that did something I didn't agree with I would be naked and have nothing to eat.
If I didn't boycott a business that spends money on conversion therapy that should be classified as torture, I'd have trouble sleeping. Thankfully we don't live an all-or-nothing-world. I don't imagine you have much trouble sleeping regardless.0 -
Consumers have power. I'm exercising it by choosing no longer to eat there. I eat there a few times a year, and obviously ate there more when I worked for them years ago...but never again will they get any of my money. It's their right to be hateful, and it's my right to not be a part of that.0
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Consumer power is right on and it doesn't matter that they're franchises - aren't normal fees like 5-8% of sales + the huge up front lump sum?
Plus, MSG gives me headaches!
ETA - 50%?! I hope this is wrong (even though it's a $5k buy in):
http://franchises.about.com/od/franchisereviews/fr/chick-fil-a.htm
This one says 50% gross sales, 15% net profit:
http://www.franchisedirect.com/foodfranchises/chick-fil-a-franchise-07431/ufoc/0 -
The owners of Chick Fila can go **** themselves. How in the hell can someone be so concerned with their freedom of speech (which I agree they have) and then openly support taking a huge dump on other americans civil liberties by donating money to anti-gay groups? And don't give me this " oh we aren't anti-homosexual, we are just pro-traditional marriage!" bull crap. It's a false dichotomy. No one is challenging traditional marriage. Straights still have all their choices while the homosexuals are having their choice of marriage taken from them. Straights are free not to have gay sex, not gay marry, not perform gay wedding ceremonies in their churches and so on. Not one straight persons rights are violated by gay marriage. It's bull****.
Next, it was dumb dumb dumb business. Sorry to say this, but healthy eating gays and liberals make up a lot of their customers. I personally ate at Prick Fila all the time before this horse crap. Looks like now they are going to have to deep frying twinkies to make back that money from the good ole boys who hate them queers!
I could careless what their christian faith entails if they give me some good chicken sandwiches. However, I will not tolerate someone using their faith as a weapon to fund government policies to trample on minority rights.0 -
There is a restaurant in South Carolina who's owner is openly racist! Anyone heard of Maurice's BBQ? So, it's ok to be hateful towards African Americans but not ok to hate on homosexuals because that restaurant is fully operational. Sometimes, I think this people are crazy. Btw, I don't condone either.
No, I've never heard of Maurice's BBQ. Googling a little, I see that he has lost a lot of business because of his vocal views on race issues. For one, Walmart and Sam's Club have stopped carrying his BBQ sauce.
I don't condone either, either. I'd guess the Chick-fil-a business is bigger news right now because (a) it's a national chain and (b) the CEO has gone out of his way to make it an issue.0 -
I actually love the food at Chic-Fil-A. My first job was there when I was 16. I enjoy taking the kids to eat in a place that plays Christian music. I respect them from remaining closed on Sundays. I even respect their right to take a stand on "traditional family values". With that said, I did lose some respect when I saw the associations they've made. Exodus and conversion therapy? Come on. I will exercise my right to eat elsewhere and speak out on why.
For any of my Christian/Cathiolic friends: This shouldn't be any different than my refusal to support Susan G. Komen foundation because of its association with Planned Parenthood.0 -
If I boycotted every business that did something I didn't agree with I would be naked and have nothing to eat.
If I didn't boycott a business that spends money on conversion therapy that should be classified as torture, I'd have trouble sleeping. Thankfully we don't live an all-or-nothing-world. I don't imagine you have much trouble sleeping regardless.
I just find it humorous that people can get worked up over some issues while they wear clothing made by exploited workers, eat food produced by exploited workers, eat food created while mistreating animals, etc, etc... I guess you pick your battles
I also find it ridiculous that anyone would suggest a person that eats a box of chicken nuggets is against gay rights.0 -
If I boycotted every business that did something I didn't agree with I would be naked and have nothing to eat.
If I didn't boycott a business that spends money on conversion therapy that should be classified as torture, I'd have trouble sleeping. Thankfully we don't live an all-or-nothing-world. I don't imagine you have much trouble sleeping regardless.
I just find it humorous that people can get worked up over some issues while they wear clothing made by exploited workers, eat food produced by exploited workers, eat food created while mistreating animals, etc, etc... I guess you pick your battles
I also find it ridiculous that anyone would suggest a person that eats a box of chicken nuggets is against gay rights.
To your last statement, I think it's an issue of whether or not they know where they're money is going. If the consumer does know that CFA gives money to anti-gay organizations, then yes, they're literally saying it's ok with them that the company is spending whatever small fraction of their $3.50 on making life harder for the LGBT community. In that sense, that knowing consumer is against gay rights. It's not ridiculous at all.
If the consumer is ignorant, then there's no way to tell if they're against gay rights or not.
EDIT: We can compare it to people who are vegetarian for moral reasons. Now, I know that animals are mistreated by our food industry. Killing them doesn't bother me, but torturing them does. Yet I don't take the time to make sure that the meat I eat is killed humanely or that the restaurants I go to keep that in mind. Someone who feels strongly about this probably finds that contemptible. They're allowed. I feel kind of guilty about it, but not guilty enough to change my behavior. It's kind of the same situation here. I hold people in contempt who would knowingly give this company money when I know they're going to use it against me (in general way). They probably don't care.
Now, contrasting the two, I'd like to think that my civil rights are a more important issue than animal treatment by the meat industry, but I suspect a cow would disagree with me.0 -
Regarding social justice issues: I won't buy a certain brand of clothing if I've been given information and supporting data that the clothes are made by exploited workers. I won't buy meat from a place that I've been made aware purchases from slaughterhouses. I won't ever buy a puppy from a pet store or backyard breeder. I'm sure there are other people the same way.I just find it humorous that people can get worked up over some issues while they wear clothing made by exploited workers, eat food produced by exploited workers, eat food created while mistreating animals, etc, etc... I guess you pick your battles
I also find it ridiculous that anyone would suggest a person that eats a box of chicken nuggets is against gay rights.0 -
The owners of Chick Fila can go **** themselves. How in the hell can someone be so concerned with their freedom of speech (which I agree they have) and then openly support taking a huge dump on other americans civil liberties by donating money to anti-gay groups? And don't give me this " oh we aren't anti-homosexual, we are just pro-traditional marriage!" bull crap. It's a false dichotomy. No one is challenging traditional marriage. Straights still have all their choices while the homosexuals are having their choice of marriage taken from them. Straights are free not to have gay sex, not gay marry, not perform gay wedding ceremonies in their churches and so on. Not one straight persons rights are violated by gay marriage. It's bull****.
Next, it was dumb dumb dumb business. Sorry to say this, but healthy eating gays and liberals make up a lot of their customers. I personally ate at Prick Fila all the time before this horse crap. Looks like now they are going to have to deep frying twinkies to make back that money from the good ole boys who hate them queers!
I could careless what their christian faith entails if they give me some good chicken sandwiches. However, I will not tolerate someone using their faith as a weapon to fund government policies to trample on minority rights.
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Why are people freaking out about Chick-fila? There is a restaurant in South Carolina who's owner is openly racist! Anyone heard of Maurice's BBQ? So, it's ok to be hateful towards African Americans but not ok to hate on homosexuals because that restaurant is fully operational. Sometimes, I think this people are crazy. Btw, I don't condone either.
is that what you really take away from this? Chik fil a is a national chain...nobody has heard of Maruices. thats why this is in the news.0 -
If I boycotted every business that did something I didn't agree with I would be naked and have nothing to eat.
If I didn't boycott a business that spends money on conversion therapy that should be classified as torture, I'd have trouble sleeping. Thankfully we don't live an all-or-nothing-world. I don't imagine you have much trouble sleeping regardless.
I just find it humorous that people can get worked up over some issues while they wear clothing made by exploited workers, eat food produced by exploited workers, eat food created while mistreating animals, etc, etc... I guess you pick your battles
I also find it ridiculous that anyone would suggest a person that eats a box of chicken nuggets is against gay rights.
I no longer mind the hypocrisy. Worrying about the contradictions in my own life at one time stopped me from speaking out and being active UNTIL i realized that hey, wait a minute! I had no choice in the economic and political system and social structure I was born in to. I take the benefits of this situation and, as I learn about each explotation, I can use those same benefits to do all within my power to encourage appropriate change. There is no longer any reason to fear hypocrisy - we are all tainted. Doesn't give us any excuse to wallow in it, though.
As for Schtick Fil A-a-a, they are as obnoxious as that Christian Baptist group from Kansas that attends many military funerals, disrupts them, and grieves the families of the deceased. No one can stop these hateful Kansas Bible-thumpers because this is America and free speech rules. But that Kansas group is very small. . .extremely small. They are for the most part shunned. Hell, even Bill OReilly condemns them.
But I haven't heard anyone from Fox News come down on the plucked chick fillet. Why not? isn't the Chick Fil A speech bordering dangerously on hate? I just remember Matthew Shepard and cringe at crap like this. Clearly we Americans have our sacred double cows....I mean, chicks!
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I would never eat there only because of the name. It has to be one of the stupidest names and most ridiculous logos in the history of restaurant franchises. I had only heard the name a few times in the past before this story came up. I was shocked to find out it was a real restaurant. I had always thought it was a joke name.0
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I just find it humorous that people can get worked up over some issues while they wear clothing made by exploited workers, eat food produced by exploited workers, eat food created while mistreating animals, etc, etc... I guess you pick your battles
It was the CEO of Chick-Fil-A that fired the first shot in this battle. He could have prayed quietly in his room till kingdom come, but he chose to pray on the streetcorners to make himself seen by men.0 -
There is a restaurant in South Carolina who's owner is openly racist! Anyone heard of Maurice's BBQ? So, it's ok to be hateful towards African Americans but not ok to hate on homosexuals because that restaurant is fully operational. Sometimes, I think this people are crazy. Btw, I don't condone either.
No, I've never heard of Maurice's BBQ. Googling a little, I see that he has lost a lot of business because of his vocal views on race issues. For one, Walmart and Sam's Club have stopped carrying his BBQ sauce.
I don't condone either, either. I'd guess the Chick-fil-a business is bigger news right now because (a) it's a national chain and (b) the CEO has gone out of his way to make it an issue.
Actually, he didn't go out of his way to make it an issue... he was asked his opinion in niche media... first from a publication that is only distributed among southern baptist churches... and the other on a christian radio program... Not exactly the widest of audiences... He didn't go on the Today show or Rachel Maddow's show and start spouting his mouth off. And it was Mike Huckabee that started the Chik-fil-a appreciation day.0 -
Why are people freaking out about Chick-fila? There is a restaurant in South Carolina who's owner is openly racist! Anyone heard of Maurice's BBQ? So, it's ok to be hateful towards African Americans but not ok to hate on homosexuals because that restaurant is fully operational. Sometimes, I think this people are crazy. Btw, I don't condone either.
is that what you really take away from this? Chik fil a is a national chain...nobody has heard of Maruices. thats why this is in the news.
No, but I would think that if people are so passionate about one chain then maybe people should practice what they preach and go after all the chains (because Maurice's is also a chain restaurant) who are either racist, against gays, against Hispanics, against Jews, against Arabs, etc. Unfortunately, I give this debacle another 3-4 days before it dies down...0 -
There is a big difference between CFA and WBC, though. I've not seen any actions on the part of CFA that remotely resemble the ones done by WBC. My biggest issue with CFA is the financial associations they've made.As for Schtick Fil A-a-a, they are as obnoxious as that Christian Baptist group from Kansas that attends many military funerals, disrupts them, and grieves the families of the deceased. No one can stop these hateful Kansas Bible-thumpers because this is America and free speech rules. But that Kansas group is very small. . .extremely small. They are for the most part shunned. Hell, even Bill OReilly condemns them.0 -
In the age of the internet, there is no such thing as "niche media." If Dan Cathy thought what's said on Christian radio stays on Christian radio, he's a bigger idiot than I assumed.0
