Form critique thread, post your videos here.

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  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    Why the pop at the top? If youre going for that type of pull Id say get bumpers and drop the weight after your pull. The quick switch in direction Ive always felt puts you at risk for injury. Hold it at the top for a count or two.

    For leg drive think about pulling yourself down into position. That also takes the slack out of the bar. Best example of that imo is bolton: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNvONtw-94g
    I guess to make sure I was really squeezing my glutes at the top? My husband calls it my "high school powerlifter" finish. :tongue: I've actually gotten rid of that in the last week or so, too, thanks to form correction from Belle of the Bar on FB. When I pull at home, I do use bumpers, but we don't have bumpers at the gym at work, despite being a world-class athletic facility. :grumble:

    I'm afraid simply watching that video isn't very enlightening (for me). To me it just looks like he's bouncing his butt up and down. Watching other people do it right never helps me learn how to do it right. :embarassed: Everybody has a different learning style; some people are auditory learners, some learn from books. I need a manual to refer to, a lecture, a demonstration and a practical lab walkthrough! That kinda makes me sound slow, doesn't it? :laugh: I'm actually very cerebral and nerdy.

    Would pulling yourself down into position mean to tighten everything up at the top so that you're actually resisting getting down into position instead of just falling into position? Because that's what my trainer's been cuing me with. I'm hypermobile and have poor proprioception, so maybe that's why I'm not getting how to put what y'all are saying into practice with my legs.
  • DYELB
    DYELB Posts: 7,407 Member
    I guess to make sure I was really squeezing my glutes at the top? My husband calls it my "high school powerlifter" finish. :tongue: I've actually gotten rid of that in the last week or so, too, thanks to form correction from Belle of the Bar on FB. When I pull at home, I do use bumpers, but we don't have bumpers at the gym at work, despite being a world-class athletic facility. :grumble:

    I'm afraid simply watching that video isn't very enlightening (for me). To me it just looks like he's bouncing his butt up and down. Watching other people do it right never helps me learn how to do it right. :embarassed: Everybody has a different learning style; some people are auditory learners, some learn from books. I need a manual to refer to, a lecture, a demonstration and a practical lab walkthrough! That kinda makes me sound slow, doesn't it? :laugh: I'm actually very cerebral and nerdy.

    Would pulling yourself down into position mean to tighten everything up at the top so that you're actually resisting getting down into position instead of just falling into position? Because that's what my trainer's been cuing me with. I'm hypermobile and have poor proprioception, so maybe that's why I'm not getting how to put what y'all are saying into practice with my legs.

    Without bumpers, pause for a second or so at the top of your pull, should negate the hs pl finish.

    The bouncing his but up and down is almost like a mini deadlift. He's got 1003 on the bar, each of those 'bounces' he's probably pulling up with 4-600 pounds of force. What that does is take the flex out of the bar (this is important because if you just pull on the first go and the bar is heavy, you'll pull and the bar will flex, but then once the weight gets off the ground it can bounce or wobble or whatever. This makes the lift harder. Having the bar already flexed when you start the lift mitigates this somewhat.

    In addition to pulling the slack out of the bar, when you pull up on the bar (but not quite enough to lift it yet) you can basically pull yourself down into position. This gets you tighter and helps with the set. I'm not saying you have to bounce your butt up and down every time you do pulls, but rather that you should already be pulling up on the bar before you start the actual lift.
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
    So I recently switched to Sumo style deadlift.
    I'm not necessarily looking for critique on my conventional DL but here is what I'm guessing is going to be my last conventional DL (5x265)
    http://youtu.be/cy7-v2BHLVw
    After that my low back was sore and I started looking into Sumo style. I found out my body was more suited for sumo, average torso, shorter arms.
    http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/choosing-conventional-or-sumo-based-on-your-bone-structure/
    table21.jpg
    I was scared to try Sumo at 270 according to plan so I stopped at 255. I'd like to get some feedback on my Sumo form and plan to get 275 this week. This was also my first time with an alternating grip. I noticed I did struggle a little with keeping the bar level (4th rep). I may go back to a "regular" grip. Since I started using chalk I haven't noticed my grip strength being a week point.
    So, please take a look and tell me what you think. I felt great during and afterwards.
    http://youtu.be/Qslsw2fz5xw
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    So I recently switched to Sumo style deadlift.
    I'm not necessarily looking for critique on my conventional DL but here is what I'm guessing is going to be my last conventional DL (5x265)
    http://youtu.be/cy7-v2BHLVw
    After that my low back was sore and I started looking into Sumo style. I found out my body was more suited for sumo, average torso, shorter arms.
    http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/choosing-conventional-or-sumo-based-on-your-bone-structure/
    table21.jpg
    I was scared to try Sumo at 270 according to plan so I stopped at 255. I'd like to get some feedback on my Sumo form and plan to get 275 this week. This was also my first time with an alternating grip. I noticed I did struggle a little with keeping the bar level (4th rep). I may go back to a "regular" grip. Since I started using chalk I haven't noticed my grip strength being a week point.
    So, please take a look and tell me what you think. I felt great during and afterwards.
    http://youtu.be/Qslsw2fz5xw

    Well, I'm not much for sumo so I won't offer my ill-informed advice there. I just wanted to note, that if you ever want to give conventional a shot again, be sure to post up here looking for some pointers. Let's just say, I can see why your back hurts ;)
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
    hahaha
    Thanks DIU.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    Video is private.

    I might know somebody who can critique and Atlas stone. Feel free to post the vid and I'll see if I can get him in here.
    Here are links to 3/4 front view and side view of a couple of stone lifts I did Sunday. I think I've got this right now. Photobucket links are weird.

    http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad142/Fullsterk_woman/Strongwoman in Action/006_zpsd79923ef.mp4

    http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad142/Fullsterk_woman/Strongwoman in Action/007_zps8a7b433c.mp4
  • lilawolf
    lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
    Squat form check please! This was my last set so I was tired. The second rep was definitely too far forward so please focus on the first and last.

    THANKS!!!

    http://youtu.be/MUmPw8GM-Vo
  • DYELB
    DYELB Posts: 7,407 Member
    Squat form check please! This was my last set so I was tired. The second rep was definitely too far forward so please focus on the first and last.

    THANKS!!!

    http://youtu.be/MUmPw8GM-Vo

    Try angling your right foot out just a little bit more.

    Also try dropping the weight some (like 95 pounds) and doing squats with your heels on 2.5 pound weights and see how that feels.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    Wow, those pointers really made a difference! I pulled 220 sumo on 12/28; I just pulled 225 conventional! And I got 230 off the ground and about halfway to my knees.

    Thanks to you both, SideSteel and DYELB! :love:
  • DYELB
    DYELB Posts: 7,407 Member
    Wow, those pointers really made a difference! I pulled 220 sumo on 12/28; I just pulled 225 conventional! And I got 230 off the ground and about halfway to my knees.

    Thanks to you both, SideSteel and DYELB! :love:

    Nice job!
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
    So I recently switched to Sumo style deadlift.
    I'm not necessarily looking for critique on my conventional DL but here is what I'm guessing is going to be my last conventional DL (5x265)
    http://youtu.be/cy7-v2BHLVw
    After that my low back was sore and I started looking into Sumo style. I found out my body was more suited for sumo, average torso, shorter arms.
    http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/choosing-conventional-or-sumo-based-on-your-bone-structure/
    table21.jpg
    I was scared to try Sumo at 270 according to plan so I stopped at 255. I'd like to get some feedback on my Sumo form and plan to get 275 this week. This was also my first time with an alternating grip. I noticed I did struggle a little with keeping the bar level (4th rep). I may go back to a "regular" grip. Since I started using chalk I haven't noticed my grip strength being a week point.
    So, please take a look and tell me what you think. I felt great during and afterwards.
    http://youtu.be/Qslsw2fz5xw
    Still hoping for a Sumo critique.
  • DYELB
    DYELB Posts: 7,407 Member
    So I recently switched to Sumo style deadlift.
    I'm not necessarily looking for critique on my conventional DL but here is what I'm guessing is going to be my last conventional DL (5x265)
    http://youtu.be/cy7-v2BHLVw
    After that my low back was sore and I started looking into Sumo style. I found out my body was more suited for sumo, average torso, shorter arms.
    http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/choosing-conventional-or-sumo-based-on-your-bone-structure/
    table21.jpg
    I was scared to try Sumo at 270 according to plan so I stopped at 255. I'd like to get some feedback on my Sumo form and plan to get 275 this week. This was also my first time with an alternating grip. I noticed I did struggle a little with keeping the bar level (4th rep). I may go back to a "regular" grip. Since I started using chalk I haven't noticed my grip strength being a week point.
    So, please take a look and tell me what you think. I felt great during and afterwards.
    http://youtu.be/Qslsw2fz5xw
    Still hoping for a Sumo critique.

    Your first rep is different than the others, because your *kitten* is lower than subsequent reps, and I think that's what causes that painful looking lurch forward at the start of the first rep.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioo4LKjwQfg
  • lilawolf
    lilawolf Posts: 1,690 Member
    Squat form check please! This was my last set so I was tired. The second rep was definitely too far forward so please focus on the first and last.

    THANKS!!!

    http://youtu.be/MUmPw8GM-Vo

    Try angling your right foot out just a little bit more.

    Also try dropping the weight some (like 95 pounds) and doing squats with your heels on 2.5 pound weights and see how that feels.

    Because my heels are just starting to lift off the ground? Thank you for your input. I'll try it tomorrow when I lift again.
  • DYELB
    DYELB Posts: 7,407 Member
    Squat form check please! This was my last set so I was tired. The second rep was definitely too far forward so please focus on the first and last.

    THANKS!!!

    http://youtu.be/MUmPw8GM-Vo

    Try angling your right foot out just a little bit more.

    Also try dropping the weight some (like 95 pounds) and doing squats with your heels on 2.5 pound weights and see how that feels.

    Because my heels are just starting to lift off the ground? Thank you for your input. I'll try it tomorrow when I lift again.

    The angling is because your right knee looks to be caving a bit. the other cue is to spread the floor, but I've found people have an easier time with just changing foot angle a bit.

    For the plates yes, if it helps I'd say either continue doing that or look to get proper squat shoes (and also look to shift your weight to your heels.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    So I recently switched to Sumo style deadlift.
    I'm not necessarily looking for critique on my conventional DL but here is what I'm guessing is going to be my last conventional DL (5x265)
    http://youtu.be/cy7-v2BHLVw
    After that my low back was sore and I started looking into Sumo style. I found out my body was more suited for sumo, average torso, shorter arms.
    http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/choosing-conventional-or-sumo-based-on-your-bone-structure/
    table21.jpg
    I was scared to try Sumo at 270 according to plan so I stopped at 255. I'd like to get some feedback on my Sumo form and plan to get 275 this week. This was also my first time with an alternating grip. I noticed I did struggle a little with keeping the bar level (4th rep). I may go back to a "regular" grip. Since I started using chalk I haven't noticed my grip strength being a week point.
    So, please take a look and tell me what you think. I felt great during and afterwards.
    http://youtu.be/Qslsw2fz5xw
    Still hoping for a Sumo critique.

    Your first rep is different than the others, because your *kitten* is lower than subsequent reps, and I think that's what causes that painful looking lurch forward at the start of the first rep.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioo4LKjwQfg
    I'm not trying to give a critique since I obviously am not in a position to do that, but I want to know if the way I'm watching this is the right way to approach analysis. With the jeans, I can't tell if the bar is against his shins at the start. Looking at his arm in the mirror, it looks to me as if his shoulder might be past the bar. It looks like his shoulders are rounding forward, even the externally-rotated left arm, and looks like maybe the legs are not fully locked out when the bar clears the knee, like described in the video. And I would personally find it much more comfortable to have my neck more neutral rather than aggressively extended.

    ETA: I just watched the video at 0.25 speed, and the bar definitely rolls forward on the first pull, the hips shoot up first on most reps, the knees are not fully extended until the bar is well past them and there's a gap between his legs and the bar.
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
    Thanks for the input. I think I'll hold off upping the weight til my form improves.
    Thanks again, I really appreciate anyone taking the time to watch and comment.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    So I recently switched to Sumo style deadlift.
    I'm not necessarily looking for critique on my conventional DL but here is what I'm guessing is going to be my last conventional DL (5x265)
    http://youtu.be/cy7-v2BHLVw
    After that my low back was sore and I started looking into Sumo style. I found out my body was more suited for sumo, average torso, shorter arms.
    http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/choosing-conventional-or-sumo-based-on-your-bone-structure/
    table21.jpg
    I was scared to try Sumo at 270 according to plan so I stopped at 255. I'd like to get some feedback on my Sumo form and plan to get 275 this week. This was also my first time with an alternating grip. I noticed I did struggle a little with keeping the bar level (4th rep). I may go back to a "regular" grip. Since I started using chalk I haven't noticed my grip strength being a week point.
    So, please take a look and tell me what you think. I felt great during and afterwards.
    http://youtu.be/Qslsw2fz5xw
    Still hoping for a Sumo critique.

    I'd like to see your sumo from a side view if possible. It looks to me like you need to get a bit closer to the barbell in your setup.

    EDIT: Having watched it a few more times, I would definitely change your setup before changing anything else. Get all the way up to the barbell in the stance and when you drop down to grab the bar, drive the knees out and drop your junk straight down onto the barbell rather than hinging at the waist to "bend over" to grab the bar.

    Do this and re-shoot please. You're significantly out of position from the get go on the above sumo vid, in my opinion.
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
    Will do SS. I think you are right. My next DL will be Friday or Sat. I'll wear shorts. .. And maybe shin guards. My shins are tore up from conventional DL.
    A coworker that pulls sumo told me to really think about pulling back along the shins rather than up and worrying about scraping myshins.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Will do SS. I think you are right. My next DL will be Friday or Sat. I'll wear shorts. .. And maybe shin guards. My shins are tore up from conventional DL.
    A coworker that pulls sumo told me to really think about pulling back along the shins rather than up and worrying about scraping myshins.

    Getting closer to the bar and dropping your man parts straight down onto the bar in the setup will put you in a better position to spread the floor and pull back, IMO. Currently it looks like there's a big gap between your legs and the bar which is poor for leverage and probably also what could be causing some of the other form issues.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    Will do SS. I think you are right. My next DL will be Friday or Sat. I'll wear shorts. .. And maybe shin guards. My shins are tore up from conventional DL.
    A coworker that pulls sumo told me to really think about pulling back along the shins rather than up and worrying about scraping myshins.
    I think pulling the bar back with lat engagement directly led to my PR last night. My physical therapist prescribed me to do sort of a wall-sit while pushing my arms back against the wall as hard as I could before each set to help with that activation, because my shoulder girdle is all jacked up. My trainer also cues it like if he had his hands in my armpits and I'm going to squeeze down on them and not let him pull them out. Maybe one of those will help you with pulling the bar back.

    I think the shin guards are gonna mess your form up, whether they protect your shins or not. People swear by baby powder. I personally wear tights under basketball shorts for my gym outfit; maybe you could try running tights? Men wear those too! And then, in addition to wearing tights, I just accept that I'm gonna have bruised legs all the time. At least I got my hands on some Zoombang armor pads for my thighs so the Atlas stones aren't bruising me anymore!