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Yeah I think I have said this before and I am very argumentative.
Generally speaking though, if I become irrational I am usually good at fessing up to it.
How has that played out with women?
I'm not that argumentative. I'm more analytical and collaborative. Rarely will I raise my voice. My style isn't really to get in verbal fights. I will defend myself when appropriate but I try to do it in a even keeled sort of way.
There are plenty of people in here who I have not seen eye to eye with on numerous occasions.
hahahahah Sadly probably in my favor.
Apparently irrational behavior can sometimes be interpreted
as taking control of the situation, and what woman
doesn't love it when a man "takes control" hahahaha
I try to be logical with my arguments, and to be honest as you said I
probably wouldn't have raised a stink if I had understood that you were
not dismissing me, you actually meant we have an economist
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Well I am glad that there are people who do actually care about our economic state then.
We have a toxic stew cooking right now that extends beyond partisanship.
A trillion plus per year of new debt projected
QE that is increasing the money supply by 40 billion a month if I understand it.
Deceptively being fed into the economy by guaranteed mortgage underwriting which seems to be an attempt to reignite a housing bubble and encourage folks to treat their homes as an ATM.
Energy policies that have not had a basis in realities for a couple of decades.
The list can go on and on and swings both directions as far as who has failed us.
The can has been kicked down the road for ages but the road is now reaching a dead end.
I am looking at trying to sell property and find a new life which includes a job in the face of this so yeah,economics to me is a high priority.0 -
hahahahah Sadly probably in my favor.
Apparently irrational behavior can sometimes be interpreted
as taking control of the situation, and what woman
doesn't love it when a man "takes control" hahahaha
I try to be logical with my arguments, and to be honest as you said I
probably wouldn't have raised a stink if I had understood that you were
not dismissing me, you actually meant we have an economist
in the group, lol.
Lol, glad things have worked out. Women do get hot when a man takes control.
There are people on here who think I'm rather systematic, but there's a reason I am the way that I am. Everything I do around a woman is done with the purpose to build the attraction, to get her hot.
Being ultra confident is what women want. Going for what you want. I believe in that, but there's an art and balance to it. For example, on all first dates, I want to get to that kiss on the lips as quickly as possible. But there's no way I'm going for a kiss if I haven't set it up methodically because I want to be assured that when I go for it, she's eagerly anticipating it.0 -
hahahahah Sadly probably in my favor.
Apparently irrational behavior can sometimes be interpreted
as taking control of the situation, and what woman
doesn't love it when a man "takes control" hahahaha
I try to be logical with my arguments, and to be honest as you said I
probably wouldn't have raised a stink if I had understood that you were
not dismissing me, you actually meant we have an economist
in the group, lol.
Lol, glad things have worked out. Women do get hot when a man takes control. There are people on here who think I'm rather systematic, but there's a reason I am the way that I am. Everything I do around a woman is done with the purpose to build the attraction, to get her hot.
Being ultra confident is what women want. Going for what you want. I believe in that, but there's an art and balance to it. For example, on all first dates, I want to get to that kiss on the lips as quickly as possible. But there's no way I'm going for a kiss if I haven't set it up methodically because I want to be assured that when I go for it, she's eagerly anticipating it.
DM - I can't even imagine you IRL!! I'd love to hear your non argumentative voice :flowerforyou:
Zach - you seriously need to take a chill pill!!! :laugh: You started two wars here and neither Christine or DM disagreed with you!! :noway: Yes, we all agree that the (world) economy is most important - it's just that there are other life issues that need debating too! Politics is never about ONE issue, it's about 'life' !!
Carl - You're really up on your economics for a farm boy!! Kudos! :smokin:
David - hearing "I have no idea" is the best answer to this argument I've ever heard. :flowerforyou:
Poncho - I'm appalled by that young guy's comment ... WTF? :noway: .............and have much to say on it, however,
I know you're all going to say/think that I shouldn't get involved in American politics, so I'll shut the *kitten* up and back out of this thread with style and grace!!! :laugh:0 -
I know you're all going to say/think that I shouldn't get involved in American politics, so I'll shut the *kitten* up and back out of this thread with style and grace!!! :laugh:
Anna it is always nice to see how people see us from the outside.0 -
The collapse of a unit of currency can produce terrible outcomes. Zimbabwe is the best current example. Post World War I Germany is the classic example. Excessive debt obligations/default on debts have economic consequences. Read about Greece now or Argentina circa 2001.
Before we're treated to a treatise on the coming cannibalism, perhaps we should take a deep breath and get some perspective. Currencies rise and fall all the time. They have to, by definition, since you compare one currency to another. So if one falls, another must rise. And a falling currency has many advantages. For example, a country's products and services become more competitive, internationally, when the currency devalues. Yes, this may cause rising inflation. But there is almost no inflation now in the US, even though people have been screaming about it (incorrectly) for the past four years.
America has huge problems, but the currency ain't one of them. If you want to panic a bit, I'd focus on the rising gap between rich and poor, and the implications of that long term. The rise of big Finance, and how that has impacted our political system (look at the major financiers for both Romney and Obama). Corporate socialism, where large corporations and their overpaid execs are protected and bailed out by taxpayers when times are bad, oftentimes to the tune of trillions of dollars. You can focus on the culture of aggression, where violence is seen as the way to solve most issues. Young Americans entering the workforce for the first time - those lucky enough to find jobs - have never known life without war. It's become so prevalent it's practically a banality. Mothers in Pakistan refuse to send their children to the village school, for fear of them being killed by US drone strikes (which never gets reported in the US, unless it's to repeat state propaganda about us killing "militants"). We spend more on the military than the rest of the world combined, and it's not even a campaign issue (since both major political parties agree). That's obscene, and never questioned.... And so on, and so on.
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Back to the original discussion of the election for a minute... As many of you have probably seen, the news in the past two days has been filled with post-election recaps....blah, blah, blah.... however, one pundit I heard made a point that I thought would be of interest to the group. He said that married people tend to vote republican because they are more stable and singles usually vote democrat. His point was that in the shifting of family units...i.e. more people being single, divorced, having kids outside of marriage, etc. that that is also changing the political landscape. I'm still letting this one swirl in my head so I don't know how I feel yet, but thought I'd ask all of you what you think.0
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And a falling currency has many advantages. For example, a country's products and services become more competitive, internationally, when the currency devalues. Yes, this may cause rising inflation. But there is almost no inflation now in the US, even though people have been screaming about it (incorrectly) for the past four years.
A falling currency can have the advantages you mention. It depends on the price elasticities of imported goods versus exported goods. For the U.S. a weaker dollar means the price of oil increases. Total energy expenditure (including electricity production, natural gas, oil, etc.) is only about 3% of GDP but it has a relatively large multiplier effect as there are no (few) substitutes when the price increases.
As far as inflation, it is fair to say that the CPI measure of inflation has not increased in the last 4 years. However, the CPI includes the costs of housing and it is a large expenditure so it carries a lot of weight in the calculations. The prices of food, energy, health care and retail goods are increasing. It's the just that the increases are offset by declining home values.0 -
Back to the original discussion of the election for a minute... As many of you have probably seen, the news in the past two days has been filled with post-election recaps....blah, blah, blah.... however, one pundit I heard made a point that I thought would be of interest to the group. He said that married people tend to vote republican because they are more stable and singles usually vote democrat. His point was that in the shifting of family units...i.e. more people being single, divorced, having kids outside of marriage, etc. that that is also changing the political landscape. I'm still letting this one swirl in my head so I don't know how I feel yet, but thought I'd ask all of you what you think.
I'd want to see the numbers. Younger people voted Democrat. Younger people are less likely to be married. Could be as simple as that. Again, I'd like to see the numbers first, before commenting further.
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Back to the original discussion of the election for a minute... As many of you have probably seen, the news in the past two days has been filled with post-election recaps....blah, blah, blah.... however, one pundit I heard made a point that I thought would be of interest to the group. He said that married people tend to vote republican because they are more stable and singles usually vote democrat. His point was that in the shifting of family units...i.e. more people being single, divorced, having kids outside of marriage, etc. that that is also changing the political landscape. I'm still letting this one swirl in my head so I don't know how I feel yet, but thought I'd ask all of you what you think.
I'd want to see the numbers. Younger people voted Democrat. Younger people are less likely to be married. Could be as simple as that. Again, I'd like to see the numbers first, before commenting further.
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I agree with you on everything you said. It was just a talking head, so I'm sure they didn't even have numbers to back up their own statement. Just something interesting to think about I guess.0 -
Back to the original discussion of the election for a minute... As many of you have probably seen, the news in the past two days has been filled with post-election recaps....blah, blah, blah.... however, one pundit I heard made a point that I thought would be of interest to the group. He said that married people tend to vote republican because they are more stable and singles usually vote democrat. His point was that in the shifting of family units...i.e. more people being single, divorced, having kids outside of marriage, etc. that that is also changing the political landscape. I'm still letting this one swirl in my head so I don't know how I feel yet, but thought I'd ask all of you what you think.
I'd want to see the numbers. Younger people voted Democrat. Younger people are less likely to be married. Could be as simple as that. Again, I'd like to see the numbers first, before commenting further.
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They say if you're a Republican under 30 you have no heart and if your a Democrat over 30 you have no brain...
I think what disappointed me the most is the word "opportunity" was hardly used throughout this election... I think opportunity is what makes America great. You have one party trying to take opportunity away socially and the other trying to take it away economically.0 -
The prices of food, energy, health care and retail goods are increasing. It's the just that the increases are offset by declining home values. It's the just that the increases are offset by declining home values.
That feels inflationary to most. The rank and file have to put food on the table, get gas to go to work, visit a doctor or dentist and buy other basic retail goods frequently. You can’t eat an iPad.
As for the last part, it is true, but it is a source of humor. Renters always laugh at this because rents always go up.Back to the original discussion of the election for a minute... As many of you have probably seen, the news in the past two days has been filled with post-election recaps....blah, blah, blah.... however, one pundit I heard made a point that I thought would be of interest to the group. He said that married people tend to vote republican because they are more stable and singles usually vote democrat. His point was that in the shifting of family units...i.e. more people being single, divorced, having kids outside of marriage, etc. that that is also changing the political landscape. I'm still letting this one swirl in my head so I don't know how I feel yet, but thought I'd ask all of you what you think.
Yes, this is a very good line of discussion given what this group is all about.
First off, what is the definition of single? Is single completely unattached or is it someone who is unmarried but in a relationship? That may or may not be relevant.
Singles often overlap with young adults. 18-29 is a huge Democrat voting bloc.
I think the shifting of family units is a relevant factor in the change of the political landscape. It probably isn’t the only relevant factor though. Statistical proof is likely out there on how household composition influences political thought.0 -
the american population is becoming more liberal as a whole..... conservative ideals are being tossed out......
when i was married my ex voted democratic, as did his whole family. i'm a registered independent and vote for whomever i agree with most. we are divorced now and i'm sure he still voted democratic. i did not. i am not liberal. i do need stability in my life. i am raising 5 kids, by myself. i don't want to turn to anything gov't subsidized. i want to be self reliant and raise my children to be the same way.
so, i dunno :-)Back to the original discussion of the election for a minute... As many of you have probably seen, the news in the past two days has been filled with post-election recaps....blah, blah, blah.... however, one pundit I heard made a point that I thought would be of interest to the group. He said that married people tend to vote republican because they are more stable and singles usually vote democrat. His point was that in the shifting of family units...i.e. more people being single, divorced, having kids outside of marriage, etc. that that is also changing the political landscape. I'm still letting this one swirl in my head so I don't know how I feel yet, but thought I'd ask all of you what you think.0 -
the american population is becoming more liberal as a whole..... conservative ideals are being tossed out......
when i was married my ex voted democratic, as did his whole family. i'm a registered independent and vote for whomever i agree with most. we are divorced now and i'm sure he still voted democratic. i did not. i am not liberal. i do need stability in my life. i am raising 5 kids, by myself. i don't want to turn to anything gov't subsidized. i want to be self reliant and raise my children to be the same way.
so, i dunno :-)
The problem is the term liberal is undefined here.
The youth I notice (I am a college student) tend to be much more fiscally conservative, while socially liberal,
to me they tend to lean closer to Libertarian values.
EDIT: And also society is changing and shifting in my opinion, our economic situation has caused many people to finally ask the age old question what is the role of government?0 -
the american population is becoming more liberal as a whole..... conservative ideals are being tossed out......
when i was married my ex voted democratic, as did his whole family. i'm a registered independent and vote for whomever i agree with most. we are divorced now and i'm sure he still voted democratic. i did not. i am not liberal. i do need stability in my life. i am raising 5 kids, by myself. i don't want to turn to anything gov't subsidized. i want to be self reliant and raise my children to be the same way.
so, i dunno :-)
The problem is the term liberal is undefined here.
The youth I notice (I am a college student) tend to be much more fiscally conservative, while socially liberal,
to me they tend to lean closer to Libertarian values.
That's a good point. I've lived in conservative areas (read Republican controlled) of Illinois and also in Texas. I would venture to say that most of the people in Republican dominated central Illinois are left on the political spectrum of what would be labeled as a left-wing extremist liberal in the areas of Texas where I lived. Ironically, the former Republican Speaker of the House was from this area (but not this Congressional District) and I don't think any (or many) of those Texas Republicans would have called him a liberal.0 -
well that's my point. i think people are becoming more liberal in general. you find fewer and fewer TRUE conservatives..... fiscally and socially.......
i haven't a clue about college aged kids and their money..... i know i was NOT fiscally conservative in college until i realized that my money tree ( dad) wasn't automatically putting money in my account every month, LOL!!!! but by senior year i was better. but then again, i've never really been what people would call "liberal." even in college.0 -
well that's my point. i think people are becoming more liberal in general. you find fewer and fewer TRUE conservatives..... fiscally and socially.......
i haven't a clue about college aged kids and their money..... i know i was NOT fiscally conservative in college until i realized that my money tree ( dad) wasn't automatically putting money in my account every month, LOL!!!! but by senior year i was better. but then again, i've never really been what people would call "liberal." even in college.
The youth in my opinion are more aware that money doesn't grow on trees,
with this entire situation that is going on.
I am not saying they are economic experts, but many of them i talk to detest
excessive war spending (which is common) but
also excessive government subsidy spending. Also many including myself
start questioning if the government should even offer these programs.
I again, cannot speak for every youth. Keep in mind though, the entire Ron
Paul movement was MANY young people across the board.
The most "die hard liberal" people i find on campus tend to be certain
professors anymore, most the students tend to disagree with their mentality.
Again, just my experience. I am also in the south so, take that into consideration.0 -
well that's my point. i think people are becoming more liberal in general. you find fewer and fewer TRUE conservatives..... fiscally and socially.......
i haven't a clue about college aged kids and their money..... i know i was NOT fiscally conservative in college until i realized that my money tree ( dad) wasn't automatically putting money in my account every month, LOL!!!! but by senior year i was better. but then again, i've never really been what people would call "liberal." even in college.
The youth in my opinion are more aware that money doesn't grow on trees,
with this entire situation that is going on.
I am not saying they are economic experts, but many of them i talk to detest
excessive war spending (which is common) but
also excessive government subsidy spending. Also many including myself
start questioning if the government should even offer these programs.
I again, cannot speak for every youth. Keep in mind though, the entire Ron
Paul movement was MANY young people across the board.
The most "die hard liberal" people i find on campus tend to be certain
professors anymore, most the students tend to disagree with their mentality.
Again, just my experience. I am also in the south so, take that into consideration.
Even college students who don't like subsidies get offended when tuition goes up. If you really want to offend so-called conservative college students, compare the subsidy for four years of college education to that for a welfare mom raising two kids until the age of 18.0 -
i am not liberal. i do need stability in my life. i am raising 5 kids, by myself. i don't want to turn to anything gov't subsidized. i want to be self reliant and raise my children to be the same way.
Congrats. That must be very challenging. My two kids are killing me... :-)
But you know you have government subsidized (i.e. taxpayer funded) schools, right? I assume your kids attend them, and they are taught by government employees (i.e. teachers)? You drive them there on government built roads, I hope, occasionally patrolled by more government workers (police). Etc., etc. You probably rely on something that is "gov't subsidized" just about every hour of every day...
Government has a very important role to play. The question is obviously how large that role should be. But we shouldn't pretend we can live without government, or that we don't rely on government in a fairly significant way, because it's just not true (assuming you're not living in a cave in Montana, shooting game for dinner, sewing your own clothes, bartering with neighbors for goods).
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i haven't a clue about college aged kids and their money..... i know i was NOT fiscally conservative in college until i realized that my money tree ( dad) wasn't automatically putting money in my account every month, LOL!!!! but by senior year i was better. but then again, i've never really been what people would call "liberal." even in college.
For some reason, Republicans in the US are seen as more responsible with money. Facts be damned. It's also funny how our endless wars costing billions and billions do not seem to count as fiscal irresponsibility. Nor do massive tax breaks for the super wealthy. But just suggest giving a school teacher a raise, and all hell breaks loose about liberals wanting to give away your hard earned tax dollars.
Funny world we live in.
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And also society is changing and shifting in my opinion, our economic situation has caused many people to finally ask the age old question what is the role of government?
I think this question has been asked more or less nonstop for the past 2500 years, minimum.
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Back to the original discussion of the election for a minute... As many of you have probably seen, the news in the past two days has been filled with post-election recaps....blah, blah, blah.... however, one pundit I heard made a point that I thought would be of interest to the group. He said that married people tend to vote republican because they are more stable and singles usually vote democrat. His point was that in the shifting of family units...i.e. more people being single, divorced, having kids outside of marriage, etc. that that is also changing the political landscape. I'm still letting this one swirl in my head so I don't know how I feel yet, but thought I'd ask all of you what you think.
I wouldn't be surprised about that. Double income families have more money, and might get taxed more. Single people have much different mindsets.
They had a political analyst on The View and they said that the problem with the Republicans is that they have "Mad Men" thinking in a "Modern Family" world, and that doesn't work anymore - he said they have to grow with the times. He thinks the only way they could win 2016 is if they nominate a Latino or a woman.0 -
actually i was homeschooling until my divorce. my ex is the only reason my kids are in public school. believe me, if he wasn't a controlling and abusive man that still makes my life difficult they would be back home with me. i do not support public school. my point was more about the "free" stuff. my kids can all get free lunch and breakfast at school. but, i don't let them. we could have received free Thanksgiving dinner in our home, like it's all just purchased and dropped off here, again i declined. i could sign up for free christmas gifts, again declined. OH and christmas dinner too!!! i said no thanks.
i did one year of food stamps, and vowed to never do that again. not because of pride either. but on principal. my kids have health insurance through their dad. i chose to BUY myself health insurance instead of taking state insurance.
and yes, in my ideal world my kids and i would live on a mountain side somewhere. i already grow lots of my own food, including chickens. when i had less kids and was married i used cloth diapers, and made a lot of my kids clothing. so, yeah, i am the one that would like to live like that.
and i don't know who is better with their money, i don't really care ( label wise). my dad was very good with money. he was a stockbroker and made a lot of money. he is who i look towards when it comes to money. the man has never had a mortgage or a car payment in his entire life. my grandparents were the exact same way! my dad is a republican. my in-laws ( democrats, all of them) are NOT good with their money. they aren't exactly wasteful, but i wouldn't take any lessons on saving for the future from them. like 20-25 years into their 30 yr mortgage they refinanced for another either 15 or 30 years. the first year i did christmas with them i was soooooo uncomfortable because of the shear volume of gifts under the tree. it was hours worth. i mean, hours and then a break and then more hours........ and it pissed them off that i wouldn't let them spend on my kids like that......
maybe my wording is wrong, but i don't want to be the welfare mom. using the gov't because i can't do it on my own. i refuse to be her...... so, yeah.i am not liberal. i do need stability in my life. i am raising 5 kids, by myself. i don't want to turn to anything gov't subsidized. i want to be self reliant and raise my children to be the same way.
Congrats. That must be very challenging. My two kids are killing me... :-)
But you know you have government subsidized (i.e. taxpayer funded) schools, right? I assume your kids attend them, and they are taught by government employees (i.e. teachers)? You drive them there on government built roads, I hope, occasionally patrolled by more government workers (police). Etc., etc. You probably rely on something that is "gov't subsidized" just about every hour of every day...
Government has a very important role to play. The question is obviously how large that role should be. But we shouldn't pretend we can live without government, or that we don't rely on government in a fairly significant way, because it's just not true (assuming you're not living in a cave in Montana, shooting game for dinner, sewing your own clothes, bartering with neighbors for goods).
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(assuming you're not living in a cave in Montana, shooting game for dinner, sewing your own clothes, bartering with neighbors for goods).
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Not in Montana but have a freezer full of vegetables and hopefully soon more venison. :laugh:0 -
see carl! this is why you need to move to VA and be my neighbor. YOU get me!
i don't have venison, but i do want to have a cow and goats and sheep :-) i have friends that hunt deer and i'm sure i could get one of them to butcher one for me. we aren't a big meat eating family and tend to stick to chicken and fish. i have ducks too, but i don't know that i could eat one of them.......
i'm the fruitcake that belongs to organic Co-ops and CSAs ( community support agriculture).0 -
(assuming you're not living in a cave in Montana, shooting game for dinner, sewing your own clothes, bartering with neighbors for goods).
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Not in Montana but have a freezer full of vegetables and hopefully soon more venison. :laugh:
:grumble: THanks Carl now I want deer jerky.....0 -
see carl! this is why you need to move to VA and be my neighbor. YOU get me!
i don't have venison, but i do want to have a cow and goats and sheep :-) i have friends that hunt deer and i'm sure i could get one of them to butcher one for me. we aren't a big meat eating family and tend to stick to chicken and fish. i have ducks too, but i don't know that i could eat one of them.......
i'm the fruitcake that belongs to organic Co-ops and CSAs ( community support agriculture).
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does that mean yes??? ;-)0
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I didn't care who won. The guy I thought would do the most good has been out of it for a while (Ron Paul) I said screw it and wrote him in anyway. I figured this way at least I could vote for the person I thought would do the best job.
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Honestly, Obama is cool and Romney is decent, but if I could, I would totally vote for Rick from The Walking Dead.0
