Setting Your Calorie and Macro Targets

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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    I'm sure I'm making this harder then it has to be, but I'm confused!
    I don't know what my LBM is.
    I'll try googling it. lol

    Lean Body Mass, also called Fat-Free Mass, is everything but Fat Mass.

    So if you know your weight and can estimate your bodyfat to 5% accuracy, you have good handle on LBM, since your body is made up of only those 2 general categories.

    So whatever you can think of in your body that is not fat, that's LBM. That includes required water. Not retained water from high sodium meal or because of hard workout.
  • Amanda0926
    Amanda0926 Posts: 108 Member
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    Thank yoy!
    I'm sure I'm making this harder then it has to be, but I'm confused!
    I don't know what my LBM is.
    I'll try googling it. lol

    Lean Body Mass, also called Fat-Free Mass, is everything but Fat Mass.

    So if you know your weight and can estimate your bodyfat to 5% accuracy, you have good handle on LBM, since your body is made up of only those 2 general categories.

    So whatever you can think of in your body that is not fat, that's LBM. That includes required water. Not retained water from high sodium meal or because of hard workout.
  • Razzzzle
    Razzzzle Posts: 40 Member
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    Hi Guys,

    Just joined the group as I am thinking of switching over to TDEE instead of the MFP suggested.

    Just after a check to see if I have done the workings out correctly.

    Currently 239lb
    Height: 67 inch
    Age: 26

    I have put these into the scoobys workshop calculator and have set the activity level to 3-5 hrs moderate activity.

    This is giving me the following:

    BMR - 2228
    TDEE - 3453

    TDEE minus 25% - 2600

    So by this I should be eating 2600 cals and not eating back exercise cals whitch I get.

    I used BB.com LBM calculator to calulate my LBM and its come up at 122lb so my calculations for macro's are below ( can someone check these for me?)

    Protein - 122g (set to 130g / 20% in MFP)
    Fats - 80g (239*0.35 = 87g / 30% in MFP)
    Carbs - 300g (the left overs 50% in MFP)

    Can someone let me know i these look correct?

    Thanks in advance.

    Mr Razzzle :)
  • NutellaAddict
    NutellaAddict Posts: 1,258 Member
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    IMO protein is too low. I personally aim for 1 gm/lb. But wait for the real experts ;) In addition, I follow the IIFYM calculator.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Hi Guys,

    Just joined the group as I am thinking of switching over to TDEE instead of the MFP suggested.

    Just after a check to see if I have done the workings out correctly.

    Currently 239lb
    Height: 67 inch
    Age: 26

    I have put these into the scoobys workshop calculator and have set the activity level to 3-5 hrs moderate activity.

    This is giving me the following:

    BMR - 2228
    TDEE - 3453

    TDEE minus 25% - 2600

    So by this I should be eating 2600 cals and not eating back exercise cals whitch I get.

    I used BB.com LBM calculator to calulate my LBM and its come up at 122lb so my calculations for macro's are below ( can someone check these for me?)

    Protein - 122g (set to 130g / 20% in MFP)
    Fats - 80g (239*0.35 = 87g / 30% in MFP)
    Carbs - 300g (the left overs 50% in MFP)

    Can someone let me know i these look correct?

    Thanks in advance.

    Mr Razzzle :)

    Hi! Can you link the bb.com page where you estimated your LBM. My LBM is at least that and I am an inch shorter and female.
  • CindyTatiana16
    CindyTatiana16 Posts: 24 Member
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    fishergal5 Posts: 50 Member
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  • twixlepennie
    twixlepennie Posts: 1,074 Member
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    Hi-new to the group and would love some help getting me started!
    -I'm 35 yrs old, female
    -5ft, 6in
    -in maintenance, do not want to lose any more weight
    -exercise has been up to this point walking and running (usually a 2 mile combination), 4-6 times a week. I also started doing modified pushups on the trail fence where I walk/run

    My weight range has held pretty steady in the 118-121lb range (this morning I weighed 119.5lbs) for several months now.
    I haven't really been tracking calories/macros for maintenance but did start a few days ago, to get a feel for where I'm at. Looking at the numbers what stands out is that my protein is really low, like 25-35g range.

    For the winter months I want to do less walking/running and start Mark Lauren's strength training programs (first Body by You and then You Are Your Own Gym). This led me to the IIFYM site and I just calculated my numbers-dang, that's a lot of protein :noway:

    If I'm doing it correctly it has me at (entered 6 days of exercise, for 3 days of strength training and 3 days of walking/running)
    BMR 1253
    TDEE 1887
    Protein-119
    Fat-47.6
    Carbs-245.7
    Fiber-24-30

    Compare that with my day yesterday-1,299 calories and 28 grams of protein :tongue:

    Just wondering if those numbers sound right for maintaining and my new winter routine M, W, F -30 minutes of body strength exercises/Mark Lauren's programs, T/TH/S- 2-3 miles of walking/running combination. Rest on Sunday.

    Anything you'd tweak?

    Thanks!
  • mztaylor83
    mztaylor83 Posts: 7 Member
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  • Ideabaker
    Ideabaker Posts: 508 Member
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    I really needed this; thanks so much for posting!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Hi-new to the group and would love some help getting me started!
    -I'm 35 yrs old, female
    -5ft, 6in
    -in maintenance, do not want to lose any more weight
    -exercise has been up to this point walking and running (usually a 2 mile combination), 4-6 times a week. I also started doing modified pushups on the trail fence where I walk/run

    My weight range has held pretty steady in the 118-121lb range (this morning I weighed 119.5lbs) for several months now.
    I haven't really been tracking calories/macros for maintenance but did start a few days ago, to get a feel for where I'm at. Looking at the numbers what stands out is that my protein is really low, like 25-35g range.

    For the winter months I want to do less walking/running and start Mark Lauren's strength training programs (first Body by You and then You Are Your Own Gym). This led me to the IIFYM site and I just calculated my numbers-dang, that's a lot of protein :noway:

    If I'm doing it correctly it has me at (entered 6 days of exercise, for 3 days of strength training and 3 days of walking/running)
    BMR 1253
    TDEE 1887
    Protein-119
    Fat-47.6
    Carbs-245.7
    Fiber-24-30

    Compare that with my day yesterday-1,299 calories and 28 grams of protein :tongue:

    Just wondering if those numbers sound right for maintaining and my new winter routine M, W, F -30 minutes of body strength exercises/Mark Lauren's programs, T/TH/S- 2-3 miles of walking/running combination. Rest on Sunday.

    Anything you'd tweak?

    Thanks!

    I would track for a few weeks and use that to gauge your maintenance. Actual results are going to be far better than what an online calculator spits out. However, if you are coming out at maintenance of about 1,300, something is off as someone with your stats should be maintaining on more than that.

    Re protein, if you are maintaining, you are probably ok with using 0.8g per lb of LBM - but treat as a minimum and try to get more.

    FWIW, my protein goal is a minimum of 165g - which I hit even though I am a vegetarian.

    This may help: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/926789-protein-sources
  • twixlepennie
    twixlepennie Posts: 1,074 Member
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    Hi-new to the group and would love some help getting me started!
    -I'm 35 yrs old, female
    -5ft, 6in
    -in maintenance, do not want to lose any more weight
    -exercise has been up to this point walking and running (usually a 2 mile combination), 4-6 times a week. I also started doing modified pushups on the trail fence where I walk/run

    My weight range has held pretty steady in the 118-121lb range (this morning I weighed 119.5lbs) for several months now.
    I haven't really been tracking calories/macros for maintenance but did start a few days ago, to get a feel for where I'm at. Looking at the numbers what stands out is that my protein is really low, like 25-35g range.

    For the winter months I want to do less walking/running and start Mark Lauren's strength training programs (first Body by You and then You Are Your Own Gym). This led me to the IIFYM site and I just calculated my numbers-dang, that's a lot of protein :noway:

    If I'm doing it correctly it has me at (entered 6 days of exercise, for 3 days of strength training and 3 days of walking/running)
    BMR 1253
    TDEE 1887
    Protein-119
    Fat-47.6
    Carbs-245.7
    Fiber-24-30

    Compare that with my day yesterday-1,299 calories and 28 grams of protein :tongue:

    Just wondering if those numbers sound right for maintaining and my new winter routine M, W, F -30 minutes of body strength exercises/Mark Lauren's programs, T/TH/S- 2-3 miles of walking/running combination. Rest on Sunday.

    Anything you'd tweak?

    Thanks!

    I would track for a few weeks and use that to gauge your maintenance. Actual results are going to be far better than what an online calculator spits out. However, if you are coming out at maintenance of about 1,300, something is off as someone with your stats should be maintaining on more than that.

    Re protein, if you are maintaining, you are probably ok with using 0.8g per lb of LBM - but treat as a minimum and try to get more.

    FWIW, my protein goal is a minimum of 165g - which I hit even though I am a vegetarian.

    This may help: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/926789-protein-sources

    Thanks for replying! My calories are not consistently low-I did alternate day IF for weight loss, and even though I no longer do this for maintenance, it's become a habit to alternate higher days (over 2,000 calories), with lower days here and there. The pattern seems to be lower calories during the week and then the weekends are much higher (hit over 3,000 yesterday go me lol!).

    Upping my protein is going to be my new goal to work on. I'm not a vegetarian, but do limit my meat and dairy intake, technically I guess I'd be a flexitarian? But, after posting pictures in the Body Fat Estimation thread yesterday and seeing myself for the first time since I've lost over 50lbs in candid pictures like that, was really eye opening. I have almost no muscle definition and I think I look too thin now. Also, where the heck did my butt go?! Last year at this time I was wearing size 14 jeans and now, looking at those pictures I was shocked. I knew my curves had gotten smaller but dang-I'm buttless :noway: Going to change focus now and cut back on the cardio (walking/running), start Mark Lauren's plan/s and work on getting the muscle built up.

    So glad I found this group :heart:
  • vwbug86
    vwbug86 Posts: 283 Member
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    So I did the calculations and I know it says you can lower fat and protein for high body fat %, but how much lower.

    I am currently 268.2 with an LBM of about 134lbs

    At a 1760 cal (losing 2lbs per week) diet I should have

    134g Protein = 30%

    93.8g Fat = 48%

    Which only leaves 22% of my calories for carbs

    That seems kind of low to me. So I was wonder how to adjust.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    So I did the calculations and I know it says you can lower fat and protein for high body fat %, but how much lower.

    I am currently 268.2 with an LBM of about 134lbs

    At a 1760 cal (losing 2lbs per week) diet I should have

    134g Protein = 30%

    93.8g Fat = 48%

    Which only leaves 22% of my calories for carbs

    That seems kind of low to me. So I was wonder how to adjust.

    How tall are you?
  • vwbug86
    vwbug86 Posts: 283 Member
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    About 5' 11"
  • Lizzy_Sunflower
    Lizzy_Sunflower Posts: 1,510 Member
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    SETTING CALORIE TARGETS:

    There are two basic ways to do this: by using the targets provided by MFP after inputting your information or by calculating your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) and taking a cut off your TDEE, assuming weight loss is the goal.

    See http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/818082-exercise-calories-again-wtf for more discussion regarding TDEE and the two different methods, but the components of TDEE are repeated below:

    BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The number of calories you burn at complete rest.
    EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of training, or training expenditure.
    NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of activity that is not planned exercise. Vacuuming, driving, brushing your teeth, for example.
    TEF/DIT (Thermic Effect of Feeding or Diet Induced Thermogenesis): Caloric expense of eating/digestion.
    TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = Sum of the above. BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF

    Using MFP calculated calorie goal:

    MFP will use the statistics that you input, such as age and weight, to estimate your BMR.

    There are two main variables that you select when using MFP to determine your calorie goal: activity level (NEAT) and weekly weight loss goal.

    The activity levels per MFP are as follows:
    Sedentary: Spend most of the day sitting (e.g. bank teller, desk job)
    Lightly Active: Spend a good part of the day on your feet (e.g. teacher, salesman)
    Active: Spend a good part of the day doing some physical activity (e.g. waitress, mailman)
    Very Active: Spend most of the day doing heavy physical activity (e.g. bike messenger, carpenter)

    Many problems arise regarding deficits being created that are larger than desired due to the fact that people often select sedentary as a default. The descriptions in my opinion are too ‘generous’ in that most people, unless truly doing very little in the day, will not be sedentary. Factors to consider are whether you have kids that you are running around after, whether you do a lot of cooking/housework, whether you go out dancing or shopping a lot. All of these activities, while not exercise as such, will increase your energy expenditure. From personal experience, I have a desk job and am a lazy bish outside the gym and my activity level, based on actual weight loss, would have to be set at a higher than Lightly Active setting to equate to my actual NEAT.

    In summary, the higher the activity level, the higher your TDEE. If you underestimate, then you are creating a larger than expected or desired weight loss.

    If you wish to change this, go to My Home -> Goals-> Change Goals-> Continue (set at default) and update to the appropriate setting.

    General recommendations for weekly weight loss goals should be based on a number of factors, the main one of which is how much weight you have to lose. The more weight that you have to lose the less severe the negative impact of being at a calorie deficit will have generally (see below for examples).

    As a rule of thumb, the following weekly targets would give a balance between minimizing these negative side effects and seeing a reasonable weekly weight loss:
    More than 75 lbs: 2 lbs/week
    40-75 lbs: 1.5 lbs/week
    10-40 lbs: 1 lb/week
    Less than 10 lbs: 0.5 lb/week

    Obviously, the deficit that is right for you will depend on your personal circumstances and how well you deal with the deficit. For example, for someone who is morbidly obese, the health benefits of getting the weight off quickly will often outweigh the possible negative impact and, as such, a higher than 2 lb a week deficit may well be appropriate.

    Using TDEE:

    Estimating TDEE

    There are many TDEE calculators available on the interwebz. A couple of good ones are:

    http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html
    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ (but ignore the rest of the site as it's full of bs).

    Note however, these are all estimates of averages. The best determination of what your TDEE are your results. If you have been tracking for a while, you should be able to look back over a period of time and calculate what YOUR actual TDEE is. For example, say I lost 8lb over a 10 week period while eating an average of 2,000 calories a day. My TDEE would be: 2,000 x 7 days x 10 weeks (140,000) which represents the total calories consumed over the 10 week period plus 8 x 3,500 (28,000) which represents my weight loss expressed as a deficit using the 3,500 calories per pound approximation. My total expenditure over that period would be 168,000 (the 140,000 plus the 28,000) divided by 70 (7 days x 10 weeks) = 2,400 per day. This would approximate my TDEE. Obviously this number should be tweaked up or down if there is any significant change in activity. It also assumes that you have been logging your intake accurately.

    As noted above, general recommendations for weekly weight loss goals should be based on a number of factors, the main one of which is how much weight you have to lose. Using the ‘TDEE” method it is a good rule of thumb to take a cut of 20% off your TDEE, which will represent your deficit, to get to your calorie target. However, at a low BF%, this will probably be too high and a 10% cut would be more appropriate. Conversely, at when someone has a significant amount of body fat to lose, a 30% cut may well be appropriate.

    To customize your goals in order to be able to use this TDEE based method on MFP, go to My Home -> Goals-> Change Goals-> click Customize and update to the appropriate calorie target.

    Note:
    It is important to not to have too large of a deficit to minimize the negative impact of weight loss, that may include risk of loss of LBM (which can be mitigated to a large degree with strength training and adequate protein), hormonal disruption, metabolic adaptation, lower gym performance, possible lack of sufficient nutrients, lack of adherence and generally being grumpy. As noted above however, the ‘best’ deficit for an individual will depend on personal circumstances and also their sensitivity to large deficits. From my personal experience, when I got down to about a 22% BF%, I could not handle prolonged deficits of much more than about 15% on average as my gym performance suffers and I tend to whine and pout at that stage. Others may be perfectly OK on a 20% cut at that BF%.

    Also, if your results are not in line with what you expect, tweak your targets up or down as appropriate.

    SETTING MACRO TARGETS:

    There are 4 macronutrients. A high level explanation of each of their functions is:

    Protein, which is required for muscle retention/growth
    Fat, which is required for healthy body functions
    Carbs, which provide energy
    Alcohol, which provides for embarrassing photos

    Macronutrient goals should really not be based on percentages, but on grams which vary depending on your size and activity levels.

    We would recommend, as a rule of thumb, the following:

    1g of protein per lb of LBM as a minimum target

    0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target

    The balance can fall where you wish, taking into account performance, satiety and adherence.

    Note: the above protein minimum assumes that you are on a deficit, are undertaking moderate exercise and do not have a significantly low or significantly high body fat percentage. It also assumes that you have no pre-existing medical condition that would require a lower intake.

    At a very low body fat percentage or with highly intensive workouts a slightly higher amount of protein is recommended.

    Conversely, at a very high body fat percentage or with no or little exercise, a slightly lower amount of protein is acceptable.

    Also, at a high BF%, the fats recommendation can be decreased. If you have specific questions about this, please feel free to ask us for our input.

    When you have determined the minimum grams of protein and fat, you can calculate the corresponding percentages based on your calorie target to input into MFP. Protein and carbs have 4 calories per gram and fat has 9 calories per gram. Note that MFP only allows 5% increments so you will need to pick the one nearest your desired target.


    For example, say someone is 150 lbs with a BF% of 20% on a 2,000 calorie target. Note, a 20% body fat means that someone has a 80% lean body mass (LBM) as LBM is everything except fat (muscle, water, organs, tissue, etc). Their macros in grams would be:

    Protein: 1 x 150 x 0.8 (LBM) = 120g x 4 calories = 480 calories divided by 2,000 (calorie target) = 24% - round up to 25%
    Fat: 0.35 x 150 = 53.5g x 9 calories = 473 calories divided by 2,000 = 24% - round up to 25%
    Carbs: balance of 50%
    Remember, protein and fats are minimums and so do not worry about going over on these, carbs would be the variable in this case and you would be under on that macro in order to meet your calorie target.

    To change the MFP settings go to My Home -> Goals-> Change Goals-> click Customize and update the macros.

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  • twixlepennie
    twixlepennie Posts: 1,074 Member
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    Would love some input- how accurate are the TDEE calculators? I did the one from the IIFYM site and in-put my new routine which I started this week (3 days strength training/Mark Lauren's plan and then 3 days of running/walking combo for 2-3 miles a time, rest on Sunday). It gave me a calorie number of 1,887 for me at 119.5lbs, (my maintenance range usually stays in the 119-121 range). This morning, after following the TDEE method for two days, within a few calories, and upping my protein from 25-35 grams a day to the 100gram range, the scale dropped 1.5lbs from yesterday and is at 118lb this morning. And it flickered between 117.5 and 118 before settling on the 118. I have only seen that number one other time, several weeks ago, and I marked it up as a fluke at the time.

    I really don't want to lose any more weight-I posted pictures in the bf% estimate thread, from a couple days ago, and I think I look too thin now. I want to focus on gaining muscle/strength now and I don't know how that will work with continued weight loss? I'm getting towards the very low end of a healthy bmi so I need to get my weight to stabilize.

    I don't have a food scale but thought I was being pretty accurate in my measurements (used measuring cups/spoons, counted out nuts and olives etc etc)-but I will buy a scale today.

    Is it possible that I'm figuring out my TDEE wrong?

    35 yr old female
    5ft, 6in
    this mornings weigh was 118lbs (flickered to 117.5 before settling on 118), was 119.5lb for the past several days (dipped up to 121 on Sunday).
    New routine, started this week: Mark Lauren's Body By You strength training program (have only done it on Monday so far)
    Walking/running 2-3 miles (so far this week I ran approximately 2.5 miles with .5mile of walking mixed in on Tuesday).

    I'm very confused right now :tongue:
  • heybales
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    I'll mention that I've seen several that had their RMR actually measured, and that site estimated the BMR to be about 300-400 lower.
    Now, BMR should be lower than RMR, by about 125 to 200 calories perhaps.

    And their RMR matched within 5% what was expected for their estimate bodyfat%, which they used on that site.

    Just what I've seen, much lower than other estimates - which it sounds like you confirmed. Adjust up obviously.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Would love some input- how accurate are the TDEE calculators? I did the one from the IIFYM site and in-put my new routine which I started this week (3 days strength training/Mark Lauren's plan and then 3 days of running/walking combo for 2-3 miles a time, rest on Sunday). It gave me a calorie number of 1,887 for me at 119.5lbs, (my maintenance range usually stays in the 119-121 range). This morning, after following the TDEE method for two days, within a few calories, and upping my protein from 25-35 grams a day to the 100gram range, the scale dropped 1.5lbs from yesterday and is at 118lb this morning. And it flickered between 117.5 and 118 before settling on the 118. I have only seen that number one other time, several weeks ago, and I marked it up as a fluke at the time.

    I really don't want to lose any more weight-I posted pictures in the bf% estimate thread, from a couple days ago, and I think I look too thin now. I want to focus on gaining muscle/strength now and I don't know how that will work with continued weight loss? I'm getting towards the very low end of a healthy bmi so I need to get my weight to stabilize.

    I don't have a food scale but thought I was being pretty accurate in my measurements (used measuring cups/spoons, counted out nuts and olives etc etc)-but I will buy a scale today.

    Is it possible that I'm figuring out my TDEE wrong?

    35 yr old female
    5ft, 6in
    this mornings weigh was 118lbs (flickered to 117.5 before settling on 118), was 119.5lb for the past several days (dipped up to 121 on Sunday).
    New routine, started this week: Mark Lauren's Body By You strength training program (have only done it on Monday so far)
    Walking/running 2-3 miles (so far this week I ran approximately 2.5 miles with .5mile of walking mixed in on Tuesday).

    I'm very confused right now :tongue:

    What have your carbs done over the last couple of days?

    A couple of days however is too early to tell.
  • twixlepennie
    twixlepennie Posts: 1,074 Member
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    Would love some input- how accurate are the TDEE calculators? I did the one from the IIFYM site and in-put my new routine which I started this week (3 days strength training/Mark Lauren's plan and then 3 days of running/walking combo for 2-3 miles a time, rest on Sunday). It gave me a calorie number of 1,887 for me at 119.5lbs, (my maintenance range usually stays in the 119-121 range). This morning, after following the TDEE method for two days, within a few calories, and upping my protein from 25-35 grams a day to the 100gram range, the scale dropped 1.5lbs from yesterday and is at 118lb this morning. And it flickered between 117.5 and 118 before settling on the 118. I have only seen that number one other time, several weeks ago, and I marked it up as a fluke at the time.

    I really don't want to lose any more weight-I posted pictures in the bf% estimate thread, from a couple days ago, and I think I look too thin now. I want to focus on gaining muscle/strength now and I don't know how that will work with continued weight loss? I'm getting towards the very low end of a healthy bmi so I need to get my weight to stabilize.

    I don't have a food scale but thought I was being pretty accurate in my measurements (used measuring cups/spoons, counted out nuts and olives etc etc)-but I will buy a scale today.

    Is it possible that I'm figuring out my TDEE wrong?

    35 yr old female
    5ft, 6in
    this mornings weigh was 118lbs (flickered to 117.5 before settling on 118), was 119.5lb for the past several days (dipped up to 121 on Sunday).
    New routine, started this week: Mark Lauren's Body By You strength training program (have only done it on Monday so far)
    Walking/running 2-3 miles (so far this week I ran approximately 2.5 miles with .5mile of walking mixed in on Tuesday).

    I'm very confused right now :tongue:

    What have your carbs done over the last couple of days?

    A couple of days however is too early to tell.

    Carbs are still in the range I had been previously eating. I did go out and buy a scale this morning so from here on out I'll be able to log more accuratley. First thing I weighed was a sweet potato, found I was underestimating these by over 100 calories (and right now I'm eating one every day). Maybe I'm overestimating other things and that's why my weight is still dropping? I will report back, after I have a full week or two of eating at TDEE, aiming for my new macros and weighing my food, but hopefully it's a simple issue of me just not logging accuratly because I did'nt have a scale.

    Thanks!