Official diabetes diet misinformation - any candidates for the Darwin Awards?
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Eww,@canadjineh. That would put the meter through its bloody paces, eh?
Actually, the old ADA medical books have spells of sanity; the stuff written for us uneducated diabetics, by contrast.....0 -
Dr Dumbass strikes again.
http://nutritionfacts.org/2016/11/22/how-a-low-carb-diet-is-metabolically-like-being-obese/
LCHF apparently makes us so obese, that we lose weight.
I think he thinks LCHF is bacon and butter all the time. That's ludicrous.0 -
I am not a scientist, however, when I look at the actual referenced study, it sounds like they jacked up the FFA & then jacked up the glucose at the same time and then were surprised the glucose was not burned as fast.
That is hardly the same as a low carb diet. That is a high fat, high carb diet equivalent. In that case, you are giving your cells the opportunity to have 2 fuel sources and the cells seem to be using both, but neither quickly nor exclusively.
In my mind, that is like saying here is some sausage and eggs. Hmm....for some reason when I give you both, you eat the sausage slower than if I only gave you the sausage without the eggs. The eggs must prevent you from eating sausage.
Here is the link to the actual study in case I am reading it incorrectly. I am not too proud to admit I am not perfect.
http://physiologyonline.physiology.org/content/19/3/92.long4 -
Reading further, they say they also tested in the equivalent of fasted state saying the blood glucose was not used when FFA were introduced. If it was a fasted state, then blood glucose would not need to be used by the cells as it would be lowered and if it were used, then hypoglycemia could result. Basically, it is saying what we want to happen is happening. When we get our BG into safe ranges, our bodies begin to burn fat instead of glucose because if it continued to burn glucose our liver would have to begin releasing glucose or our muscular glycogen would have to be tapped or we would become hypoglycemic.
EDIT - forgot possibility of gluconeogenesis - breaking down protein to create glucose - also not optimal.0 -
Dr Dumbass strikes again.
http://nutritionfacts.org/2016/11/22/how-a-low-carb-diet-is-metabolically-like-being-obese/
LCHF apparently makes us so obese, that we lose weight.
I think he thinks LCHF is bacon and butter all the time. That's ludicrous.
There is so much mis-information in that "article" it's not funny. I don't know if everyone is aware, but Michael Gregor is a full-time vegan/peta advocate - not a practicing MD.
He suggests Adults don't create new fat cells - based on one study - which has been disproven. http://preventdisease.com/news/15/090115_Contrary-To-Popular-Belief-Adults-Grow-New-Fat-Cells.shtml
There has never been any scientific evidence contrary to the theory that a high-fat/low-carb/moderate-protein diet is simply THE BEST for diabetics. Regardless of what that PETA advocate wants people to believe.
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albertabeefy wrote: »Dr Dumbass strikes again.
http://nutritionfacts.org/2016/11/22/how-a-low-carb-diet-is-metabolically-like-being-obese/
LCHF apparently makes us so obese, that we lose weight.
I think he thinks LCHF is bacon and butter all the time. That's ludicrous.
There is so much mis-information in that "article" it's not funny. I don't know if everyone is aware, but Michael Gregor is a full-time vegan/peta advocate - not a practicing MD.
He suggests Adults don't create new fat cells - based on one study - which has been disproven. http://preventdisease.com/news/15/090115_Contrary-To-Popular-Belief-Adults-Grow-New-Fat-Cells.shtml
There has never been any scientific evidence contrary to the theory that a high-fat/low-carb/moderate-protein diet is simply THE BEST for diabetics. Regardless of what that PETA advocate wants people to believe.
Oh yeah, I'm aware this dude is a complete dumbass. I watched a documentary on Netflix where he was one of the interviewed and he doesn't sound any better than he writes.
His claims just don't make sense, logically. The studies he uses use faulty baselines which effect the results of the study making the information useless for his hypothesis .0 -
Given the enormous variations between individuals (even looking just at Type 2 diabetics), I'm surprised Dr. Greger doesn't naturally expect different people to have different nutritional needs and ideal diets. Of course, you can find personal testimonials on Greger's site by folks who attest to having achieved greater success in controlling their blood glucose and other conditions with Greger's approach than with whatever variant of LC they tried before; and Greger could find testimonials to the opposite effect here and on Dr. Bernstein's sites and elsewhere, yet I haven't noticed open acknowledgment of this fact on Greger's part. (By contrast, Phnney and Volek, among others, readily admit that a substantial minority of people respond better to LF diets.)
Still, I think there are significant areas of agreement between many folks in his camp(s) and ours (fresh foods, complex carbs, less refined & processed stuff, fewer chemicals, attention to micronutrients, etc.). Dr. Mercola's interview of Greger on YT is an example of someone with fundamentally different ideas managing to find some common ground with him.
As off-putting as it is to be pigeonholed as a bacon and butter apologist if you stray into Greger's community (drawing retorts such as: Krauss, Phinney, and Volek are on the meat and dairy payroll), I don't see the point in painting Greger with the PETA brush or calling him *kitten*. His filters and lenses may be completely different than most of ours, but I give him credit for trying to advance an approach he believes in, even if won't concede that it doesn't fit everyone.
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Here's an interesting article from an MD who's been smoking everything but his shoes:
http://nutritionfacts.org/2016/11/17/fat-is-the-cause-of-type-2-diabetes/
It's not the carbs that's bad for you, it's the fat.....
because people are imagining their success on LCHF. Doctors.....
Yep, my Dad's doctor told him this, and he believed it right up until he died from diabetes complications 4 months ago.
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@EbonyDahlia , I am sorry for your loss. It must have been hard having food arguments with your Dad when he was following his doctor's orders. I am very grateful that my DH doctor happened to go to a LCHF conference at the right moment for my husband's care. I don't think everyone at his office has quite got the High Fat part of the equation though so it is still a struggle with some confusing advice. However, at least LCHF has hit the radar for diabetic patients in that office. So sorry it did not happen for your Dad. Glad it is happening for you.0
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Now this is a much better list of top diabetes influencers!
http://www.diaverge.com/blog/2016/12/5/low-carb-diabetes-influencers
Seeing this really made my day!2 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Now this is a much better list of top diabetes influencers!
http://www.diaverge.com/blog/2016/12/5/low-carb-diabetes-influencers
Seeing this really made my day!
THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!
I love the note just above the bio of each - "(In alphabetical order after Dr. Bernstein)." Gotta give the modern founder proper billing.3 -
There's a lot of Dumb in most collections of "tips" at Diabetic Connect (an offering from the shadowy Alliance Health, which claims to help folks with chronic diseases connect; but, alas, there's no opportunity for community comment on the parade of 1980s-vintage, lipophobic, clickbait articles.)
10 Foods You Think Are Healthy But Aren’t
http://www.diabeticconnect.com/diabetes-slideshows/409-10-foods-you-think-are-healthy-but-aren-tThe unfortunate thing about taco salad is you’re likely to add on a plethora of toppings — from sour cream to Mexican blend shredded cheese to piles of guacamole — that just aren’t good for you. Some sources say that a whole fast food taco salad can have 906 calories and 49 grams of fat.
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There's a lot of Dumb in most collections of "tips" at Diabetic Connect (an offering from the shadowy Alliance Health, which claims to help folks with chronic diseases connect; but, alas, there's no opportunity for community comment on the parade of 1980s-vintage, lipophobic, clickbait articles.)
10 Foods You Think Are Healthy But Aren’t
http://www.diabeticconnect.com/diabetes-slideshows/409-10-foods-you-think-are-healthy-but-aren-tThe unfortunate thing about taco salad is you’re likely to add on a plethora of toppings — from sour cream to Mexican blend shredded cheese to piles of guacamole — that just aren’t good for you. Some sources say that a whole fast food taco salad can have 906 calories and 49 grams of fat.
Uh....
LOL - they vilify the parts that are extremely healthy. I'm sure they extol the virtues of the beans in it, too, regardless of the carb count.1 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »There's a lot of Dumb in most collections of "tips" at Diabetic Connect (an offering from the shadowy Alliance Health, which claims to help folks with chronic diseases connect; but, alas, there's no opportunity for community comment on the parade of 1980s-vintage, lipophobic, clickbait articles.)
10 Foods You Think Are Healthy But Aren’t
http://www.diabeticconnect.com/diabetes-slideshows/409-10-foods-you-think-are-healthy-but-aren-tThe unfortunate thing about taco salad is you’re likely to add on a plethora of toppings — from sour cream to Mexican blend shredded cheese to piles of guacamole — that just aren’t good for you. Some sources say that a whole fast food taco salad can have 906 calories and 49 grams of fat.
Uh....
LOL - they vilify the parts that are extremely healthy. I'm sure they extol the virtues of the beans in it, too, regardless of the carb count.
Why, yes, in fact they do! (But no mention of the carbs in the secret sauces and dressings....)0 -
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/health-minister-john-haggie-diabetes-report-1.3887510
In Canada, the Health Minister for Newfoundland & Labrador thinks the Canadian Diabetes Association estimate for diabetes/pre-diabetes is wrong (and he's downplaying their report) because his data says fewer people are diagnosed.
Duh.
So, he thinks the number of people officially diagnosed is the same as the number of people in his province living with the disease? That's either complete ignorance or outright lies on his part.3 -
albertabeefy wrote: »http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/health-minister-john-haggie-diabetes-report-1.3887510
In Canada, the Health Minister for Newfoundland & Labrador thinks the Canadian Diabetes Association estimate for diabetes/pre-diabetes is wrong (and he's downplaying their report) because his data says fewer people are diagnosed.
Duh.
So, he thinks the number of people officially diagnosed is the same as the number of people in his province living with the disease? That's either complete ignorance or outright lies on his part.
Oh my. I can't... I just can't... lol
Sometimes I realize how dumb otherwise intelligent people are. It can be scary when they are in power.
Dear god! Trump is my president... I'm gonna go find a hole now3 -
albertabeefy wrote: »http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/health-minister-john-haggie-diabetes-report-1.3887510
In Canada, the Health Minister for Newfoundland & Labrador thinks the Canadian Diabetes Association estimate for diabetes/pre-diabetes is wrong (and he's downplaying their report) because his data says fewer people are diagnosed.
Duh.
So, he thinks the number of people officially diagnosed is the same as the number of people in his province living with the disease? That's either complete ignorance or outright lies on his part.
That's one way to save money in health care, eh? They aren't diagnosed, let's not look for them. Just go put your head in this nice hole in the sand....3 -
More tomfoolery from the World Leader in Diabetes Misinformation:
In an interview with Jimmy Moore (LLVLC #683), Dr. Bernstein related that the ADA, a proud partner of Coca-Cola and Domino Foods, refused to accept ads for his diabetes books.
http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/7930/683-llvlc-classic-low-carb-diabetes-doctor-richard-bernstein/
(ADA stuff starts around 18:00)
I wonder how many polio charities blackballed Dr. Salk.3 -
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I'm a nurse and I just fired my doctors and diabetes educators. During the last 5 years under their care I've had 2 heart attacks, 3 heart stents and 3 strokes. The last stroke was just 5 months ago. With my 1st stroke I found out I had MTHFR. A genetic mutation. My doctors said not to worry about it because there was nothing they could do.
It turns out that the MTHFR is connected to my diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, digestive issues, depression, and my bodies inability to detox (hard to lose weight, side effects of medications). My future may have cancer, dementia and alzheimers.
And there is a simple supplement that helps: L-5-MTHFR with Active B12. People with MTHFR do not process regular folic acid and B vitamins, they become toxic in the body. There are about 50% of the population with MTHFR. But, not everyone with it has problems with it. I didn't until I was 50 years old.
Insulin didn't work for me. I gained 25 lbs a month on it. My doctor wasn't concerned with how big I was going to be in a year. I was, so I went to a diabetes educator for help. He said they don't recommend any diets because they found out that people don't stick to them. So, they just tell everyone to eat what you want and adjust your insulin.
I went LCHF and started to feel so much better. But, I caught a virus and needed an IV. Instead of giving me a potassium magnesium IV, I noticed it was sugar water. I looked at him and said why are you giving me glucose? You know I'm diabetic. He said you are throwing ketones. You are in acid ketosis. I said, no I'm on a keto adapted diet. I'm throwing ketones because I'm losing all the weight I put on from the insulin. My blood sugar went over 500. Then he comes in and says, you almost died! Then he says before he leaves, you got to eat a lot more carbs. Ugg! I have tried to find a doctor that understands the MTHFR and the LCHF diet, but sadly I will probably have to move.4 -
I'm a nurse and I just fired my doctors and diabetes educators. During the last 5 years under their care I've had 2 heart attacks, 3 heart stents and 3 strokes. The last stroke was just 5 months ago. With my 1st stroke I found out I had MTHFR. A genetic mutation. My doctors said not to worry about it because there was nothing they could do.
It turns out that the MTHFR is connected to my diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, digestive issues, depression, and my bodies inability to detox (hard to lose weight, side effects of medications). My future may have cancer, dementia and alzheimers.
And there is a simple supplement that helps: L-5-MTHFR with Active B12. People with MTHFR do not process regular folic acid and B vitamins, they become toxic in the body. There are about 50% of the population with MTHFR. But, not everyone with it has problems with it. I didn't until I was 50 years old.
Insulin didn't work for me. I gained 25 lbs a month on it. My doctor wasn't concerned with how big I was going to be in a year. I was, so I went to a diabetes educator for help. He said they don't recommend any diets because they found out that people don't stick to them. So, they just tell everyone to eat what you want and adjust your insulin.
I went LCHF and started to feel so much better. But, I caught a virus and needed an IV. Instead of giving me a potassium magnesium IV, I noticed it was sugar water. I looked at him and said why are you giving me glucose? You know I'm diabetic. He said you are throwing ketones. You are in acid ketosis. I said, no I'm on a keto adapted diet. I'm throwing ketones because I'm losing all the weight I put on from the insulin. My blood sugar went over 500. Then he comes in and says, you almost died! Then he says before he leaves, you got to eat a lot more carbs. Ugg! I have tried to find a doctor that understands the MTHFR and the LCHF diet, but sadly I will probably have to move.
Oh my! I'm so glad that you are fully aware of how totally backward that doctors thinking is. Can you imagine if you just kept going along with his advice? Terrifying!
I'm sorry for all the health trouble you've suffered and hope you continue to find better health on LCHF.2 -
I'm a nurse and I just fired my doctors and diabetes educators. During the last 5 years under their care I've had 2 heart attacks, 3 heart stents and 3 strokes. The last stroke was just 5 months ago. With my 1st stroke I found out I had MTHFR. A genetic mutation. My doctors said not to worry about it because there was nothing they could do.
It turns out that the MTHFR is connected to my diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, digestive issues, depression, and my bodies inability to detox (hard to lose weight, side effects of medications). My future may have cancer, dementia and alzheimers.
And there is a simple supplement that helps: L-5-MTHFR with Active B12. People with MTHFR do not process regular folic acid and B vitamins, they become toxic in the body. There are about 50% of the population with MTHFR. But, not everyone with it has problems with it. I didn't until I was 50 years old.
Insulin didn't work for me. I gained 25 lbs a month on it. My doctor wasn't concerned with how big I was going to be in a year. I was, so I went to a diabetes educator for help. He said they don't recommend any diets because they found out that people don't stick to them. So, they just tell everyone to eat what you want and adjust your insulin.
I went LCHF and started to feel so much better. But, I caught a virus and needed an IV. Instead of giving me a potassium magnesium IV, I noticed it was sugar water. I looked at him and said why are you giving me glucose? You know I'm diabetic. He said you are throwing ketones. You are in acid ketosis. I said, no I'm on a keto adapted diet. I'm throwing ketones because I'm losing all the weight I put on from the insulin. My blood sugar went over 500. Then he comes in and says, you almost died! Then he says before he leaves, you got to eat a lot more carbs. Ugg! I have tried to find a doctor that understands the MTHFR and the LCHF diet, but sadly I will probably have to move.
Even a type 1 in DKA would not get an IV with glucose unless they were in DKA with normal BG's... and then, there would be a 2nd IV with insulin. SMH, the lack of diabetes knowledge in the medical community is frustrating. And in some cases (like yours), dangerous.
I suggest seeking an endocrinologist who is open to your diet.2 -
I'm a nurse and I just fired my doctors and diabetes educators. During the last 5 years under their care I've had 2 heart attacks, 3 heart stents and 3 strokes. The last stroke was just 5 months ago. With my 1st stroke I found out I had MTHFR. A genetic mutation. My doctors said not to worry about it because there was nothing they could do.
It turns out that the MTHFR is connected to my diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, digestive issues, depression, and my bodies inability to detox (hard to lose weight, side effects of medications). My future may have cancer, dementia and alzheimers.
And there is a simple supplement that helps: L-5-MTHFR with Active B12. People with MTHFR do not process regular folic acid and B vitamins, they become toxic in the body. There are about 50% of the population with MTHFR. But, not everyone with it has problems with it. I didn't until I was 50 years old.
Insulin didn't work for me. I gained 25 lbs a month on it. My doctor wasn't concerned with how big I was going to be in a year. I was, so I went to a diabetes educator for help. He said they don't recommend any diets because they found out that people don't stick to them. So, they just tell everyone to eat what you want and adjust your insulin.
I went LCHF and started to feel so much better. But, I caught a virus and needed an IV. Instead of giving me a potassium magnesium IV, I noticed it was sugar water. I looked at him and said why are you giving me glucose? You know I'm diabetic. He said you are throwing ketones. You are in acid ketosis. I said, no I'm on a keto adapted diet. I'm throwing ketones because I'm losing all the weight I put on from the insulin. My blood sugar went over 500. Then he comes in and says, you almost died! Then he says before he leaves, you got to eat a lot more carbs. Ugg! I have tried to find a doctor that understands the MTHFR and the LCHF diet, but sadly I will probably have to move.
Oh my. I wish you a healthy 2017. I hope your health improves quickly with the diet.3 -
My husband's diabetic mother died from KA, on his 16th birthday. The official cause of death was listed as cardiac arrest. His whole family believes the doctor at the hospital killed her and covered it up.2
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I'm a nurse and I just fired my doctors and diabetes educators. During the last 5 years under their care I've had 2 heart attacks, 3 heart stents and 3 strokes. The last stroke was just 5 months ago. With my 1st stroke I found out I had MTHFR. A genetic mutation. My doctors said not to worry about it because there was nothing they could do.
It turns out that the MTHFR is connected to my diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, digestive issues, depression, and my bodies inability to detox (hard to lose weight, side effects of medications). My future may have cancer, dementia and alzheimers.
And there is a simple supplement that helps: L-5-MTHFR with Active B12. People with MTHFR do not process regular folic acid and B vitamins, they become toxic in the body. There are about 50% of the population with MTHFR. But, not everyone with it has problems with it. I didn't until I was 50 years old.
Insulin didn't work for me. I gained 25 lbs a month on it. My doctor wasn't concerned with how big I was going to be in a year. I was, so I went to a diabetes educator for help. He said they don't recommend any diets because they found out that people don't stick to them. So, they just tell everyone to eat what you want and adjust your insulin.
I went LCHF and started to feel so much better. But, I caught a virus and needed an IV. Instead of giving me a potassium magnesium IV, I noticed it was sugar water. I looked at him and said why are you giving me glucose? You know I'm diabetic. He said you are throwing ketones. You are in acid ketosis. I said, no I'm on a keto adapted diet. I'm throwing ketones because I'm losing all the weight I put on from the insulin. My blood sugar went over 500. Then he comes in and says, you almost died! Then he says before he leaves, you got to eat a lot more carbs. Ugg! I have tried to find a doctor that understands the MTHFR and the LCHF diet, but sadly I will probably have to move.
I just fired my doctors this week as well. Not sure where you live, but if you use the link below and scroll down, you will see on the right a list of doctors who are LCHF friendly. They are listed by state. I found one on the list who is not too far from me. I had my initial visit with him last month and a follow up yesterday. I now have much more clarity about what I need to do and how.
http://lowcarbdoctors.blogspot.com/6 -
My husband's diabetic mother died from KA, on his 16th birthday. The official cause of death was listed as cardiac arrest. His whole family believes the doctor at the hospital killed her and covered it up.
DKA can cause hypokalemia, which can cause cardiac arrest.
This almost happened to me when I was a teenager. I just stopped caring, didn't eat or take insulin for a couple days (no insulin on a Sat. and Sun., but almost no food also). On Sunday, my meter was no longer able to display a BG because it was out of range - I think 600 mg/dl was the top end. This was before blood tests for ketones, but the urine sticks were showing dark purple. By Monday morning, I was in DKA, vomiting, urinating every few minutes. Lived in a rural area, phone conversations between my parents and the endocrinologist's office, of course. Endo wanted them to have an ambulance take me to the nearest hospital (~15 miles) with a helicopter launch pad, then take the medical helicopter to the bigger hospital (~90 additional miles) where my endocrinologist was based (no endo's at the small community hospital). My dad thought that was too extreme, so instead just drove me to that larger hospital.
On the way down, I was in and out of consciousness and hallucinating in addition to vomiting (brought a bucket). When we got there, the ER was supposed to know we were coming, but apparently that communication got lost. When we went in, my dad took me over to the water fountain (extreme thirst, of course). I drank a bunch, but couldn't move because I couldn't stand on my own at that point. So I had to stay leaning against the fountain. He went to the desk, then came back and helped me to a chair in the waiting area, then went back to the desk. I remember noticing my fingertips were starting to turn purple. I don't know how long I waited, but the nurse took me back and was just taking vitals - not realizing how bad of shape I was in. Then I vomited on her, at which point they figured out maybe they should move me faster. They started wheeling me up to the ICU (in wheelchair since the waiting room), and I lost consciousness again. Next thing I remember was just a really brief moment where there were a bunch of medical people around - must have woken up for a second - then the next day, woke up again in the ICU with just a couple nurses. Then gradually improved over the next few days. Lab BG showed 938 mg/dl at first, and they put an IV in a main artery (in groin) to get fast delivery of insulin. The endocrinologist did mention that she was surprised, based on potassium levels, that I didn't have a heart attack. Said that would have been very likely / expected based on potassium levels.3 -
cstehansen wrote: »I just fired my doctors this week as well. Not sure where you live, but if you use the link below and scroll down, you will see on the right a list of doctors who are LCHF friendly. They are listed by state. I found one on the list who is not too far from me. I had my initial visit with him last month and a follow up yesterday. I now have much more clarity about what I need to do and how.
http://lowcarbdoctors.blogspot.com/
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cstehansen wrote: »I just fired my doctors this week as well. Not sure where you live, but if you use the link below and scroll down, you will see on the right a list of doctors who are LCHF friendly. They are listed by state. I found one on the list who is not too far from me. I had my initial visit with him last month and a follow up yesterday. I now have much more clarity about what I need to do and how.
http://lowcarbdoctors.blogspot.com/
How did it go yesterday??
Just started a new thread for this. Warning: It is a very long post, and I didn't even cover everything. Summary: very much worthwhile to change doctors.0 -
My suggestion: As a nurse, take the courses (they're full of crap, but that doesn't matter) and become a CDE - a Certified Diabetes Educator.I'm a nurse and I just fired my doctors and diabetes educators.
Once you have that certification, you can create your own plans and always be compliant, FYI.
You can also teach others the TRUTH about diabetes, carbohydrate metabolism and proper nutrition.
Unfortunately the way we treat diabetics in the hospital is criminal. Typical diabetic meals in the hospitals I have privileges are low-fat/high-carb nightmares. The incredible misinformation staff (whether medical, nursing or dietetic) have about ketoacidosis vs. ketosis is startling....But, I caught a virus and needed an IV. Instead of giving me a potassium magnesium IV, I noticed it was sugar water. I looked at him and said why are you giving me glucose? You know I'm diabetic. He said you are throwing ketones. You are in acid ketosis. I said, no I'm on a keto adapted diet. I'm throwing ketones because I'm losing all the weight I put on from the insulin. My blood sugar went over 500. Then he comes in and says, you almost died! Then he says before he leaves, you got to eat a lot more carbs.
I wish your experience was a rare one. Unfortunately, it's not.
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There's a funny dialog on this blog post that reflects the typical duet teachings. It's really funny and also sad because of how true it really is.
"in your addled state, you’ve failed to understand that diabetes is a PROGRESSIVE disease. And your diabetes hasn’t progressed at all. In fact, it seems to be quite stalled."
FACEPALM!
https://eathropology.com/2015/09/29/1252/
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