What is up with this trend I'm seeing???
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karebear5891 wrote: »One time since I started, I had some fried dough that comes around once a year for the Italian festival in my hometown- then hopped right back in and haven't been off since. One item for one meal.)
Benign traditions shouldn't die of neglect, as long as they only produce 1x/year habits.
Does the stuff have an Italian name?1 -
anewlifeat40 wrote: »https://anewlifeatforty.wordpress.com/2016/07/30/cream-cheese-crepes-recipe/
Cool! Thanks... Now I'll be more motivated to try new recipes and keep posting.
Came back to thread to visit site, site died
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karebear5891 wrote: »One time since I started, I had some fried dough that comes around once a year for the Italian festival in my hometown- then hopped right back in and haven't been off since. One item for one meal.)
Benign traditions shouldn't die of neglect, as long as they only produce 1x/year habits.
Does the stuff have an Italian name?
@RalfLott it's zeppole. Traditionally consumed during the Festa di San Giuseppe (Saint Joseph's Day) celebrated every March 19, meh, in my opinion it's a donut - totally overrated. Now Panettone, mmmm, that was my downfall before I found out I had to be gluten free. Toasted lightly with lots of butter. My family comes from near Venezia.2 -
karebear5891 wrote: »One time since I started, I had some fried dough that comes around once a year for the Italian festival in my hometown- then hopped right back in and haven't been off since. One item for one meal.)
Benign traditions shouldn't die of neglect, as long as they only produce 1x/year habits.
Does the stuff have an Italian name?
That is unless you are one of those people who has 30 unique 1x/year habits.
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Oooh, damn you, Italy!2
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canadjineh wrote: »karebear5891 wrote: »One time since I started, I had some fried dough that comes around once a year for the Italian festival in my hometown- then hopped right back in and haven't been off since. One item for one meal.)
Benign traditions shouldn't die of neglect, as long as they only produce 1x/year habits.
Does the stuff have an Italian name?
@RalfLott it's zeppole. Traditionally consumed during the Festa di San Giuseppe (Saint Joseph's Day) celebrated every March 19, meh, in my opinion it's a donut - totally overrated. Now Panettone, mmmm, that was my downfall before I found out I had to be gluten free. Toasted lightly with lots of butter. My family comes from near Venezia.
Madonna, Venezia? Che bellissima città!
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
A lot of Strongman athletes will use pre-workout carb-ups, as will many powerlifters. These usually include a LOT of fast digesting sugars, like dextrose, and various refined sugars. This is because of their volume and intensity. Keto is great for endurance. It's *kitten* for intensity. When every move you make while training is an explosive one, loss of explosive performance won't do.GlitterRayne wrote: »To me it seems like they are taking carb ups or carbcycling to an extreme. I've heard that one day of adding more veg, or a sweet potato or something then going back to strict low carb high fat promotes more weight loss. I don't do it but I think that's what's going on. People are misunderstanding what it really is.
Jeff Volek is a powerlifter and one of the longest-running keto advocates. He might take issue with your *kitten* theory.
I've experience bonking after 19-20 hour fasts when doing high intensity lifting. Body simply won't let me go there. I can walk for ever though in a fasted state. High intensity is an anaerobic activity and burning fat is aerobic. Burning fat can't keep up with the demand in an anaerobic condition but can in a lower intensity aerobic state. Glucose metabolism is an anaerobic process and so can keep up with the energy demand in a high intensity anaerobic state. That is what I've read and noticed with myself.
Dr. Peter Attia reported significant increases in aerobic capacity and a decrease in anaerobic capacity in some detailed self experimentation (eatingacademy.com) while in ketosis.0 -
Technically, Montebelluna (in Treviso - home of the Benetton family, as in United Colours of Benetton).0
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What I noticed one week ago was the MODS had to request that the "backsliders" stop posting full details about their cheat days - one year ago when I began, ppl were not into writing long and elaborate postings of how they cheated.
Really why would someone do this except for one reason, they're really not Low Carb and they are a type of Spammer.
I haven't awakened one morning and wanted toast and cereal with my bacon and egg yolks / not once.1 -
What I noticed one week ago was the MODS had to request that the "backsliders" stop posting full details about their cheat days - one year ago when I began, ppl were not into writing long and elaborate postings of how they cheated.
Really why would someone do this except for one reason, they're really not Low Carb and they are a type of Spammer.
I haven't awakened one morning and wanted toast and cereal with my bacon and egg yolks / not once.
I don't know if they're spammers or not low carb. Trouble is the internet is full of people who go from one thing to the next and lack commitment and require validation for every.little.thing.they do. It's a form of attention seeking. Grown ups who are serious about eating healthy do not need to post "OMG I ATE A HUGE TUB OF ICECREAM AND A PIZZA AND 3 GALLONS OF COKE I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO". Only children need this kind of attention.2 -
You know what my "cheat day" is?
I eat an extra 200-800 calories HFLC. More cheese? More bacon? Why, YES, thank you!
If I'm feeling hungry- I eat. My trend is to eat more calories on the weekends. I can't afford to deviate from HFLC due to my blood sugars- but that does not mean I'm suffering for a "diet" either. This is my health and my future- not a quick fix to get into single digit jeans.1 -
FWIW, the way I managed my weight before I was diagnosed T2D was by cutting out carbs and reducing calories via portion size. I would eliminate snacks, sweets and seconds and give myself a break on Sunday (since I am a priest and Sundays are feast days - it just made sense). This weight loss system had a plateau for me, and I could not seem to break through it without seriously reducing the calories. I would find myself ravenously hungry but tough it out.
Once I got the T2D diagnosis, it took me a little while and some trial and error, but the only thing that really seemed to have much impact on the blood glucose was LCHF. I am still figuring it all out, but the observation by @RalfLott with being sober for 7 years except on Fridays rings true. I would not recommend a cheat day if it is a health issue. At the end of the day the weight loss is a health issue too, and it is not just the diabetics who need to think this way.
I still have to keep the calories lower than the web forms would suggest to actually lose weight. I can do that without being hungry all the time with the LCHF. I have finally broken through the plateau, and the diet is sustainable for me. I want the blood glucose levels to come down more than they have too, but I am a patient man.4 -
cimarrona27 wrote: »You know what my "cheat day" is?
I eat an extra 200-800 calories HFLC. More cheese? More bacon? Why, YES, thank you!
If I'm feeling hungry- I eat. My trend is to eat more calories on the weekends. I can't afford to deviate from HFLC due to my blood sugars- but that does not mean I'm suffering for a "diet" either. This is my health and my future- not a quick fix to get into single digit jeans.
Same here, though I occasionally have a high carb cheat day on occasion. Unlike many who post here, I can eat low carb for months and still crave high carb delicious foods. Eventually, I give in to those cravings. The last time was at the end of October and I'm trying to hold off until April.
For the same health reason (blood sugar - I'm type 1, was type 2 also for more than a decade), I can't do carb cheat days very often either. I'm extremely carb sensitive now, so if I add a bunch of carbs suddenly, my BG skyrockets. Even if I take Symlin (slows absorption of glucose) and insulin, I still get tenacious highs that take multiple rounds of insulin to make them budge. Last time, my BG shot up to nearly 500 mg/dl (despite insulin) and just wouldn't come down below 400 mg/dl despite multiple large doses of insulin. It wasn't until stopping eating carbs for almost a day before the insulin finally would do its job.
In the meantime, I had GI issues related to a quick change in diet (gut bacteria needed more time to adapt?) and crippling electrolyte imbalances as a result of the BG and related effects. The electrolyte balance is what took almost 2 weeks to notice improvement. In the meantime, my calves were barely functional and in serious pain.
So while I really love carb-heavy foods and still have cravings, I can't give in very often. If I ever do leave the low carb WOE, I'll have to be very slow and deliberate about re-introducing carbs again safely.1 -
I don't do cheat days on carbs, or I should say haven't now for a year plus now. I will go over carb restricting with dairly or nuts but not cakes, bread, pizza or anything like that. I won't go to ice cream either, it all just sets me up for more grief in the long run.1
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »What I noticed one week ago was the MODS had to request that the "backsliders" stop posting full details about their cheat days - one year ago when I began, ppl were not into writing long and elaborate postings of how they cheated.
Really why would someone do this except for one reason, they're really not Low Carb and they are a type of Spammer.
I haven't awakened one morning and wanted toast and cereal with my bacon and egg yolks / not once.
I don't know if they're spammers or not low carb. Trouble is the internet is full of people who go from one thing to the next and lack commitment and require validation for every.little.thing.they do. It's a form of attention seeking. Grown ups who are serious about eating healthy do not need to post "OMG I ATE A HUGE TUB OF ICECREAM AND A PIZZA AND 3 GALLONS OF COKE I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO". Only children need this kind of attention.
I agree and disagree with that thought.
While I have absolutely seen posts like this that felt more like attention seeking... make me feel good about my bad choice... tell me it's no big deal... kinda thing, I have also seen some that feel desperate and exhausted and depressed and defeated. Even if the same person seems to go round and round with feeling loss of control that results in self sabotage like that, there are some that I felt they genuinely wanted to stop it but just haven't found it within themselves to do it.
IMO, regardless of which way the post seems to lean, "sugar coating" responses aren't helpful. Being honest, but non jugemental, and encouraging but also challenging the person to try and learn something about themselves from the experience would offer the most "help". And we do assume a person is looking for help if they comment publicly about something not going well.
Going back to the attention seeking type, I do recall a few times where strategies were being offered that were followed up by statements like "I can't do that", "that doesn't work for me", "oh well, sometimes that's just gonna happen" "it's really not that bad" and also times the person got upset and defensive that people were trying to help in the first place.
Anyway, that stuff is going to exist. There is normal human behavior in cheating and also the varying responses to it. And in the types of advice and support that we offer... enabling or not... or even overboard hard core tough.
It must be tough to mod a group. Especially if you don't want to set really hard standards to allow open discussion.
I love our group mods! I think they've all done a fabulous job of keeping things from running amok on a post but mostly allowing different thoughts, opinions and strategies to be discussed or debated. Tolerating our occasional silliness and offering their own incredibly varied experiences.
We really have it all here.
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Selling books, supplements and diets maybe a driver of some of the nonsense.
The fuel and engine oil I use in my car is not the same used in race cars.
2.5 years into this WOE I find just leaving off processed foods does 96% of my food "thinking" for me.4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »2.5 years into this WOE I find just leaving off processed foods does 96% of my food "thinking" for me.
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My carb devil is pineapple. Fruit is really the only carb I miss and crave. I occasionally indulge in berries covered in whipped cream. I will admit...this week is a tough week...I have a pineapple on my counter just waiting to be cut up and devoured. I have been so good and have lost enough weight that I can justify a healthy fruit with fiber as a special treat.0
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karebear5891 wrote: »One time since I started, I had some fried dough that comes around once a year for the Italian festival in my hometown- then hopped right back in and haven't been off since. One item for one meal.)
Benign traditions shouldn't die of neglect, as long as they only produce 1x/year habits.
Does the stuff have an Italian name?
Actually, some benign traditions should be deliberately executed. If you visit our part of the world during Mardi Gras, you will probably be invited to sample a "Moon Pie." Do not do this. It is 80 gazillion carbs with all the taste and appeal of blotting paper stuffed with library paste. To me, at least; other people are willing to trample three old ladies and a toddler to catch one as it's thrown from a parade float.4 -
mandycat223 wrote: »karebear5891 wrote: »One time since I started, I had some fried dough that comes around once a year for the Italian festival in my hometown- then hopped right back in and haven't been off since. One item for one meal.)
Benign traditions shouldn't die of neglect, as long as they only produce 1x/year habits.
Does the stuff have an Italian name?
Actually, some benign traditions should be deliberately executed. If you visit our part of the world during Mardi Gras, you will probably be invited to sample a "Moon Pie." Do not do this. It is 80 gazillion carbs with all the taste and appeal of blotting paper stuffed with library paste. To me, at least; other people are willing to trample three old ladies and a toddler to catch one as it's thrown from a parade float.
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I think carb re-feeds are a body building and strength sport thing. There are a bunch of books predicated on this method. The idea seems to be that getting carbs at certain special times has a positive impact on muscle strength and growth, which is a bit broscienc-y to me (on one hand, studies might support that, but on the other hand, I think it might be nearly impossible to figure out the correct dose and timing). Now... if it works for specialized athletes... I won't argue with results. But for me and people in general who are just starting out and/or not trying to become strength athletes it might not be the best method, as it induces cravings and just crappy feeling in general (I tried it to help with gym performance... not so much).1
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I think carb re-feeds are a body building and strength sport thing. There are a bunch of books predicated on this method. The idea seems to be that getting carbs at certain special times has a positive impact on muscle strength and growth, which is a bit broscienc-y to me (on one hand, studies might support that, but on the other hand, I think it might be nearly impossible to figure out the correct dose and timing). Now... if it works for specialized athletes... I won't argue with results. But for me and people in general who are just starting out and/or not trying to become strength athletes it might not be the best method, as it induces cravings and just crappy feeling in general (I tried it to help with gym performance... not so much).
It's not even about timing. It's about the following:
A: insulin is anabolic as hell. Don't believe me? Compare modern Mr. Olympias who inject insulin along with their steroids to the guys in the 80s and 90s who just used AAS. It's not even a comparison.
B: training intensity goes to hell in the total absence of carbs. I haven't come across a single record holding powerlifter who set their record while SKD. The closest was Jamie Lewis who ran CKD (weekly carb refeeds). Late converts don't count. It's like a guy going 20 years getting jacked on ground beef, setting a record, then going vegan, and that community trying to be like "seeee? You can get teh uberstrong on beans and carrots".
C: protein and carbs together provide a larger insulin spike (and therefore higher anabolism) than protein or carbs alone.
low-fat is stupid too, as saturated fats tend to improve free testosterone levels, but only up to a certain point. After that, you're essentially just fuelling calorie burn.
As we are finding more and more, in the world of strength, the body performs best with a balance of all three. Spare me the ketogains rhetoric. Those guys are doing fine for what they are doing, and yeah, most of them are either TKD or CKD. All of the SKD guys are the ones whining that they can't seem to get anything but fatter when they try to bulk.
Sorry if this seemed harsh, but it keeps getting prodded at in weird ways by people who have little to no experience in strength sports.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I think carb re-feeds are a body building and strength sport thing. There are a bunch of books predicated on this method. The idea seems to be that getting carbs at certain special times has a positive impact on muscle strength and growth, which is a bit broscienc-y to me (on one hand, studies might support that, but on the other hand, I think it might be nearly impossible to figure out the correct dose and timing). Now... if it works for specialized athletes... I won't argue with results. But for me and people in general who are just starting out and/or not trying to become strength athletes it might not be the best method, as it induces cravings and just crappy feeling in general (I tried it to help with gym performance... not so much).
It's not even about timing. It's about the following:
A: insulin is anabolic as hell. Don't believe me? Compare modern Mr. Olympias who inject insulin along with their steroids to the guys in the 80s and 90s who just used AAS. It's not even a comparison.
B: training intensity goes to hell in the total absence of carbs. I haven't come across a single record holding powerlifter who set their record while SKD. The closest was Jamie Lewis who ran CKD (weekly carb refeeds). Late converts don't count. It's like a guy going 20 years getting jacked on ground beef, setting a record, then going vegan, and that community trying to be like "seeee? You can get teh uberstrong on beans and carrots".
C: protein and carbs together provide a larger insulin spike (and therefore higher anabolism) than protein or carbs alone. low-fat is stupid too, as saturated fats tend to improve free testosterone levels, but only up to a certain point. After that, you're essentially just fuelling calorie burn.
As we are finding more and more, in the world of strength, the body performs best with a balance of all three. Spare me the ketogains rhetoric. Those guys are doing fine for what they are doing, and yeah, most of them are either TKD or CKD. All of the SKD guys are the ones whining that they can't seem to get anything but fatter when they try to bulk.
Sorry if this seemed harsh, but it keeps getting prodded at in weird ways by people who have little to no experience in strength sports.
Some low-carbers have had success using UCAN super starch, an ultra slow-release carb that does not spike insulin much at all to stock up their glycogen without having an insulin spike. They have been able to do well in extreme endurance events (>2-hrs) without bonking because they can draw on fat whereas the people eating carbs (a neccesity for long endurance events due to limited glycogen storage capability of the body) can't access the fat due to high insulin levels associated with carb supplimentation. You need carbs for high intensity work for sure (can be metabolized in an anaerobic state).0
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