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I am well aware of the difference between moderate and high intensity. I was running at full speed (95+%) at various points for a short interval, and that was MY maximum intensity. I am sure a professional sprinter will believe that my training is moderate, but that is because his body has trained longer, and his intensity…

While you were busy talking about your "credentials", you pretty much contradicted yourself. The explanation of why I can function like this when you claim you cannot is also in your own post in your own words. "I train for hours a week as a lifter and a dancer- I work 3 jobs. I am training a russian power lifting program…

That's incorrect. I've done HIIT sprinting while 60+ hour fasted, as in NO FOOD whatsoever, only water. Edit: 60 hour fasted is a much harsher condition than ketosis, as the body has not yet manufactured enough ketone producing bodies to keep up with high intensity exercise. You must be doing something wrong if you're in…

When I said fasting, I meant 24-72 hours, lol. ESE style. No offense, but you are not me, you don't know what I am doing, so you cannot say what I am on or not, lol. Just because you can't, doesn't mean I can't.

TKD is probably unnecessary and a deep constant ketosis would work fine if you actually gave your body a chance to get used to it for a long period of time. Of course it doesn't appear to build as fast.... some people can have up to 10 pounds of glycogen and water in their muscles depending on their total muscle mass, when…

Men are a lot more adapted to fasting states than women, therefore, your statement about low calories wrecking the body are more suitable for women than healthy men. Also, you VASTLY underestimate the role that micronutrients play in health. I was at the gym yet again for the full workout I usually do, and did fine, even…

I can appreciate your opinion, but from everything you said, nothing has really proven the ketogenic diet did not work for you, because you did not do a proper ketogenic diet, but a low carb diet with cheat days. What you have made regarding the ketogenic diet is what I would call a misleading discovery based on an…

I actually think the ketogenic diet does not build muscle mass slower than the conventional diet. It APPEARS that way because the total mass of the muscle increases with carb intake due to the ever-increasing capacity to store glycogen and subsequent water. PURE MUSCLE GAIN is the same if two atheletes are doing the same…

Thanks for the links. I carefully read through them, and I have some issues with them. 1: He did not say by how much his muscle mass increased, and even if it did, a large portion of it would inevitably be stored glycogen and water which glycogen attracts due to its being hydrophillic. That is not true muscle mass. (Now if…

I'll agree with the "think through everything and challenge it to yourself part." However, experience trumps advice. I'll listen to something presented to me in a calm and friendly manner and consider it seriously. If someone is upset by that... that is their issue. :-) If I say I am feeling good, and actually have insane…

Volek and Phinney... I actually didn't recognize those names, but when I looked it up, I recognized their faces immediately. They recommend that much protein for bulking? Hmmm. Well according to that, a power lifter with 255 LBM will definitely need bucketloads of protein. That's around 220-250 grams.

Well uhh... I am... I am tracking my calories accurately... and I have the exact same strength I had on a 3000+ calorie diet, though I expect it won't last too long. I have to point out I was at 30% body fat 3 weeks ago. I am currently at 25%. I was borderline obese.... i had too much energy stored. And yes, I work out…

I am new to the game, indeed. However, I am not tired at all, in fact, I have great energy, no mood swings, and my lifts are constant. (I am supplementing with vitamins though). 3 weeks into my current restrictive diet I still have the exact same deadlift after 3 weeks of inactivity, newb gains or not, that shows that my…

Yep, I made a mistake in forgetting to include much higher activity levels into my carb limit suggestion, however, I still believe the carb refeeds are definitely not leaving him in ketosis.

I admit that I forgot to account for the fact that you have nearly double my lean body mass while stating carb limits, however, I have to point out that if you were doing regular carb nights and refeeding, you were interrupting your keto-adaptation. It takes 4-6 weeks to become decently keto-adapted, and about 6 months to…

Wow, that's some drive. I don't have that kind of mental energy yet. After over a decade of laziness and inactivity, I am just doing strength workouts twice a week. Nothing on rest days, yet. You are pretty much working out (in some form) every day. I don't think many people can do that.

Yes, I wasn't negating what you said, just adding. Sorry, I was able to guess that JKD is Jeet kun do, but what does BIL stand for?

How much do you exercise?

He didn't do the keto diet though, he ate plenty of rice and pasta. He wasn't just muscular, he was insanely strong. He could side-kick a punching bag and have fly up and bang against the ceiling. I'd much prefer that kind of strength over muscle mass, though that's off-topic.

That's true, trying to learn from them. What do you usually eat?

A good ketogenic diet recommends around 1 gram of protein per KG of LBM (1kg = 2.2 lbs)

@Mity Health and weight loss. Jack Lalanne and Bruce Lee were able to perform superhuman feats even though they did not eat half a cow daily.

Pure strength. One day I do deadlifts working up to my 1RM, and then dips working up to 2-3M. The other day squats working up to 1RM and pull-ups working up to 2-3 RM.

OK, I'm going to test this on myself. I have 155 lbs of lean muscle mass and only take in 75-80 grams of protein. I am starting up my strength training again. If I don't have the same strength gains as I did before, then I will have to agree with you. Edit: I was able to add 80 lbs to my deadlift in 2 months on a high carg…

At the moment, I truly couldn't say whether the ketogenic diet is optimal for building muscle mass. Should be OK for pure strength. I am planning on testing it on myself with a permanent proper ketogenic diet. If my muscle strength gains coincide with people who use recommended diets, then I will consider it a good…

Hmmm. I see you're point, but I still think that even with 250 lbs of lean mass, he would only need around 125 grams of protein, up to 150 max. Depends of course, on how often he does his powerlifting. But that aside, I've actually figured out why Lofteren probably lost so much strength! I nearly forgot about this but:…

He only said he was pretty sure that 20 lbs of it was muscle. He has no idea, in fact. In cases like this, people should be getting an inbody analysis.

For people who have large body fat percentages and high lean body fat mass and do extensive power lifting, cleaning up a diet will result in weight loss. 10,000 calories cannot be stored in one day anyway. How much were you eating before you lost the 50 lbs? 6000 calories daily? Edit: Also, how often did you do the carb…

??? No. You are twisting my words. My only statement was that too much excess protein (above what your body needs) will kick you out of ketosis, because they are converted to glucose! I only mentioned the insulin response, because excess protein causes an insulin response just like carbs, whereas most fats do not. Fats do…

This is not the most likely reason, as it's not as easy to eat too much protein unless you take protein supplements. Phinney and Volek in their book "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" recommend 0.6 - 1 gram of protein per a pound of lean mass / 1.3 - 2.2 grams of protein per a kilogram of lean mass a day…