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  • Vanguard1
    Vanguard1 Posts: 388 Member
    jvcinv wrote: »
    When you guys talk about %BF what method do you use or recommend?
    Since I was career Army I still use this:
    http://www.calculator.net/army-body-fat-calculator.html
    Although I have heard BF Calipers are more accurate.
  • mistymeadows2005
    mistymeadows2005 Posts: 3,737 Member
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    From my latest understanding about fasting from reading a few books, one of which is the Complete Guide to Fasting, fasting isn't the same as a caloric deficit. Around the 18 hour mark of fasting, the human growth hormone kicks in and stays for two days and that actually helps retain and build muscle. However, there are conflicting views so I honestly don't know. But, I do know that there are a lot of IF body builders, and that's both professional and your average person just wanting to put on lean muscle mass, who do so via intermittent fasting including OMAD. They're all over YouTube, blogs, etc.

    I enjoy working out but have lightened up a lot on my cardio. I do 2-3 HIIT strength training workouts a week and feel awesome. :)

    Yeah I'm just about done listening to the podcast with the guy who wrote the complete guide to fasting and it's fascinating! It's amazing the way your body responds to fasting differently than caloric restriction, definitely something to keep in mind. From a logical perspective it makes sense so I'm going to go with that's the case for now ;)
  • minigrrll
    minigrrll Posts: 1,590 Member
    mistymeadows2005 wrote: »
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    From my latest understanding about fasting from reading a few books, one of which is the Complete Guide to Fasting, fasting isn't the same as a caloric deficit. Around the 18 hour mark of fasting, the human growth hormone kicks in and stays for two days and that actually helps retain and build muscle. However, there are conflicting views so I honestly don't know. But, I do know that there are a lot of IF body builders, and that's both professional and your average person just wanting to put on lean muscle mass, who do so via intermittent fasting including OMAD. They're all over YouTube, blogs, etc.

    I enjoy working out but have lightened up a lot on my cardio. I do 2-3 HIIT strength training workouts a week and feel awesome. :)

    Yeah I'm just about done listening to the podcast with the guy who wrote the complete guide to fasting and it's fascinating! It's amazing the way your body responds to fasting differently than caloric restriction, definitely something to keep in mind. From a logical perspective it makes sense so I'm going to go with that's the case for now ;)
    I tried to listen to that Jimmy Moore guy yesterday and I won't be listening to anything with him talking any more!! For some reason I found him INCREDIBLY annoying and couldn't listen to a full episode. I'm such a b1tch!! Plus there were so many ads and they were trying to sell supplements and stuff. Um hello - this is fasting - why are you trying to sell me some shake??? Kind of disappointing because I'm getting into listening to podcasts while walking (after the Gin Stephens ones, which I thoroughly enjoyed). Need to find some others... Anyway, just me and my low tolerance level!!

    I do agree that from a logical perspective it all makes sense and I'm going with it for now too!!
  • minigrrll
    minigrrll Posts: 1,590 Member
    Unless you are talking about Jason Fung (the doctor)? Does he have a podcast?
  • blambo61
    blambo61 Posts: 4,372 Member
    blambo61 wrote: »
    People will lose muscle the way they are doing OMAD (if protein consumption isn't kept up) but not at the same proportion as their body fat so the %BF will improve and we won't become a smaller version of us. If I lose 20lbs of fat and my starting %BF was 25%, I would have to lose 5-lbs of muscle which isn't going to happen to stay at the same %bf. I may lose 2-lbs but I'm pretty sure I won't lose 5. I did lose about 5-lbs of muscle or so when I started the diet (by in-body measurements) then started lifting and also making sure I got my protein in. After a couple of months, I gained it all back (by in-body measurements). I'm not so sure you can't gain in a deficit. Lean gains has selective deficit days to promote muscle growth and lose at the same time.

    Having said all that, I've always tried to exercise cause I like it and I would like to maintain as much muscle as possible. So I understand the concern and partially agree with you but partially disagree. I do think initially it will slow down weight loss, but after a couple of months, I think it can help speed up weight loss.

    My example was wrong:

    If I'm 25% BF for (1 out of 5 lbs of me is fat). I would have to lose 4-lbs of lean body mass for every lb of fat lost to maintain 25% BF. That isn't going to happen. Muscle will be lost but %BF will still improve.

    If I'm 200lbs and 50% BF (100lbs lean body mass and 100-lbs fat) and I lose 60-lbs of fat and even 20lbs of muscle, I would end up weighing 120lbs with 40-lbs being fat and would be at 33% bf. That is an improvement in %BF but was a significant muscle loss. I concur, we don't want to lose muscle, but if it happens, it won't be as bad as what you stated. Watch the protein and lift and I think there will not be a lot of muscle lost.
  • wsandy8512
    wsandy8512 Posts: 1,897 Member
    minigrrll wrote: »
    mistymeadows2005 wrote: »
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    From my latest understanding about fasting from reading a few books, one of which is the Complete Guide to Fasting, fasting isn't the same as a caloric deficit. Around the 18 hour mark of fasting, the human growth hormone kicks in and stays for two days and that actually helps retain and build muscle. However, there are conflicting views so I honestly don't know. But, I do know that there are a lot of IF body builders, and that's both professional and your average person just wanting to put on lean muscle mass, who do so via intermittent fasting including OMAD. They're all over YouTube, blogs, etc.

    I enjoy working out but have lightened up a lot on my cardio. I do 2-3 HIIT strength training workouts a week and feel awesome. :)

    Yeah I'm just about done listening to the podcast with the guy who wrote the complete guide to fasting and it's fascinating! It's amazing the way your body responds to fasting differently than caloric restriction, definitely something to keep in mind. From a logical perspective it makes sense so I'm going to go with that's the case for now ;)
    I tried to listen to that Jimmy Moore guy yesterday and I won't be listening to anything with him talking any more!! For some reason I found him INCREDIBLY annoying and couldn't listen to a full episode. I'm such a b1tch!! Plus there were so many ads and they were trying to sell supplements and stuff. Um hello - this is fasting - why are you trying to sell me some shake??? Kind of disappointing because I'm getting into listening to podcasts while walking (after the Gin Stephens ones, which I thoroughly enjoyed). Need to find some others... Anyway, just me and my low tolerance level!!

    I do agree that from a logical perspective it all makes sense and I'm going with it for now too!!

    I haven't listened to the Complete Guide to Fasting podcasts because I prefer Dr Fung over Moore's keto-leaniningness. I didn't tolerate it well in the book and I hate ads in podcasts, especially supplements. Hell, even in the book it's said several times about one of the best things about fasting is that it's free and you really don't need to worry about supplements except for extended fasts. They even wrote about the man who fasted 362 days and said he only took a multivitamin and was fine. Lol
  • blambo61
    blambo61 Posts: 4,372 Member
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    minigrrll wrote: »
    mistymeadows2005 wrote: »
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    From my latest understanding about fasting from reading a few books, one of which is the Complete Guide to Fasting, fasting isn't the same as a caloric deficit. Around the 18 hour mark of fasting, the human growth hormone kicks in and stays for two days and that actually helps retain and build muscle. However, there are conflicting views so I honestly don't know. But, I do know that there are a lot of IF body builders, and that's both professional and your average person just wanting to put on lean muscle mass, who do so via intermittent fasting including OMAD. They're all over YouTube, blogs, etc.

    I enjoy working out but have lightened up a lot on my cardio. I do 2-3 HIIT strength training workouts a week and feel awesome. :)

    Yeah I'm just about done listening to the podcast with the guy who wrote the complete guide to fasting and it's fascinating! It's amazing the way your body responds to fasting differently than caloric restriction, definitely something to keep in mind. From a logical perspective it makes sense so I'm going to go with that's the case for now ;)
    I tried to listen to that Jimmy Moore guy yesterday and I won't be listening to anything with him talking any more!! For some reason I found him INCREDIBLY annoying and couldn't listen to a full episode. I'm such a b1tch!! Plus there were so many ads and they were trying to sell supplements and stuff. Um hello - this is fasting - why are you trying to sell me some shake??? Kind of disappointing because I'm getting into listening to podcasts while walking (after the Gin Stephens ones, which I thoroughly enjoyed). Need to find some others... Anyway, just me and my low tolerance level!!

    I do agree that from a logical perspective it all makes sense and I'm going with it for now too!!

    I haven't listened to the Complete Guide to Fasting podcasts because I prefer Dr Fung over Moore's keto-leaniningness. I didn't tolerate it well in the book and I hate ads in podcasts, especially supplements. Hell, even in the book it's said several times about one of the best things about fasting is that it's free and you really don't need to worry about supplements except for extended fasts. They even wrote about the man who fasted 362 days and said he only took a multivitamin and was fine. Lol

    I guarantee that guy lost a lot of muscle though.
  • minigrrll
    minigrrll Posts: 1,590 Member
    edited July 2017
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    minigrrll wrote: »
    mistymeadows2005 wrote: »
    wsandy8512 wrote: »
    From my latest understanding about fasting from reading a few books, one of which is the Complete Guide to Fasting, fasting isn't the same as a caloric deficit. Around the 18 hour mark of fasting, the human growth hormone kicks in and stays for two days and that actually helps retain and build muscle. However, there are conflicting views so I honestly don't know. But, I do know that there are a lot of IF body builders, and that's both professional and your average person just wanting to put on lean muscle mass, who do so via intermittent fasting including OMAD. They're all over YouTube, blogs, etc.

    I enjoy working out but have lightened up a lot on my cardio. I do 2-3 HIIT strength training workouts a week and feel awesome. :)

    Yeah I'm just about done listening to the podcast with the guy who wrote the complete guide to fasting and it's fascinating! It's amazing the way your body responds to fasting differently than caloric restriction, definitely something to keep in mind. From a logical perspective it makes sense so I'm going to go with that's the case for now ;)
    I tried to listen to that Jimmy Moore guy yesterday and I won't be listening to anything with him talking any more!! For some reason I found him INCREDIBLY annoying and couldn't listen to a full episode. I'm such a b1tch!! Plus there were so many ads and they were trying to sell supplements and stuff. Um hello - this is fasting - why are you trying to sell me some shake??? Kind of disappointing because I'm getting into listening to podcasts while walking (after the Gin Stephens ones, which I thoroughly enjoyed). Need to find some others... Anyway, just me and my low tolerance level!!

    I do agree that from a logical perspective it all makes sense and I'm going with it for now too!!

    I haven't listened to the Complete Guide to Fasting podcasts because I prefer Dr Fung over Moore's keto-leaniningness. I didn't tolerate it well in the book and I hate ads in podcasts, especially supplements. Hell, even in the book it's said several times about one of the best things about fasting is that it's free and you really don't need to worry about supplements except for extended fasts. They even wrote about the man who fasted 362 days and said he only took a multivitamin and was fine. Lol

    That's exactly what I was thinking when he started pushing the supplements!!! And totally agree about Dr Fung over Jimmy Moore. I know it sounds really bad and judgy, but the guy is still significantly overweight (afaik)!

    Plus I found his style in the podcasts annoying - he was always trying to make jokes or something and they just didn't work (for me at any rate - maybe just the wrong sense of humour!). He was what I'd call cringeworthy!
  • jvcinv
    jvcinv Posts: 504 Member
    edited July 2017
    minigrrll wrote: »
    That's exactly what I was thinking when he started pushing the supplements!!! And totally agree about Dr Fung over Jimmy Moore. I know it sounds really bad and judgy, but the guy is still significantly overweight (afaik)!

    Plus I found his style in the podcasts annoying - he was always trying to make jokes or something and they just didn't work (for me at any rate - maybe just the wrong sense of humour!). He was what I'd call cringeworthy!
    I had the same reaction to Moore, very cringeworthy.
    Dr. Fung used to be a fairly frequent guest on the show up until a couple months back when he tweeted that he would not longer appear on the podcast or have anything to do with Jimmy Moore. There is something shady about that guy.

  • minigrrll
    minigrrll Posts: 1,590 Member
    jvcinv wrote: »
    minigrrll wrote: »
    That's exactly what I was thinking when he started pushing the supplements!!! And totally agree about Dr Fung over Jimmy Moore. I know it sounds really bad and judgy, but the guy is still significantly overweight (afaik)!

    Plus I found his style in the podcasts annoying - he was always trying to make jokes or something and they just didn't work (for me at any rate - maybe just the wrong sense of humour!). He was what I'd call cringeworthy!
    I had the same reaction to Moore, very cringeworthy.
    Dr. Fung used to be a fairly frequent guest on the show up until a couple months back when he tweeted that he would not longer appear on the podcast or have anything to do with Jimmy Moore. There is something shady about that guy.

    Oh, very interesting. Agreed - definitely something shady... Actually just did a google search on him and it was all quite revealing! I have a very hard time trusting people pushing any therapy, diet, alternative healing etc., when it is so clear that they are making a fair bit of cash from selling supplements, products etc. For some reason that doesn't extend to people selling books - maybe because you buy the book and that's it, there is no further outlay... Of course, as soon as they start selling stuff in the book or appendix - big red flag!
  • mistymeadows2005
    mistymeadows2005 Posts: 3,737 Member
    minigrrll wrote: »
    jvcinv wrote: »
    minigrrll wrote: »
    That's exactly what I was thinking when he started pushing the supplements!!! And totally agree about Dr Fung over Jimmy Moore. I know it sounds really bad and judgy, but the guy is still significantly overweight (afaik)!

    Plus I found his style in the podcasts annoying - he was always trying to make jokes or something and they just didn't work (for me at any rate - maybe just the wrong sense of humour!). He was what I'd call cringeworthy!
    I had the same reaction to Moore, very cringeworthy.
    Dr. Fung used to be a fairly frequent guest on the show up until a couple months back when he tweeted that he would not longer appear on the podcast or have anything to do with Jimmy Moore. There is something shady about that guy.

    Oh, very interesting. Agreed - definitely something shady... Actually just did a google search on him and it was all quite revealing! I have a very hard time trusting people pushing any therapy, diet, alternative healing etc., when it is so clear that they are making a fair bit of cash from selling supplements, products etc. For some reason that doesn't extend to people selling books - maybe because you buy the book and that's it, there is no further outlay... Of course, as soon as they start selling stuff in the book or appendix - big red flag!

    The one I listened to was with some guy named Ben green something... Definitely not a Jimmy Moore LOL funnily enough though I agree the Ben guy was not very interesting and actually kind of aggravating LOL
  • jvcinv
    jvcinv Posts: 504 Member
    Vanguard1 wrote: »
    jvcinv wrote: »
    When you guys talk about %BF what method do you use or recommend?
    Since I was career Army I still use this:
    http://www.calculator.net/army-body-fat-calculator.html
    Although I have heard BF Calipers are more accurate.
    thanks, I'll use this one.

  • barbheart
    barbheart Posts: 433 Member
    I plan to get more exercise as I drop more weight for the time being I am going gentle but I know for sure that I will get into weight training and cardio this with fasting were the 2 missing pieces in my life. ( I lost a lot of volume in Oz when I joined a gymn and trained 2hours a day, it was amazing transformation.).
  • Vanguard1
    Vanguard1 Posts: 388 Member
    edited August 2017
    27 Feb 17 - 225.8
    06 March 17 - 224.2
    13 March 17 - 217.6
    20 March 17 - 214.2
    27 March 17 - 214.3
    31 March 17 - 216
    3 April 17 - 213.3
    10 April 17 - 212.5
    17 April 17 - 212.6
    25 April 17 - 211.2
    7 May 17 - 210.2
    15 May 17 - 212
    22 May 17 - 211.6
    31 May 17- 208.4
    New Scale
    12 July 17 – 219.6
    17 July 17 – 216.4
    24 July 17 – 214.0
    31 July 17 - 216.8
    But... my waist went down 1/2 an inch and body fat reduced to 20% using measurements. I had a rough weekend, missed OMAD on Saturday due a sleepover Birthday party with 15, 11 year old cheerleaders. I made it until 5 PM to start eating, but then I snacked all night. The next morning I fixed breakfast for them all, so I ate too. Hopefully I can keep it under control this week, and get the scale numbers to move!!
  • wsandy8512
    wsandy8512 Posts: 1,897 Member
    Scale doesn't tell the whole story. You're down 20% bf and the 1/2 lost around the waist is awesome!
  • minigrrll
    minigrrll Posts: 1,590 Member
    Fifteen 11 year old cheerleaders sounds very loud to me... :)
  • blambo61
    blambo61 Posts: 4,372 Member
    15 11-yr olds, yikes! Sounds like your putting on some muscle. Congrats!
  • Vanguard1
    Vanguard1 Posts: 388 Member
    27 Feb 17 - 225.8
    06 March 17 - 224.2
    13 March 17 - 217.6
    20 March 17 - 214.2
    27 March 17 - 214.3
    31 March 17 - 216
    3 April 17 - 213.3
    10 April 17 - 212.5
    17 April 17 - 212.6
    25 April 17 - 211.2
    7 May 17 - 210.2
    15 May 17 - 212
    22 May 17 - 211.6
    31 May 17- 208.4
    New Scale
    12 July 17 – 219.6
    17 July 17 – 216.4
    24 July 17 – 214.0
    31 July 17 - 216.8
    7 August 17 - 217.2
    I went into the weekend ahead, but cheated on both Saturday and Sunday.
  • Brendalea69
    Brendalea69 Posts: 3,863 Member
    Today's a new day, just get right back on track...You got this!!!
  • blambo61
    blambo61 Posts: 4,372 Member
    Give it a couple of days and you will be ahead. I almost always gain 2-lbs over the weekend and then it is gone by Tues when I go back on OMAD
  • minigrrll
    minigrrll Posts: 1,590 Member
    It's Tuesday here and my weekend gain is already gone! :)
  • tlblanksfit
    tlblanksfit Posts: 1,573 Member
    woohoo! so happy for you
  • Vanguard1
    Vanguard1 Posts: 388 Member
    Already gone as of this morning, I am still amazed at day to day fluctuations... I was at 215 today.
  • wsandy8512
    wsandy8512 Posts: 1,897 Member
    Wonderful, Jason!
  • jvcinv
    jvcinv Posts: 504 Member
    I notice a very distinct pattern in my weekly fluctuations, Sat I drop 3-4, Monday I gain 2-3, it just depends on my schedule of activity and eating. So to see how I'm doing I compare to the prior week on the same day. It filters out the weekly noise.
  • Brendalea69
    Brendalea69 Posts: 3,863 Member
    Good job!!!
  • Brendalea69
    Brendalea69 Posts: 3,863 Member
    jvcinv wrote: »
    I notice a very distinct pattern in my weekly fluctuations, Sat I drop 3-4, Monday I gain 2-3, it just depends on my schedule of activity and eating. So to see how I'm doing I compare to the prior week on the same day. It filters out the weekly noise.

    Same here, I will show you all a couple of my daily weigh in charts on my maintenance thread :)
  • mistymeadows2005
    mistymeadows2005 Posts: 3,737 Member
    brendagaudette wrote: »
    jvcinv wrote: »
    I notice a very distinct pattern in my weekly fluctuations, Sat I drop 3-4, Monday I gain 2-3, it just depends on my schedule of activity and eating. So to see how I'm doing I compare to the prior week on the same day. It filters out the weekly noise.

    Same here, I will show you all a couple of my daily weigh in charts on my maintenance thread :)

    Agreed... My daily fluctuations up and down are very predictable week-to-week but I always know that I will be to my quote weigh-in weight the day I weigh in... That being said I might have to change it up to Friday depending on my new schedule we'll see lol
  • minigrrll
    minigrrll Posts: 1,590 Member
    I think that is the power of daily weighing - if you can do it for a few months and not freak out over the gains, you definitely see the patterns. Knowing your patterns, takes away the worry over gains.
  • blambo61
    blambo61 Posts: 4,372 Member
    minigrrll wrote: »
    I think that is the power of daily weighing - if you can do it for a few months and not freak out over the gains, you definitely see the patterns. Knowing your patterns, takes away the worry over gains.

    Agree!

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