Mission Slimpossible - December 2020 Team Chat
jugar
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Here is your Team chat room for December 2020. This is where you weigh in every week, post your goals and progress, discuss any issues or topics of interest, share ideas, support your teammates, receive help when you need it, and dream big. Try to post every day, and help each other succeed!
We have six great teams. The group and team leaders are as follows:
Our Moderators:
Liselyn - @jugar
Beka - @Beka3695
Teresa - @TeresaW1020
Megan - @Megan_smartiepants1970
Our Team Captains:
Mission Slimpossibles - @broncobuddee and @TeresaW1020
Trimstones - @mulecanter and @jessicakrall8
Weight No More - @1theresamcvean and @minstrelofsarcasm
Waist Aways - @jugar and @micki48
Shrinking Assets - @Boehle and @beka3695
Downsizers - @lindamtuck2018 and @Megan_smartiepants1970
Our Team Motivators:
Mission Slimpossibles - @AustinRuadhain @katmary71 and @raleighgirl09
Trimstones - @Emmajhare and @angmarie28
Weight No More - @GingerPwr and @KUMEcyclingteam
Waist Aways - @Terytha and @conleywoods
Shrinking Assets - @hipari
Downsizers - @Z10Rtza and @littleflutterby
HOW IT ALL WORKS:
Every challenger weighs in on their chosen day, every week without fail! At the end of each week, the tallies are done to determine the team and individuals with the most weight lost. The best losers are announced with full fanfare every Sunday. The team competition is all in good spirits - may the most losing win!
We also track those small, steady losses with the Green Week count. If you lose, however small an amount, it counts for 1 week in the green. The total will be by month, and cumulative - so you can really rack them up and get to your goal even if you aren't at the top of the weight loss leaderboard.
To make your weigh-in easy to find for your team Captains, please put it right at the top of a message, and use this format:
Username
Weigh In Day
PW (Previous Weight):
CW (Current Weight):
LTD (Loss to Date): your TOTAL loss since your highest weight ever (optional)
If you need a week off, a break, a change of weigh-in day - just ask your Captains here on your team chat page. If you take a break, you are moved to the Support Team. If you miss two weigh-ins in a row without asking for a break, you will be dropped from the team, so be sure to ask if you are travelling, sick, or just needing some time off. You can remain on the Support Team for as long as you need to. You still participate in the discussions and weigh in if you want to, but your weigh-ins will not be counted on the weekly tally.
Once you reach your goal weight, you join the Goal Zone! After hitting your goal, you need support to stay there, and you can help your teammates join you. You continue to weigh in every week, and if you have 2 weeks above your self-defined goal zone, you go back to the regular team to lose that amount before it builds up. You will have a chance to hone those maintenance skills and stick with your team!
In addition to your own team, there are F2F Full Group CHALLENGES. You can do all or none - it's up to you. Participating adds a lot to your success, so we hope to see you there often! These can involve anything fitness, health, or nutrition - and they’ll get you moving, thinking, and learning about this journey. Check the Announcements section for full group challenges.
Let’s show our fellow challengers some F2F love! Introduce yourselves right away, and let the new month begin!!
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Welcome to December everyone!5
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Hello everyone!!! Welcome to our new members - and welcome back returning members!! I am soooo glad you are all here!
I am Teresa one of the Fat2Fit moderators and your Mission Slimpossibles captain along with Mark (@broncobuddee) The Mission Slimpossibles also have three incredible motivators, @AustinRuadhain, @raleighgirl09, and @Katmary71 who work very hard to keep the conversations going and are always willing to give advice and support!
Stuff you need to know!
1)Weekly Weigh-In
Please read the opening post so that you know how to correctly record your weigh-ins so that @broncobuddee can easily find you every week.
2) Check-ins
Along with our weekly weigh-ins, we REALLY encourage our team members to participate in regular check-ins. It’s a great way to stay accountable to yourself and it allows the team to cheer you on and offer support as you need it. Remember the purpose of joining a group like this is not only for accountability to a weigh-in but also because working towards our goals helps when we are surrounded by like-minded people. We are stronger together!!
3) Habit Tracker & Challenges
For added help in your health journey make sure to take advantage of our Habit Tracker and Challenges that you will find on our Home Page. Tracking our habits and doing the challenges will keep you mindful of your choices and help keep you motivated. If you have an idea for a fun challenge then please head over to the Idea Lounge and let them know. “You’ll never change your life until you change something you do daily. The secret of your success is found in your daily routine.” ―John C. Maxwell
Finally, let's get to know each other! Please share your name, where you live, and what brought you here to The Fat 2 Fit Challenge Group. If you have specific goals for this year, please share those as well. We are here to support and cheer you on!
I’ll go ahead with my introduction
As I said above, my name is Teresa! I'm 54-years-old and live in Georgia with my incredible husband, my mom, and our fur baby Maggie Mae. I work as the ministry assistant for my church and am a teacher for our children’s church. My favorite things to do are working jigsaw puzzles while listening to podcasts, searching Pinterest for yummy recipes, hanging out with my husband, playing with my dog, shopping, and going to church. I also love to workout and use Beachbody on Demand programs along with walking on my treadmill.
I’ve struggled with my weight most of my life with lots of ups and downs along the way. In 2018, when my weight was at its highest, I vowed that no matter how many times I stumbled I would NEVER give up on my goal to be at a healthy weight. In 2019, I learned about intermittent fasting and have fully embraced the IF lifestyle. I’ve tweaked my eating plan whenever I feel that I need to and currently I’m doing a mixture of carb cycling and Keto. I have lost over 70 lbs. and am determined to get the last 30 lbs off in 2021 and finally live my life in maintenance, which I know will be a different kind of hard, but so very worth it!
If you are interested in IF, I highly recommend Gin Stephen’s new book, “Fast, Feast, Repeat” and her podcast Intermittent Fasting Stories. I also think everyone should read Dr. Jason Fung’s, “Obesity Code.” It was lifechanging for me! I am passionate about this way of L*IF*E and am happy to talk with you at any time. Just drop me a message! 😉
As your captain, I promise to remain available and supportive! This group means so much to me as does the success of each one of you.
OK…your turn to share!
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@raleighgirl09 I too nearly spit coffee on my computer when I read your stripper pole comment. I do love how you put things. I challenge you to start walking back in the right direction RIGHT NOW. Do one thing this week and build on it. I know you can.
@Katmary71 I admire how determined you are to find the medical help you need.
I am having the worst time sleeping this past week, and I have resumed my terrible habit of eating when I am awake at night. I had managed to stop that, not sure why I started again. That is what I will be working on this week- both sleeping and not eating if I can't.1 -
NOVEMBER CELEBRATIONS
@cafelelia
20 pounds lost
@Azkunk
@Pacsnc6
25 pounds lost
@Case0099
30 pounds lost
@Lelbarou
@Cafelelia
40 pounds lost
@Littleflutterby
50 Pounds lost
@Zumba_luvah
@MandiSaysHey
70 pounds lost
@Goingape
@Beka3695
75 pounds lost
@happimess01
120 pounds lost
@Tazaria87
Under 150
@Anido1
@Angmarie28
@goingape
Under 175
@Bluetail6
@TASCascalho
@beka3695
@Sleepymom5
@kandi3570
Under 250
@Adhmrh
Under 350
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@Katmary71 It's such a lot of work to do Thanksgiving. I'm glad you didn't have to do the dishes on top of cooking. I'm really sorry about the doctor's visit. I know you've been waiting to go and to not find out anything positive must have been disheartening. I really admire your perseverance. Hugs to you.
@apple852hk When I am trying not to snack, I busy myself with a hobby that involves my hands. Reading does it for me but since that doesn't work for you, you might try another hand-related hobby: crocheting, knitting, paint your nails and then pick up the book, sewing. Good luck!
@Cornanda I've had trouble sleeping ever since menopause began. I'm having a little better sleep the past week by taking magnesium powder right before bed, wearing a sleep mask that has speakers in it, and playing sleep stories through it. I'm getting out of bed less and sleeping a bit better. Good luck to you!
@adhmrh Congratulations on getting under 250, you are really inspiring!0 -
PLACE TEAM PERCENTAGE
PLACE TEAM LBS LOSS
PLACE INDIVIDUAL PERCENTAGE
1st @hipari 2.39 %
2nd @lelbarou 2.24%
3rd @goingape 2.10 %
PLACE INDIVIDUAL LBS LOSS
1st @lelbarou 7.6 Lbs
2nd @hipari 5.2 Lbs
3rd @firefly743 4.6 Lbs
HONORABLE MENTIONS
@anido1
@ShowKitten
@shortyjmorgan1
@machchic
@angmarie28
@kiane50
@ells_runs
@gwamajtw91
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PLACE TEAM PERCENTAGE
PLACE TEAM LBS LOSS
PLACE INDIVIDUAL PERCENTAGE
1st @machchic 6.47 %
2nd @lelbarou 5.97%
3rd @Bluetail6 5.93 %
PLACE INDIVIDUAL LBS LOSS
1st @lelbarou 21.0 Lbs
2nd @littleflutterby 14.8 Lbs
3rd @davidji82 13.9 Lbs
HONORABLE MENTIONS
@robros310
@SisuMom2019
@curvycalorie
@kandi3570
@happimess01
@vjsky
@adhmrh
@sleepymom5
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Good Morning Mission Slimpossibles ...You have a new member heading your way ... Please welcome @krea40
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This week's Challenge is UP! And I hope it will help - you'll pick 2 magic numbers to track all week, and post every day about how they are going. You can change during the week if you need to - as long as you track 2 things every day. Check it out!
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10816919/december-week-1-challenge-magic/p1?new=10 -
The Green Challenge Percentage of people who lost weight this week. No matter how small the loss the weights are recorded in green. Remember that even if your team doesn’t rank the highest in weight loss for the week you can still be the Green Percentage winner by having the most losses in your team! So keep it up!!2
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@trooworld thanks for the good suggestion of a habit involving hands.
I'll try folding an origami seamless cube every time I want to eat some chocolate and hope that helps. I normally bite my nails and pick at it - which I know is a really bad habit.
Maybe I'll try finding a advice quote and write it down on the paper and then fold that in a cube.
Let's hope I think that's not too time consuming and just give up and eat chocolate. The whole point is to take my mind somewhere else.
Thanks for the suggestion.
@apple852hk When I am trying not to snack, I busy myself with a hobby that involves my hands. Reading does it for me but since that doesn't work for you, you might try another hand-related hobby: crocheting, knitting, paint your nails and then pick up the book, sewing. Good luck!
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Hi all, sorry I have been AWOL the last few days. We were out of town which was planned, but had an unexpected emergency situation with my Mum. She's ok, but had a scare with an eye ulcer which can apparently turn deadly in the space of a couple of days so she needed to have it looked at urgently - turns out it's just a normal ulcer and it's getting better already but there was a day or so of scariness where we didn't know what was going on.
I know we're in the December thread now, but here's my weigh-in for Friday in any case:
***WEEKLY WEIGH-IN***
TwistedSassette
Weigh in day: Friday
SW: 138.3kg
PW: 134.4kg
CW: 133.8kg
LTD: 4.5kg
LTW: 0.6kg
100 DAY CHALLENGE GOALS
Day 68: Sunday 29 November
1. Log calories eaten: Yes - 45/68
2. 20 mins exercise: Yes - 40/68
3. Record a calorie deficit: No - 35/68
@Firefly743 I loved reading your post about looking back and digging into your data, and figuring out what calorie level works for you. It really is a game of cat and mouse - you've figured out what energy your body needs right now and that is fantastic! I do the same thing, I ignore the level that MFP sets for me and calculate my own requirements based on a calculator which seems to be more accurate for me. But it's all still estimations so all we can do is to do our best and know that we are making healthy choices for our bodies!
@davidji82 What a fantastic weigh-in! You're doing so well.
@adhmrh Congrats on hitting 60 lbs lost - that's an incredible feat!
@gwamajtw91 Great weigh-in - you're definitely back on track!
@krea4 Welcome to the group
Congrats Slimpossibles on our Week 4 victory and 3rd place in November! Wonderful!! Especially considering that many of our group were celebrating Thanksgiving this week, to achieve the weight loss we have as a group is amazing.3 -
@Krea4 welcome to the gang!
@Cornanda @trooworld thank you both for your support, I love Slimpossibles!
Sunday check-in
Exercise- arm cardio, stretching, abs
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I'm not very observant, it just dawned on me that this is a new month's thread!
I'm Kathy, I'm 49 and live in the Sacramento area in CA. I'm disabled and currently dealing with an increase in pain and mobility issues. I have two cats then my boyfriend has two so we're the freaking Brady Bunch these days. He's not working until restrictions ease up and is staying in my spare room and I'm not working so we're basically getting a crash course in getting to know each other right now, I haven't had a roommate in 15 years and never lived with a boyfriend so it's been interesting. I'm not doing very exciting workouts at the moment, mostly arm cardio, arm resistant bands, core, and stretching. I'm doing what I can to keep as much mobility as possible. I'm basically maintaining, I've gained since my pain issues started and would like to lose some of it but my main focus is getting my pain under control. I've been in this group for about one-and-a-half years now and am a motivator (though I've sucked at it lately!) along with @raleighgirl09 and @AustinRuadhain . Let's slay it Slimpossibles, woot woot!4 -
Username: Jactop
Weigh In Day: Monday
PW: 191.6
CW: 191.2
LTD: 33.8 lbs6 -
Good morning Team Slimpossibles!! Are you all ready for a new month and a new week? It can be hard to come off of a big holiday like many of us just did and get our head back in the game so that we can move closer to our goals. I know that I have been on the struggle bus since overindulging on Thursday and this weekend I was only half-hearted in sticking to my plan. Well, that is NOT a good idea for me to continue doing and I know it isn't for you either! We have one more month in this year and I promised myself that I would go into New Year doing exactly what I know I need to be doing. How about you? Are you ready to crush this week? I believe in this team so let's do this!!
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@broncobuddee
AustinRuadhain
Weigh In Day: Monday
Nov 23 Weight 138.9
Nov 30 Weight 136.9
Check-in for Sunday
🟢Food on plan, weighed, logged
🔴Calories in the green
🟢Workout (50+ min)
🟢Breathing exercises
🟢Martial arts forms
🔴Weekly FitRockr Up-a-Level Challenge: didn't make it, but loved having the challenge and will play again this week
Monday Goals
Food on plan, weighed, logged
Calories in the green
Workout (60+ min)
Breathing exercises
Martial arts forms
FitRockr Up-a-Level Challenge Goal - 20%4 -
Howdy, Slimpossibles Challengers! And happy December!
I'm Austin, one of your three Team Motivators, along with the awesome @Katmary71 and @raleighgirl09.
I'm a mom and live with my husband, our teenage son, and a small menagerie (elderly cat, young frisky cat, goldfish, opinionated indoor bird, and a flock of backyard chickens). I love to read both fiction and nonfiction. I study martial arts and love walks (outdoor, indoors with Leslie Sansone etc.) and platform stepping (Jenny Ford on YouTube).
I joined Fat2Fit over 2 years ago, part way through my journey. I have lost over 130 pounds since I started work on losing weight (January 2018), and now work to keep to a healthy weight.
For me, losing weight and now has been a big science experiment, so I am a big fan of tracking food and exercise. I love to read up on things, and have studied habit building and nutritional science as I have worked on losing weight and getting healthier. Every body and every person is different, and I have enjoyed learning more and engaging in the kind of science experiment of figuring out what works for me. For me, losing weight and keeping it off has been and is still all about noticing what habits I have and developing new habits for me, so every so often I burble about habit building!
If you are interested, I especially recommend the work of B.J. Fogg, the professor at the Stanford Behavior Design Lab, whose work has been used to create apps like Instagram, which are arguably habit building machines! He has a book called Tiny Habits, which I love. If you want to reprogram your health and fitness habits, the Tiny Habits system in this book is super simple and practical and unexpectedly (to me) fun. Fogg's team has a weekly free Tiny Habits course to help you build new tiny habits to make your life better!
For inspiration on habits, you could check out the work of James Clear (author of Atomic Habits). He's not a researcher, but he is a great communicator! His talk on How to Get 1% Better Every Day was particularly inspirational to me. He kicks it off this way:
"So if you were able to improve by 1% each day for an entire year... you would end up 37 times better at the end of the year. And if you were to get 1% worse, you would whittle yourself down almost to zero."
I just love that message -- you don't need to change something huge to reach your goals. Start small. Keep making small changes. Persistence will get you there!
My favorite nutrition resource is the nonprofit, research-based site, run by Dr. Michael Greger (author of How Not to Diet): nutritionfacts.org
Cheers,
Austin
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@apple852hk Origami is perfect! You don't want to get chocolate all over your hard work.
@TwistedSassette That sounds super scary! I'm glad your mom is okay. Congrats on the loss!
@AustinRuadhain Wow, great loss, congrats!
Hello everyone. I'm hoping this week's challenge inspires me to drink more liquids, that is one of the things I am highlighting for the week. As far as an introduction, I am 52 yrs old and live with my husband and dog in Southern California. I was always thin until my late 20s. I've been trying to get this weight off since then, I've had some success on WW which I continue to be on to this day (I don't track in MFP). I've got about 65 more lbs to go. My hobbies include crafting, reading (a LOT), hiking (when I am more fit), and photography. Welcome, new people! This is a great place to share your struggles as well as victories!2 -
Good Morning Mission Slimpossibles ....You have another new member heading your way .... Please welcome @RYcare1
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Username: buniphuphu
Weigh In Day: Monday
Week: 1
SW: 345.4
PW: 313.2
CW: 311.4
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Good morning, Slimpossibles! I'm excited to say that Dory found a new pond! I sat down and did several hours worth of research yesterday on places that had indoor pools so I could get back to my swimming. After reading lots of reviews and membership agreements, I found a place just two miles further than my old gym. I went and took a look yesterday and would have joined then, but the woman couldn't find the forms (it was her third day). I'm going back this evening to sign up and swim! My body has been telling me LOUDLY that I need to get back in the pool. My sleep has been awful because I can't get comfortable because of all the pain in my joints.
I've now reached 38.5" lost since the end of September. I was surprised I lost any this week since I haven't been swimming, but I guess I moved enough without the swimming to make progress.
@krea4 and @RYcare Welcome to Mission Slimpossibles! We have a great bunch of people here, and I hope you join in and enjoy your time!
@TwistedSassette I'm glad your mom is on the mend! That sounds like a scary situation!
@Katmary71 You are so inspiring the way you constantly fight and advocate for yourself! Gentle hugs!
@Jactop Great loss! Way to go!
@TeresaW1020 I needed the pep talk in your post! I only overindulged one day, but I've been logging some less than healthy foods instead of healthier choices this week. I need to rein that in before I go full-on-chocobinge!
@AustinRuadhain I looked up FitRockr. That site looks like a lot of fun! I love data analytics, so it's got a lot going for it. I think striving for that new level has really kicked your loss into gear, based on your weigh in!
@trooworld I slacked off a lot during break on drinking water. I need to do better with that, too. I should also remember to get some green tea in once in a while, even though it's not my favorite!
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Sammydee2015 LATE CHECKIN
(Ugh- took me a half hour to figure out I couldn’t post to the Nov challenge cuz it was closed off 😂 ) I have been mia due to an emotional family crisis but mostly on track for healing so able to participate again. (Life throws a curve sometimes and you just have to roll with it. ).
Weight was same on Sunday as it is today
192.6 lbs. Sorry it was too late to be part of our team’s numbers. 😔
Sleeping through the nite has been easy enough, since I was up til the wee hours most nites, and up early in am. Midnight snack attacks did happen but there was a lack of eating during day so it pretty much evened out.
Anything I do fitness wise starting today will be an improvement over last week ( mostly nil) so I won’t bother with comparisons til next week.
Goal for December: enter the New year 5lbs less than it is today, though- given the season- I will still count it a success if I end December with the same Scale & Body measurements as today.
My December overall mantra theme Is BBB : Work to build a healthy mindset by Burning the internal self hate notes, and replacing them in my mental drawer with Beautiful poetry of self love and acceptance.
Bring on the ho Ho HO’s people!
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vegan4lyfe2012
Week 1
Sunday
PW: 196.2
CW: 197.4
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Hi everyone and warm welcome to our new friends!
I’m Gabi, 48, and leave in Northern Virginia. I’ve been married for 24y and have two daughters, 14 and 21. For the longest time I’ve been trying to lose what started with the baby weight but managed to get it back each time and with interest.
This time around I went the slow route and just about when I started to falter, I found this group in August and have been here since. I am on my last 15lb and mainly walking as exercise, so it’s going very slow for me.
True Thanksgiving is over, but cold is here to stay awhile (except where is summer 😁), and bigger holidays are coming , so this month is not going to be easy to keep our heads in the game. Let’s try our best and show up, especially on bad days.
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Welcome to the new members and Haaayyyy to my old buddies! My name is Jennifer and I am a single mom of 3 adult children - son is 25 and in the Navy, oldest daughter is 23 and lives with her husband about an hour south of me, and my youngest daughter is 20. She lives at home and is attending the local community college (online) and working. I work in Community Development for my county in Michigan (been there almost 16 years now), I love to rubber stamp (I’m a Stampin’ Up demo) and make cards and scrapbooks. I'm an active member of my church (Board member), but also love horror movies and books. I've been vegan for close to 9 years, but fell into the usual junk food/fast food/convenience food trap and need to lose about 45 pounds. I had lost 60 pounds several years ago, but 45 of it reattached itself to me like a sea lamprey.
My son was home for 15 days leave (took him back to O'Hare yesterday). It was wonderful! He’s gained a bit of weight since getting back from his last deployment (around 25 lbs), but knows he’ll lose it all again on this next one. He said we were in competition with weight loss – but he cut me some slack since he’s an active 25 year old man and I’m an almost 47 year old sedentary, perimenopausal woman. So we set a mini-goal for me to lose 20 pounds by the time he returns from this next deployment (which will be around June/July). I think it’s do-able.
I will be having rotator cuff surgery next Monday (Dec 7), but I’m hoping my talk-to-text will help to keep me engaged here. I’m looking forward to getting to know our newbies and continue hanging with my OGs
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@vegan4lyfe2012- good luck, thoughts and prayers for you with the surgery!
Hi. I'm Lisa, I live in Florida with my husband. We have two kids 21 and 19 who are supposed to be at college right now, but it's all on line until the end of the semester, so they are home early. The older I get the more weight loss has been a struggle for me. I've been in this group all year and it's definitely not a linear journey for me. I've found a few ingredients for my own personal "secret sauce" for success. Planning to do more work on honing the recipe in 2021. Welcome to the new peeps! Jump right in- share struggles and success. This group is so great for both support and celebration!4 -
I also forgot my intro post! Oops!!
I'm Christie, I live in a small town in New South Wales, Australia with my hubby (we just celebrated our 12th wedding anniversary this last weekend) and our son (who turns two next week) and our beautiful husky, Sabre.
I have always been overweight, even as a child. I have felt a lot of guilt about my weight but more recently realised that the hormone imbalance underlying my PCOS would have been the real culprit there. It's not my fault or anybody's fault, and I'm here now to rectify the damage to my body over the last 30+ years. Over the years, I have yo-yo'ed and tried all kinds of fad diets and regimes. Some things worked, others didn't, and yet after all is said and done I am heavier than I ever was.
After my son was born, I gained about 13kg after hardly gaining during pregnancy. In July this year, I reached my highest ever weight and I knew I couldn't let this continue. I need to be a good, healthy role model for my son. Having learned from past attempts that I have a tendency to jump right in and get overwhelmed, I knew that I needed a better plan of attack, so I am taking it one step at a time and I'm down about 5kg since then. I know that consistency is the key for me, so that's what I'm working on!
I love the support in this group and it's great to have people to give you advice or just commiserate with you and encourage you to not give up!
Welcome to our new team members - you're going to love it here!5 -
@buniphuphu I'm so glad you've found somewhere else to swim! That's so great! Also - fantastic weigh-in this week!!
@vegan4lyfe2012 Good luck with the surgery. I hope that you have a speedy recovery!
@SammyDee2015 I love your mantra - great idea! I think I will need to come up with a monthly mantra too.
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Quick update from me. Hubby came home from harvest at his family's farm yesterday so after work I took my Mum back home to her farm too (2.5 hours of driving after work - wasn't ideal but was necessary). Her eye is looking and feeling a lot better so hopefully that continues as long as she stays out of the dust like she's supposed to! Thank you for your kind thoughts.
100 DAY CHALLENGE GOALS
Day 69: Monday 30 November
1. Log calories eaten: Yes - 46/69
2. 20 mins exercise: No (only managed 15!) - 40/69
3. Record a calorie deficit: Yes - 36/693
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