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  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    Here's my contribution: tonight's dessert
    ((Awesome Dessert Picture))

    I Am Not Worthy!!!.
    Way TO Raise The Bar!
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member

    Ohhh myyyy.....I need to step it up.

    What is it?
    Angel food cake: 150cals
    Frozen Strawberries: 50cals (the season for fresh strawberries is over up here :sad: )
    Chapmans Black Jack Cherry Frozen Yogurt 1 cup 240cals
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
    Brainy Burro, I noticed on your post that you talked about how our macro goals are fixed and that it is incorrect that MFP increases them with exercise. I guess I knew that, but I never really thought about what it meant. I certainly knew that we didn't need to worry about meeting the fiber increases. But if I am understanding it right: after meeting our fixed protein, fat, micro, fiber goals, there is no need to worry about balancing the 'exercise/discretionary calories? Or should we should be increasing our macros equally?
  • MinimalistShoeAddict
    MinimalistShoeAddict Posts: 1,946 Member
    Not sure if this is appropriate to post here but here is my last timed attempt at eating an entire pizza:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HXMyHSd-ws

    I was in maintenance at the time and the pizza fit into my weekly calorie and macro targets nicely.

    This week my diet is more controlled but I will repeat the challenge again one day next week (after my marathon) when I hope to break the 10 minute pizza barrier.
  • BrainyBurro
    BrainyBurro Posts: 6,129 Member
    Brainy Burro, I noticed on your post that you talked about how our macro goals are fixed and that it is incorrect that MFP increases them with exercise. I guess I knew that, but I never really thought about what it meant. I certainly knew that we didn't need to worry about meeting the fiber increases. But if I am understanding it right: after meeting our fixed protein, fat, micro, fiber goals, there is no need to worry about balancing the 'exercise/discretionary calories? Or should we should be increasing our macros equally?

    MFP assumes those extra calories should be allocated according to the same ratios you have set for your other calories. i don't view it that way. those calories are completely discretionary to me. if i was eating them back, i'd try to eat more fat to get closer to the standard recommendation for my body weight, but other than that... i wouldn't worry about how they are allocated.

    here are the standard rules. i don't follow the fat rule because it's just a bit too much for me (i don't want to eat 800 calories of fat per day and have fats set to 50% of my intake). i do attempt to meet my protein goal. that's important to me for LBM retention.

    minimum daily fats = 0.35g/lb of bodyweight
    daily protein = 0.8g/lb of LBM

    LBM = (100%-BF%) x bodyweight

    these goals are functions of your bodyweight and BF%. going for a 2.5 hour walk at the end of the day doesn't magically make my body need another 70g of protein if i've already met my daily goal. that's just a waste of protein, especially if i am drinking a protein shake to get it (a 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition gold standard whey goes for about $110). so you can do whatever you want to do with those discretionary calories at the end of the day. :)

    as i lose more weight, i will try to keep my fat intake around the same level though, so that macro will slowly increase from the current 30% setting.
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member
    Brainy Burro, I noticed on your post that you talked about how our macro goals are fixed and that it is incorrect that MFP increases them with exercise. I guess I knew that, but I never really thought about what it meant. I certainly knew that we didn't need to worry about meeting the fiber increases. But if I am understanding it right: after meeting our fixed protein, fat, micro, fiber goals, there is no need to worry about balancing the 'exercise/discretionary calories? Or should we should be increasing our macros equally?

    MFP assumes those extra calories should be allocated according to the same ratios you have set for your other calories. i don't view it that way. those calories are completely discretionary to me. if i was eating them back, i'd try to eat more fat to get closer to the standard recommendation for my body weight, but other than that... i wouldn't worry about how they are allocated.

    here are the standard rules. i don't follow the fat rule because it's just a bit too much for me (i don't want to eat 800 calories of fat per day and have fats set to 50% of my intake). i do attempt to meet my protein goal. that's important to me for LBM retention.

    minimum daily fats = 0.35g/lb of bodyweight
    daily protein = 0.8g/lb of LBM

    LBM = (100%-BF%) x bodyweight

    these goals are functions of your bodyweight and BF%. going for a 2.5 hour walk at the end of the day doesn't magically make my body need another 70g of protein if i've already met my daily goal. that's just a waste of protein, especially if i am drinking a protein shake to get it (a 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition gold standard whey goes for about $110). so you can do whatever you want to do with those discretionary calories at the end of the day. :)

    I have a question about that - what if you calorie cycle? Would you still aim to hit the same protein & fat target or base it on a percentage? Or would you just eat less carbs on a lower day? Sorry if its a silly question, i just never figured how one did macros while calorie cycling.
  • BrainyBurro
    BrainyBurro Posts: 6,129 Member
    Brainy Burro, I noticed on your post that you talked about how our macro goals are fixed and that it is incorrect that MFP increases them with exercise. I guess I knew that, but I never really thought about what it meant. I certainly knew that we didn't need to worry about meeting the fiber increases. But if I am understanding it right: after meeting our fixed protein, fat, micro, fiber goals, there is no need to worry about balancing the 'exercise/discretionary calories? Or should we should be increasing our macros equally?

    MFP assumes those extra calories should be allocated according to the same ratios you have set for your other calories. i don't view it that way. those calories are completely discretionary to me. if i was eating them back, i'd try to eat more fat to get closer to the standard recommendation for my body weight, but other than that... i wouldn't worry about how they are allocated.

    here are the standard rules. i don't follow the fat rule because it's just a bit too much for me (i don't want to eat 800 calories of fat per day and have fats set to 50% of my intake). i do attempt to meet my protein goal. that's important to me for LBM retention.

    minimum daily fats = 0.35g/lb of bodyweight
    daily protein = 0.8g/lb of LBM

    LBM = (100%-BF%) x bodyweight

    these goals are functions of your bodyweight and BF%. going for a 2.5 hour walk at the end of the day doesn't magically make my body need another 70g of protein if i've already met my daily goal. that's just a waste of protein, especially if i am drinking a protein shake to get it (a 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition gold standard whey goes for about $110). so you can do whatever you want to do with those discretionary calories at the end of the day. :)

    I have a question about that - what if you calorie cycle? Would you still aim to hit the same protein & fat target or base it on a percentage? Or would you just eat less carbs on a lower day? Sorry if its a silly question, i just never figured how one did macros while calorie cycling.

    i don't calorie cycle. at least not intentionally. it's an idea borrowed from the body building world and being applied to weight loss for non-bodybuilders. in my personal opinion, it's more broscience than actual science. as i understand it, it's more of a strategy to control appetite than anything else, so i don't see it as necessary for my weight loss. *shrugs*

    all that said, your protein and fat goals are goals you should try to meet every day, even on low calorie days. so i guess if you're calorie cycling, you should preferentially eat foods high in fat and protein on those low calorie days to get as close to your goals as you can.

    1g protein = 1g carbs = approx. 4 calories
    1g fat = approx. 9 calories
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
    Brainy Burro, I noticed on your post that you talked about how our macro goals are fixed and that it is incorrect that MFP increases them with exercise. I guess I knew that, but I never really thought about what it meant. I certainly knew that we didn't need to worry about meeting the fiber increases. But if I am understanding it right: after meeting our fixed protein, fat, micro, fiber goals, there is no need to worry about balancing the 'exercise/discretionary calories? Or should we should be increasing our macros equally?

    MFP assumes those extra calories should be allocated according to the same ratios you have set for your other calories. i don't view it that way. those calories are completely discretionary to me. if i was eating them back, i'd try to eat more fat to get closer to the standard recommendation for my body weight, but other than that... i wouldn't worry about how they are allocated.

    here are the standard rules. i don't follow the fat rule because it's just a bit too much for me (i don't want to eat 800 calories of fat per day and have fats set to 50% of my intake). i do attempt to meet my protein goal. that's important to me for LBM retention.

    minimum daily fats = 0.35g/lb of bodyweight
    daily protein = 0.8g/lb of LBM

    LBM = (100%-BF%) x bodyweight

    these goals are functions of your bodyweight and BF%. going for a 2.5 hour walk at the end of the day doesn't magically make my body need another 70g of protein if i've already met my daily goal. that's just a waste of protein, especially if i am drinking a protein shake to get it (a 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition gold standard whey goes for about $110). so you can do whatever you want to do with those discretionary calories at the end of the day. :)

    as i lose more weight, i will try to keep my fat intake around the same level though, so that macro will slowly increase from the current 30% setting.
    That's good to know. I set my macros on that calculation above a few months ago, but with eating back exercise calories I've been struggling to hit the higher protein goals MFP sets. As an example, today, (yesterday now, I guess), I had 150 grams of protein and it still wanted me to choke back another 11 grams. Realistically I shouldn't need more than 120 or so. I've been thinking something was wonky but I wasn't sure what it was.
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    I am sitting in my lab diabolically plotting the next "nasty" thing I am going to eat - muwahh hah hah! :smokin:
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member
    I am sitting in my lab diabolically plotting the next "nasty" thing I am going to eat - muwahh hah hah! :smokin:

    I had a latte & a donut. And used up almost all my carb allowance for the day.


    I think I'm doing this wrong....
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    Just me saying...

    I am just worrying about total calories for the day. The macros will work out. Some days I am ultra high carb... some days I am less than 100. I just keep an eye on getting enough protein.

    so.. in my book.. You are cool! :drinker: :glasses:
    I am sitting in my lab diabolically plotting the next "nasty" thing I am going to eat - muwahh hah hah! :smokin:

    I had a latte & a donut. And used up almost all my carb allowance for the day.


    I think I'm doing this wrong....
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member
    You're officially my favorite person on here :love:

    K, so calories & protein I shall worry about. Everything else can go scoot. I knew I was overthinking this. Thanks! :drinker:
    Just me saying...

    I am just worrying about total calories for the day. The macros will work out. Some days I am ultra high carb... some days I am less than 100. I just keep an eye on getting enough protein.

    so.. in my book.. You are cool! :drinker: :glasses:
    I am sitting in my lab diabolically plotting the next "nasty" thing I am going to eat - muwahh hah hah! :smokin:

    I had a latte & a donut. And used up almost all my carb allowance for the day.


    I think I'm doing this wrong....
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    @LadyKT - You gotta love the Devils!

    This is riot challenge! However I am afraid we will all start thinking like that crazy "Mensa Donkey" :drinker: :laugh:
    You're officially my favorite person on here :love:

    K, so calories & protein I shall worry about. Everything else can go scoot. I knew I was overthinking this. Thanks! :drinker:
    Just me saying...

    I am just worrying about total calories for the day. The macros will work out. Some days I am ultra high carb... some days I am less than 100. I just keep an eye on getting enough protein.

    so.. in my book.. You are cool! :drinker: :glasses:
    I am sitting in my lab diabolically plotting the next "nasty" thing I am going to eat - muwahh hah hah! :smokin:

    I had a latte & a donut. And used up almost all my carb allowance for the day.


    I think I'm doing this wrong....
  • BrainyBurro
    BrainyBurro Posts: 6,129 Member
    You're officially my favorite person on here :love:

    K, so calories & protein I shall worry about. Everything else can go scoot. I knew I was overthinking this. Thanks! :drinker:
    Just me saying...

    I am just worrying about total calories for the day. The macros will work out. Some days I am ultra high carb... some days I am less than 100. I just keep an eye on getting enough protein.

    so.. in my book.. You are cool! :drinker: :glasses:
    I am sitting in my lab diabolically plotting the next "nasty" thing I am going to eat - muwahh hah hah! :smokin:

    I had a latte & a donut. And used up almost all my carb allowance for the day.


    I think I'm doing this wrong....

    fats and protein are important. carbs are irrelevant unless you have a medical condition that requires monitoring them.

    step 1: determine your correct required macro intake
    step 2: eat a mix of foods to fulfill those macros
    step 3: any extra calories leftover (while still under your daily goal) are free for whatever you want
    step 4: don't fret too much about daily averages. if you're a little over or a little under one day, you can average it out over the next couple of days. this is why some people worry about their 7-day rolling averages more than their daily average.

    i keep a separate spreadsheet that i fill out each day in conjunction with the MFP diaries so that i can instantly see my cumulative calories in, calories out, cardio calories, fats, and protein for the month, as well as the averages. i may post a screenshot of it here later today if anyone is interested. it's very easy to keep going on the side and it allows me to see the bigger picture as i'm completing each day.
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member

    fats and protein are important. carbs are irrelevant unless you have a medical condition that requires monitoring them.

    step 1: determine your correct required macro intake
    step 2: eat a mix of foods to fulfill those macros
    step 3: any extra calories leftover (while still under your daily goal) are free for whatever you want
    step 4: don't fret too much about daily averages. if you're a little over or a little under one day, you can average it out over the next couple of days. this is why some people worry about their 7-day rolling averages more than their daily average.

    ^^^ This - Totally diggin your approach! :drinker:
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member

    fats and protein are important. carbs are irrelevant unless you have a medical condition that requires monitoring them.

    step 1: determine your correct required macro intake
    step 2: eat a mix of foods to fulfill those macros
    step 3: any extra calories leftover (while still under your daily goal) are free for whatever you want
    step 4: don't fret too much about daily averages. if you're a little over or a little under one day, you can average it out over the next couple of days. this is why some people worry about their 7-day rolling averages more than their daily average.

    i keep a separate spreadsheet that i fill out each day in conjunction with the MFP diaries so that i can instantly see my cumulative calories in, calories out, cardio calories, fats, and protein for the month, as well as the averages. i may post a screenshot of it here later today if anyone is interested. it's very easy to keep going on the side and it allows me to see the bigger picture as i'm completing each day.

    I *think* I figured that all out...

    TDEE for me (according to the Scooby site - that seems to be the most accurate[?]) is 1763, so TDEE-20% = 1410 (however, this is without exercise - once I'm feeling better and can attack the gym, i'll readjust those numbers, or eat up to TDEE, but TDEE sounds about right if I work out, but I know TDEE will change if I am working out - but if i'm active ~1750 cals sounds right for what I do)

    Protein - per lb of LBM, so if i'm 30% BF (give or take), my protein works out to be 153*.7 = 107gms or 107*4=428 cals a day
    Fats - .35 per LBM, so 107*.65 = 69 gms or 69*9 =621 cals a day

    Sooo....1410-428-621 = 361 cals, or 361/4 = ~90 grams of carbs per day.

    That sounds about right, yes?
  • BrainyBurro
    BrainyBurro Posts: 6,129 Member

    fats and protein are important. carbs are irrelevant unless you have a medical condition that requires monitoring them.

    step 1: determine your correct required macro intake
    step 2: eat a mix of foods to fulfill those macros
    step 3: any extra calories leftover (while still under your daily goal) are free for whatever you want
    step 4: don't fret too much about daily averages. if you're a little over or a little under one day, you can average it out over the next couple of days. this is why some people worry about their 7-day rolling averages more than their daily average.

    i keep a separate spreadsheet that i fill out each day in conjunction with the MFP diaries so that i can instantly see my cumulative calories in, calories out, cardio calories, fats, and protein for the month, as well as the averages. i may post a screenshot of it here later today if anyone is interested. it's very easy to keep going on the side and it allows me to see the bigger picture as i'm completing each day.

    I *think* I figured that all out...

    TDEE for me (according to the Scooby site - that seems to be the most accurate[?]) is 1763, so TDEE-20% = 1410 (however, this is without exercise - once I'm feeling better and can attack the gym, i'll readjust those numbers, or eat up to TDEE, but TDEE sounds about right if I work out, but I know TDEE will change if I am working out - but if i'm active ~1750 cals sounds right for what I do)

    Protein - per lb of LBM, so if i'm 30% BF (give or take), my protein works out to be 153*.7 = 107gms or 107*4=428 cals a day
    Fats - .35 per LBM, so 107*.65 = 69 gms or 69*9 =621 cals a day

    Sooo....1410-428-621 = 361 cals, or 361/4 = ~90 grams of carbs per day.

    That sounds about right, yes?

    fats are per bodyweight, not LBM, so 54g for you.

    153 x 0.35 = 54g
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member

    fats and protein are important. carbs are irrelevant unless you have a medical condition that requires monitoring them.

    step 1: determine your correct required macro intake
    step 2: eat a mix of foods to fulfill those macros
    step 3: any extra calories leftover (while still under your daily goal) are free for whatever you want
    step 4: don't fret too much about daily averages. if you're a little over or a little under one day, you can average it out over the next couple of days. this is why some people worry about their 7-day rolling averages more than their daily average.

    i keep a separate spreadsheet that i fill out each day in conjunction with the MFP diaries so that i can instantly see my cumulative calories in, calories out, cardio calories, fats, and protein for the month, as well as the averages. i may post a screenshot of it here later today if anyone is interested. it's very easy to keep going on the side and it allows me to see the bigger picture as i'm completing each day.

    I *think* I figured that all out...

    TDEE for me (according to the Scooby site - that seems to be the most accurate[?]) is 1763, so TDEE-20% = 1410 (however, this is without exercise - once I'm feeling better and can attack the gym, i'll readjust those numbers, or eat up to TDEE, but TDEE sounds about right if I work out, but I know TDEE will change if I am working out - but if i'm active ~1750 cals sounds right for what I do)

    Protein - per lb of LBM, so if i'm 30% BF (give or take), my protein works out to be 153*.7 = 107gms or 107*4=428 cals a day
    Fats - .35 per LBM, so 107*.65 = 69 gms or 69*9 =621 cals a day

    Sooo....1410-428-621 = 361 cals, or 361/4 = ~90 grams of carbs per day.

    That sounds about right, yes?

    fats are per bodyweight, not LBM, so 54g for you.

    153 x 0.35 = 54g

    I knew that number seemed off. My diary on here has it correct then.
  • BrainyBurro
    BrainyBurro Posts: 6,129 Member

    fats and protein are important. carbs are irrelevant unless you have a medical condition that requires monitoring them.

    step 1: determine your correct required macro intake
    step 2: eat a mix of foods to fulfill those macros
    step 3: any extra calories leftover (while still under your daily goal) are free for whatever you want
    step 4: don't fret too much about daily averages. if you're a little over or a little under one day, you can average it out over the next couple of days. this is why some people worry about their 7-day rolling averages more than their daily average.

    i keep a separate spreadsheet that i fill out each day in conjunction with the MFP diaries so that i can instantly see my cumulative calories in, calories out, cardio calories, fats, and protein for the month, as well as the averages. i may post a screenshot of it here later today if anyone is interested. it's very easy to keep going on the side and it allows me to see the bigger picture as i'm completing each day.

    I *think* I figured that all out...

    TDEE for me (according to the Scooby site - that seems to be the most accurate[?]) is 1763, so TDEE-20% = 1410 (however, this is without exercise - once I'm feeling better and can attack the gym, i'll readjust those numbers, or eat up to TDEE, but TDEE sounds about right if I work out, but I know TDEE will change if I am working out - but if i'm active ~1750 cals sounds right for what I do)

    Protein - per lb of LBM, so if i'm 30% BF (give or take), my protein works out to be 153*.7 = 107gms or 107*4=428 cals a day
    Fats - .35 per LBM, so 107*.65 = 69 gms or 69*9 =621 cals a day

    Sooo....1410-428-621 = 361 cals, or 361/4 = ~90 grams of carbs per day.

    That sounds about right, yes?

    fats are per bodyweight, not LBM, so 54g for you.

    153 x 0.35 = 54g

    I knew that number seemed off. My diary on here has it correct then.

    here's a link about the importance of fats. i just skimmed it and it seems ok, but there may be one or two suggestions on there that i personally don't follow, so caveat emptor (even though it's free).

    http://cals.arizona.edu/pubs/health/az1126.html
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
    I also look at things from a weekly perspective, but have not documented it.I just glance at the weekly reports from here, but I should probably start writing it down properly. Looking at weeks instead of individual days allows even more flexibility in planning dinners out, movie nights and other special occasions. As for the fat, I am so glad that the fat free diet fads of the 90's seem to have mostly passed and that fat has been given its proper place again (not that there isn't some great low fat or fat free foods like yogurt that i still enjoy).But they just can't seems to make good fat free cheese and low fat margarine is pretty disgusting. I like using real butter again not feeling guilty. :drinker:
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    I like using real butter again not feeling guilty. :drinker:

    ^^^ This - Totally! :drinker:
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member
    I like using real butter again not feeling guilty. :drinker:

    ^^^ This - Totally! :drinker:

    Agreed! I try to stay away from anything listed 'low fat'. I don't trust the chemicals.
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    Speaking of non Low fat
    Mid Morning Snack and Lunch!

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  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    This made me so sad.... it really made me sad because a year ago I would have enthusiastically joined up:

    challengeMad_zps55ccb9f2.jpg

    Here are some excerpts from posts - What A CONTRAST to this challenge:

    Challenge accepted!
    Current: 158
    Nov. 1st: 150
    Changing my workouts from 4 days a week to 6
    No Iced coffee drinks or pizza.

    What day is weigh in day?
    Hi and welcome. I am also trying to drop 25 pounds and it would be great if it happened before Christmas. Started a competition at work to see who could lose the most weight. And this group will give me motivation at home to stick to the 1200 calorie diet. Im planning my meals the day before so I know exactly what Im eating
    ok im going to try and do a 14 day cabala diet.... eek... its a serious commitment but im willing to b a guinea pig. 14 days
    lose 8 pounds by november 1st.

    Rules:

    weekly weigh in
    and choose to exercise minimum of 4 times a week.
    Choose one thing in your diet that doesnt work for you and cut it out this month
    Challenge accepted. I think it will work better for me if I verbalize my cut out items. I won't be eating any sweets ... Like cake cookies candy or pie . Seems Like a "duh" for losing weight but I think a month without those things at all will be challenging.

    yes thats exactly my point. my first personal challenge is a big one... im ging to do the 14 day cabal juice fast ... its going to help me change some psychological stuff around food more than anything else. i ordered a colonic kit today to go with it...

    I just joined a gym, and had 3 days in a row so far working out at least 20 minutes each day!! and as far as cutting out stuff, I will cut half my portions. does that count?

    Challenge accepted !! DIETING is probably going to be the worse but I know I can do it! When will there be weigh ins? I just started going back to the gym today.. So officially I will start tmrw :)) I was gonna just work out 3 times a week but 4 is perfectly fine.
    & I will take out sodas & any sweet drinks

    Oh no, giving up a food? ;) It's something I could definitely use. Man, this is hard though... I think that I'll give up sweets. No chocolate, no dessert, minimal sugar. I also should be watching my carbs.

    I actually started my diet on Monday with a goal of losing 20-30 lbs by Christmas. I will accept challenge #1 - for me its no pepsi & junk food....also I'm committing to at least 30 mins a day to workout & I've got to drink more water. I HATE water, but I know it's importrant to loosing weight. I've gotten up to 5 glasses a day - which is saying alot for me.

    Current weight- 182 lbs
    Goal for Nov 1st- 174 lbs
    Exercise- walk 40 minutes/5 days a week, WiiFit
    No fast food or ordering/eating out

    Challenge accepted!

    One thing I would like to cut out is my love of white rice. I will do brown, but cut that to only a couple times a week. I will be cooking home more regularly!

    Here we go!!
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member
    Oh my, Chevy. That thread sounds like a bunch of teenage girls. Sad indeed.
  • BrainyBurro
    BrainyBurro Posts: 6,129 Member
    yep!

    sad.

    misguided.

    misinformed.

    ...but after a year on here, i've pretty much given up trying to help the derpers in the regular forums, so there's no chance i'd bother going into their private group to tell them there is another way. there are only so many 1200 calorie or raspberry ketone threads you can reply too before you become apathetic. i'm at that stage.
  • Chevy_Quest
    Chevy_Quest Posts: 2,012 Member
    @LadyKT

    What is even sadder most of the people older than that..... wow!
    Oh my, Chevy. That thread sounds like a bunch of teenage girls. Sad indeed.
  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member
    @LadyKT

    What is even sadder most of the people older than that..... wow!
    Oh my, Chevy. That thread sounds like a bunch of teenage girls. Sad indeed.

    No!!!!! The kool aid...it need not be drunk!
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
    Wow, that's quite the thread. I had to google cabala diet. No surprise there. It's juice fast to cleanse the TOXINZ! Complete with a colonic kit. :sick: And cutting out all chocolate, sweets, candy, cookies, pizza and ice cream. Sounds like the makings for a real happy Halloween and festive Thanksgiving. What a miserable way to spend the weeks and month preceding the holiday season. And what's sad is that with the Biggest Loser starting next week, it will get worse, because people with that same quick fix, torture yourself mentality are gonna be thinking that it's perfectly reasonably to expect to drop 10lbs a week. I do watch it occasionally, but I despise the premise and am highly annoyed that they spend zero time teaching the viewers or contestants anything about moderation or sustainability.
  • MinimalistShoeAddict
    MinimalistShoeAddict Posts: 1,946 Member
    Speaking of non Low fat
    Mid Morning Snack and Lunch!

    131002total_zpsceeb6bcc.jpg

    Delicious!

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