EPLWE! general chit chat thread.
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Here's a wonderful example of what all that clean eating advice is doing. This poor girl's afraid to eat anything anymore. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1122422-so-basically-i-can-have-water?page=1#posts-17395139I feel sorry for that OP, so much conflicting advice....
And I sense that she is really trying. The ones that get me are the people that tell people to automatically eat 1200 calories no matter what. I have to take a "deep breath" LOL0 -
I haven't posted any dessert pics in a while:
This is tonight's homemade Apple Crisp with Caramel Pecan ice cream.
Edited for gi-normous pic.0 -
<< in response to the wickedly tasty looking dessert >>
and the results:
USA - 10, China - 8, Russia, 9, GB - 10, France - 8, East Germany - 3 (Awww c'mon)
Picture gets the GOLD!0 -
so i guess it's just 3 of us in here... i wonder if anyone is lurking and reading, but not participating. if so, they should post and let us know we're not just spinning our wheels here.
cindy & chevy, i can make you both moderators if you want. i don't plan on doing a November 2013 challenge, but there is no reason not to keep the group open/active after October if you feel like doing more challenges. i might do one in December.
i was thinking of posting in Success Stories the results of my October challenge, but now i'm thinking i might just do a blog post instead.0 -
I'm up for doing something in November. December too, as long as it doesnt involve fruitcake.:sick: I still haven't done the 'ten foods you should never eat' in one day, and I'm intrigued with Jonnythan's eat 50% of your calories from cookies challenge that was discussed in one of the forums, forget which one, but sounds like a fun experiment. :bigsmile: What are your thoughts for November, Chevy?so i guess it's just 3 of us in here... i wonder if anyone is lurking and reading, but not participating. if so, they should post and let us know we're not just spinning our wheels here.
cindy & chevy, i can make you both moderators if you want. i don't plan on doing a November 2013 challenge, but there is no reason not to keep the group open/active after October if you feel like doing more challenges. i might do one in December.
i was thinking of posting in Success Stories the results of my October challenge, but now i'm thinking i might just do a blog post instead.0 -
I'm up for doing something in November. December too, as long as it doesnt involve fruitcake.:sick: I still haven't done the 'ten foods you should never eat' in one day, and I'm intrigued with Jonnythan's eat 50% of your calories from cookies challenge that was discussed in one of the forums, forget which one, but sounds like a fun experiment. :bigsmile: What are your thoughts for November, Chevy?so i guess it's just 3 of us in here... i wonder if anyone is lurking and reading, but not participating. if so, they should post and let us know we're not just spinning our wheels here.
cindy & chevy, i can make you both moderators if you want. i don't plan on doing a November 2013 challenge, but there is no reason not to keep the group open/active after October if you feel like doing more challenges. i might do one in December.
i was thinking of posting in Success Stories the results of my October challenge, but now i'm thinking i might just do a blog post instead.
@Brainy , @Cindy - I am in for November. Just Give Cindy and I the keys and we won't try to run the car off the road :drinker:
I like this place because it is a "refuge" from other parts of the boards. Most people think we are heathens and heretics and deranged. However.. this group has helped me to get rid of the "f--d up" thinking I had about food.
Plus... I want to show that I can eat the "forbidden" foods and
1. Gradually lose weight
2. Increase my VO2 max
3. etc. etc. etc.
Plus I just get all giddy about posting "food porn" pics LOL :smokin:0 -
Something I posted last night (I admit that I took a "shot" at the derps and belligerent "in denial" OPs
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http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1126988-beating-a-dead-horse-about-cheat-days-and-logging
There are a whole lot of posts about cheat days and logging. First I realize that even if you ate exactly where the green ended and the red bar of death started MFP builds in a deficit based on your settings. Look under goals and you will see a daily calorie deficit. I did not put "two and two" together until I read a lot of posts.
I have finally knuckled down and I log everything even on my worst days. This is the only way I am going to learn. I used to be a "serial sweep it under the carpet and start again for the 247th time" kind of guy --- no more!
The other lesson I just learned was about fooling myself with green vs. red days. September I did well and lost a little over 2 lbs. I had 25 green days and five red days. (I am trying to lose 1-2 lbs per month).
This month I got a little "sloppy" and I had a "wake up call" As of this weekend i had 5 red days already and knew I had dug a hole. A hole to the tune of -2994 calories. I probably will gain a little bit this month.
I was telling myself I am going to be about 24 Green 6 Red - that is great. But here is the hook...
1. I am making sure that my Net cals do not go underneath my BMR so I am trying to Net 100-400 Green every day.
2. I threw caution to the wind on my "few" red days and totally, I mean totally erased my gains.
3. That means I cannot make up for the red with the green - there are not enough days in the month.
Here is an example of what can happen - It opened my eyes!
We see all these posts written (in all caps) "Why can't I lose weight... I am working out and burning 800 calories per day and I am always eating at green"
Veterans reply to the post and say: "Perhaps you are not accurately logging everything... or maybe you are overestimating calorie burns.. and... just asking... "By the way... I noticed that you did not log a few days here and there?"
Usually these threads get ugly with people being called "mean" because they are questioning the "honesty" of the OP.
Many of us here log everything because we are trying to understand what causes us to "get off track" and how to make a permanent lifestyle change.
Just some thoughts --- good luck everyone!0 -
Well, I put out an invitation on my wall and in a thread, so we'll see if we get any new members for next month. The beach body coaches have better luck getting members with their clean eating challenges, I think. :sad:
The forums have been very sad today. There are at least three ongoing threads promoting eating under 1200 calories and I then there're these gems: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1128074-is-sugar-more-evil-than-fat
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1127414-skipping-thanksgiving
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1127905-i-feel-terrible-about-my-cheat-meal-last-night
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Well, I put out an invitation on my wall and in a thread, so we'll see if we get any new members for next month. The beach body coaches have better luck getting members with their clean eating challenges, I think. :sad: The forums have been very sad today. There are at least three ongoing threads promoting eating under 1200 calories and I then there're these gems: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1128074-is-sugar-more-evil-than-fat
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1127414-skipping-thanksgiving
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1127905-i-feel-terrible-about-my-cheat-meal-last-night
*sigh*
this is what i mean when i tell people that the #1 issue on MFP is food-related. there are so many people with disordered thinking about food on here. there is a name for it (orthorexia nervosa) and it's why i have a particular dislike for people pushing eating "strategies" such as clean-eating and paleo... those strategies just reinforce errant notions about food and they can actually lead some obsessive people into real eating disorders.0 -
Well, I put out an invitation on my wall and in a thread, so we'll see if we get any new members for next month. The beach body coaches have better luck getting members with their clean eating challenges, I think. :sad: The forums have been very sad today. There are at least three ongoing threads promoting eating under 1200 calories and I then there're these gems: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1128074-is-sugar-more-evil-than-fat
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1127414-skipping-thanksgiving
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1127905-i-feel-terrible-about-my-cheat-meal-last-night
*sigh*
Hi dere. Saw your post and figured I already eat ice cream most nights, why not aim for all the nights? I like having meaningful goals. :bigsmile:0 -
Yay! *happy dance* Welcome! I've smiled so many times at your no nonsense forum posts. You are so inspiring!Hi dere. Saw your post and figured I already eat ice cream most nights, why not aim for all the nights? I like having meaningful goals. :bigsmile:0 -
HEY guys! So I'm so awesome that I'm in the Biggest Loser competition you guys LOVE so much, and I wanna join the party over here simultaneously with eating either chocolate or ice cream every day :bigsmile: Sadly, my BL team doesn't seem to be all that serious about trying to lose weight seeing how we were the second to last team in terms of loss last week(NOT my fault, I joined it late and still managed to drop a pound).0
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Welcome! :flowerforyou: I was in a Biggest Loser challenge in January, you take what inspiration you can from it and leave the rest. They can be fun. Feel free to start a new topic and introduce yourself. Brainyburro, Chevysmart and I post pretty much daily on our threads, and discuss our strategies, goals and thoughts. I use my thread to keep track of my calorie deficit and to confirm that I had my daily ice cream and/or other treats.HEY guys! So I'm so awesome that I'm in the Biggest Loser competition you guys LOVE so much, and I wanna join the party over here simultaneously with eating either chocolate or ice cream every day :bigsmile: Sadly, my BL team doesn't seem to be all that serious about trying to lose weight seeing how we were the second to last team in terms of loss last week(NOT my fault, I joined it late and still managed to drop a pound).0 -
<<sniped>> Feel free to start a new topic and introduce yourself. Brainyburro, Chevysmart and I post pretty much daily on our threads, and discuss our strategies, goals and thoughts. I use my thread to keep track of my calorie deficit and to confirm that I had my daily ice cream and/or other treats.
^^ What Cindy said. Starting your own topic is a great "place of your own" and we all visit from time to time.
This group has been a real eye opener for me. We all are serious about our health and fitness goals.. we just happen to believe it can be achieved with eating enough to fuel our workouts and eating GOOD STUFF! :drinker:
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ugh! somebody just created this new group. the group description makes me sad. it's so unnecessary to deprive oneself. i wish i could reach through my monitor and shake those people out of their trance. a challenge whose rules are mostly things you CAN'T do just seems doomed to failure to me.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/17384-november-clean-eating-challenge0 -
Just went there and peeked. I expected the no sweets, no sugar, no junk food rules, but the must encourage 10 friends a day rule?:noway: Sounds like an Amway meeting.ugh! somebody just created this new group. the group description makes me sad. it's so unnecessary to deprive oneself. i wish i could reach through my monitor and shake those people out of their trance. a challenge whose rules are mostly things you CAN'T do just seems doomed to failure to me.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/17384-november-clean-eating-challenge0 -
Just went there and peeked. I expected the no sweets, no sugar, no junk food rules, but the must encourage 10 friends a day rule?:noway: Sounds like an Amway meeting.ugh! somebody just created this new group. the group description makes me sad. it's so unnecessary to deprive oneself. i wish i could reach through my monitor and shake those people out of their trance. a challenge whose rules are mostly things you CAN'T do just seems doomed to failure to me.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/17384-november-clean-eating-challenge
i'm pretty sure that's how the zombie apocalypse is gonna start.0 -
Just went there and peeked. I expected the no sweets, no sugar, no junk food rules, but the must encourage 10 friends a day rule?:noway: Sounds like an Amway meeting.ugh! somebody just created this new group. the group description makes me sad. it's so unnecessary to deprive oneself. i wish i could reach through my monitor and shake those people out of their trance. a challenge whose rules are mostly things you CAN'T do just seems doomed to failure to me.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/17384-november-clean-eating-challenge
i'm pretty sure that's how the zombie apocalypse is gonna start.
too late!
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Yay, we have about 20 new members for our November challenge. Welcome. :flowerforyou: And, if you would like to participate, please feel free to start a new topic, write down your goals for this month and use that thread to track your progress. If you have any questions, just ask! Post some food porn and share some yummy recipes*, but most of all, enjoy not depriving yourself, while still successfully losing weight.:drinker:
*No cauliflower substitutes allowed. Ever. :bigsmile:0 -
*No cauliflower substitutes allowed. Ever. :bigsmile:
^^^ This - I will be making bumper stickers! :drinker:0 -
Now here's an interesting comparison. Most of us have read the fitting in in thread from Sarauk2sf ( and if you haven't you should) where she shows how a person using IIFYM principles can easily have a serving of ice cream even on a 1400 calorie diet. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/925464-fitting-it-in-giggity
There is a thread on here currently where someone successfully incorporated 1800 calories worth of ice cream and candy and still met their macro/micro fiber goals yesterday. Well worth the read. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1128600-1800-calories-in-candy-ice-cream-why-not?
Thoughts?0 -
It took me so long to get over that "clean eating" thought pattern.
What I have against it is that it gives people "license to binge" because when they stray from eating clean, they think "well the day is shot.. I might as well enjoy myself before I have to eat clean again".
What is great about IIFYM is that every day is a holiday! :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:0 -
I'm staying in here for a while where the common sense is. Threads like this one here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1130239-no-sugar
Are so frustrating. Half a dozen senior members come in (including a moderator, even) with excellent posts and are all completely ignored by the OP as she cherry picks and acknowledges the few derpy replies.0 -
I'm staying in here for a while where the common sense is. Threads like this one here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1130239-no-sugar
Are so frustrating. Half a dozen senior members come in (including a moderator, even) with excellent posts and are all completely ignored by the OP as she cherry picks and acknowledges the few derpy replies.
No sugar?? :sad:
One of my MFP/BL friends is going to try out a no sugar thing, AFTER her three weeks of eating nothing but fruit, veggies, yogurt, and ONE serving of ONLY fish is up. Her diary makes me SO sad, but she refuses to listen to anything that doesn't go along with what she wants to do, even after posting a topic about the whole no sugar thing and the majority of the posters tried explaining how bad her plan was(made a comment about CARROTS having too much sugar....). I tried..0 -
I think I read that one, or posted in it. There's been so many lately that it's easy to lose track. I think they will eventually feel deprived and binge or quit entirely if they don't take it a little easier on themselves, but I wonder what THEY think when they see our posts about eating candy, ice cream and Poptarts?I'm staying in here for a while where the common sense is. Threads like this one here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1130239-no-sugar
Are so frustrating. Half a dozen senior members come in (including a moderator, even) with excellent posts and are all completely ignored by the OP as she cherry picks and acknowledges the few derpy replies.
No sugar?? :sad:
One of my MFP/BL friends is going to try out a no sugar thing, AFTER her three weeks of eating nothing but fruit, veggies, yogurt, and ONE serving of ONLY fish is up. Her diary makes me SO sad, but she refuses to listen to anything that doesn't go along with what she wants to do, even after posting a topic about the whole no sugar thing and the majority of the posters tried explaining how bad her plan was(made a comment about CARROTS having too much sugar....). I tried..0 -
I think I read that one, or posted in it. There's been so many lately that it's easy to lose track. I think they will eventually feel deprived and binge or quit entirely if they don't take it a little easier on themselves, but I wonder what THEY think when they see our posts about eating candy, ice cream and Poptarts?
It just stinks knowing that you've been there before, tried doing those things, and there's nothing you can say to get through to some people... I know everyone needs to make their own mistakes but it's frustrating as heck watching it when you try to help them out. I've tried so many different methods of losing weight fast and none of them worked for long, obviously. I've only been trying this time since September(and just started doing basically the IIFYM way), but I really feel like this is actually something I can stick with forever, I can eat whatever I want within reason, I love going to the gym so the workouts have never really been an issue, but I don't feel the need to binge, and I don't feel deprived like I usually have. I guess it just takes others a while to get it, and harping someone doesn't usually help(although it would be great if EVERYONE would just do what I say lol).0 -
I saw a post at the end of September about eating pizza and losing weight , joined the group, then got involved in work, and quickly forgot all about the challenge. I've been lurking the last week or two. If I can get my macros in order I think I'll start a December thread if the group is continuing.
My pre-goal for November will be to try to get my macros, protein especially, where they should be consistently. I am enjoying following along on all your progress though.0 -
I saw a post at the end of September about eating pizza and losing weight , joined the group, then got involved in work, and quickly forgot all about the challenge. I've been lurking the last week or two. If I can get my macros in order I think I'll start a December thread if the group is continuing.
My pre-goal for November will be to try to get my macros, protein especially, where they should be consistently. I am enjoying following along on all your progress though.
set your protein based on your lean body mass (LBM), not your calories.
choose something between 0.8g/lb of LBM and 1.0g/lb of LBM.
your LBM is the part of your bodyweight that is not fat. so if your BF% is 25% and you weight 150lb, then your LBM is 112.5lb.0 -
My estimated LBM is 147 (out of 270.8). That makes my protein goal somewhere between 117 and 147. I've got my macros set up at 40c/25p/35f now so the protein goal in the diary falls at 130 which is much closer than the previous 180. Now I just have to work on it.0
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My estimated LBM is 147 (out of 270.8). That makes my protein goal somewhere between 117 and 147. I've got my macros set up at 40c/25p/35f now so the protein goal in the diary falls at 130 which is much closer than the previous 180. Now I just have to work on it.
MFP is setup wrong to determine your macros as percentages of your calories.
set your protein as i listed above.
set your fat using this: 0.35g/lb of bodyweight.
whatever is leftover is carbs. i don't track carbs.
then all you have to do is meet or exceed your protein and fats goal every day (or on average) and you are fine. you don't have to worry about scaling those goals as the day's TDEE changes due to exercise.
your fats and protein requirements are not really a function of how much or how little exercise you do each day.0
