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  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member
    Yesterday I did 5k...................... on my bike. My MCL healed up nicely after a couple of weeks rest but I am still getting pain in my knee. Last week I was in agony just walking the dog and walking round the supermarket, and I couldn't straighten my knee. It's a lot better this week but still sore if I have to walk more than 1k or walk uphill, and I can pretty much straighten it out when its not sore. Doctor says ligaments are fine now and it could be swelling inside my knee, have to rest for another 6-8 weeks and if it's still sore I will get an orthopaedic referral. I'm pretty sure I will have to miss my 10k in September :(
  • timeasterday
    timeasterday Posts: 1,368 Member
    I'm pretty sure I will have to miss my 10k in September :(

    Sorry to hear that! But the important thing is that you heal properly. I don't think my knee ever healed totally before I started activity again. I have a hard time listening to doctors. Probably why I am still dealing with this groin strain for 7 weeks now.

    If you can keep biking do it. It's great cross training and will strengthen your legs. Do some full-body strength training too but careful on anything that might stress the knee.
  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member

    Sorry to hear that! But the important thing is that you heal properly. I don't think my knee ever healed totally before I started activity again. I have a hard time listening to doctors. Probably why I am still dealing with this groin strain for 7 weeks now.

    If you can keep biking do it. It's great cross training and will strengthen your legs. Do some full-body strength training too but careful on anything that might stress the knee.

    When I am walking around the house or at work my knee feels fine and it is so tempting to try running on it, but as soon as I walk upstairs or take my dog for a long walk its a reality check. My plan is to keep cycling for a couple of weeks and then if my knee is feeling good try a short run, then take it from there. I have been doing strengthening exercises and stretches which have been helping.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    I'm so sorry you are dealing with this. But biking is great exercise!
  • KathleenKP
    KathleenKP Posts: 580 Member
    Oooh. Sorry you have to miss your 10K. I had to miss my first triathlon, so I know how you feel. (But maybe with your cycling, you'd consider taking up triathlons??) I am still not healed, but have started working my arm again. I save it for when it counts, though - ONLY for triathlon related activities - no other activity is important enough for me to jeapordize another event. I even skipped the start of "Insanity" at my gym, which was upsetting.

    But, the cycling doesn't bother your knee? (I only ask because I currently have a fabulous bike to use, compliments of my friend who has knee issues from riding too much.)
  • jessiekanga
    jessiekanga Posts: 564 Member
    So sorry Romy! I'm sorry To miss your v-company as it nears. Though as others have said... it's about healing right. I have my first 10k next week, then one in Sept. I ran 6.16 today on a hilly partial trail course and I'm psyched. My goal for this race is to take any performance pressure off myself and just have fun with my aunt. And to stick together over speed.
  • bttrthanevr
    bttrthanevr Posts: 615 Member
    Oh, Romy! I 'm so sorry to hear that your knee is so troublesome. It's good you were able to get on a bike though. Let it have the time it needs to heal and don't rush it. Is swimming an option for you? A woman in my running group this Spring was injured while training for a marathon, but she started swimming when she could not run and she actually came back stronger! And was able to resume training after a couple of months.

    Jessie- That's great about your 10K run!!! You've done the distance , now you can just go make it "official" in a race ! :-)!!!!

    I have made it to 5 miles! But I am not following a real training plan. I'm kinda going by the seat of pants, mixing up distance and intervals and a litlle hillwork (every two weeks) as my life schedule allows. I need to try to get back on a real plan, but my kid's schedules are really messing with my run schedule, so I am doing what I can. I still have not made an appointment with a chiropractor but that's on my list of things to try to squeeze in. I have a lot of travel coming up this month too, so that will make my runs even more of a challenge. but I am determined to figure it out.
  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member

    But, the cycling doesn't bother your knee? (I only ask because I currently have a fabulous bike to use, compliments of my friend who has knee issues from riding too much.)

    Thankfully it doesn't bother my knee, there are a few runners in my office who have had knee problems and they all recommended cycling, as you're not putting your bodyweight on it. It is particularly good for me as it is straightening my knee that is the problem and I don't need to straighten it when cycling. Unfortunately I am not a swimmer, I don't mind swimming when on holiday but I'm one of those people who don't like getting their face wet! Not to mention that swimming costs money and I can't afford to do anything that costs money, my amazing Specialized bike is a tax deduction on my husband's wage or I wouldn't have a bike either, though he did have to explain why he needed a ladies bike to cycle to work, lol!

    I am glad to hear your arm is improving, have you another triathlon coming up? And I'm glad to see that everyone else's running seems to be going well, just makes me want to get better all the sooner!
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    There have been people who have trained for marathons by biking/swimming when injury was an issue. I seem to remember seeing an actual plan for this...I'll post it if I find it again.
  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member
    There have been people who have trained for marathons by biking/swimming when injury was an issue. I seem to remember seeing an actual plan for this...I'll post it if I find it again.
    Ooh, that sounds interesting, I googled it and found the Train Like A Mother one, would that be the same one? I still have outside hopes for my 10k in the back of my mind, but I'm trying not to drive myself crazy thinking about it, lol,
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Yes. I think that's it.

    I haven't tried the Train Like a Mother plans, but I was very intrigued and I've heard good things about them.
  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member
    My knee is still feeling okay, ran 5k on Tuesday and 3k today and cycling 7 miles 2-3 weeks. Going to try and slowly build up my distance, still got 6 weeks till my race so I'm still hopeful I might get to run it.
  • btsinmd
    btsinmd Posts: 921 Member
    My knee is still feeling okay, ran 5k on Tuesday and 3k today and cycling 7 miles 2-3 weeks. Going to try and slowly build up my distance, still got 6 weeks till my race so I'm still hopeful I might get to run it.

    This is good news! Sounds like you're on your way!
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Fingers crossed!!!
  • jessiekanga
    jessiekanga Posts: 564 Member
    I'm routing for you!!!!
  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member
    Don't want to jinx myself but I did a trial run on Sunday and it went really well. I have been running on grass for a couple of weeks and this was my first time running on the road. I did 6km and even with walking down a steep downhill section I still managed to clock up my fastest time yet. I beat my fastest 5k time but the last km was tough and a lot slower. I do find that running on grass really helps my speed when I run on the road, I have to work so much harder on the grass it makes running on the road seem much easier. Just need to work on building up my distance again.

    My husband has now hurt his knee, the same one in the same place as me. Let's hope he keeps it till I have done my race, I don't want it back!
  • jessiekanga
    jessiekanga Posts: 564 Member
    Yay Romy! So glad to hear how well it's going. Hope hubby feels better.
  • PinkNinjaLaura
    PinkNinjaLaura Posts: 3,202 Member
    Don't want to jinx myself but I did a trial run on Sunday and it went really well. I have been running on grass for a couple of weeks and this was my first time running on the road. I did 6km and even with walking down a steep downhill section I still managed to clock up my fastest time yet. I beat my fastest 5k time but the last km was tough and a lot slower. I do find that running on grass really helps my speed when I run on the road, I have to work so much harder on the grass it makes running on the road seem much easier. Just need to work on building up my distance again.

    My husband has now hurt his knee, the same one in the same place as me. Let's hope he keeps it till I have done my race, I don't want it back!

    One of the trainers at my gym hurt his knee & couldn't run for a long time. When he started again he started running on grass - the surface was easier on his knee (less impact). Now he runs barefoot on the treadmill & wears the toe shoes outside and said those also help because it forces you into a more natural form.
  • bttrthanevr
    bttrthanevr Posts: 615 Member

    One of the trainers at my gym hurt his knee & couldn't run for a long time. When he started again he started running on grass - the surface was easier on his knee (less impact). Now he runs barefoot on the treadmill & wears the toe shoes outside and said those also help because it forces you into a more natural form.

    I have read that the ultra cushy padding in running shoes actually keeps your body from sensing the impact and prevents the subtle adjustments that it would otherwise make. I often think about this...but with my heavy weight, flat feet, plantar fasciitis, and inward roll, I am afraid to abandon my corrective shoes and inserts. But I do wonder...

    I never thought of running barefoot on the treadmill. I wonder if my Y would object? (I do not have a treadmill at home.)
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member

    One of the trainers at my gym hurt his knee & couldn't run for a long time. When he started again he started running on grass - the surface was easier on his knee (less impact). Now he runs barefoot on the treadmill & wears the toe shoes outside and said those also help because it forces you into a more natural form.

    I have read that the ultra cushy padding in running shoes actually keeps your body from sensing the impact and prevents the subtle adjustments that it would otherwise make. I often think about this...but with my heavy weight, flat feet, plantar fasciitis, and inward roll, I am afraid to abandon my corrective shoes and inserts. But I do wonder...

    I never thought of running barefoot on the treadmill. I wonder if my Y would object? (I do not have a treadmill at home.)

    I also don't see a lot of barefoot athletes. However, they do wear racing flats, which are pretty minimal. The thing is, nobody really knows whether minimal is better, or when it is indicted. There are *different* types of injuries with each, but not *less* id try running barefoot up and down a hall at home, and then find a safe grassy area, just to strengthen your feet and get the feel of the foot strike
  • PinkNinjaLaura
    PinkNinjaLaura Posts: 3,202 Member
    I have read that the ultra cushy padding in running shoes actually keeps your body from sensing the impact and prevents the subtle adjustments that it would otherwise make. I often think about this...but with my heavy weight, flat feet, plantar fasciitis, and inward roll, I am afraid to abandon my corrective shoes and inserts. But I do wonder...

    I have pretty much exact same list of issues (except mine is an outward roll instead of an inward roll), so I figure if I'm going to force my feet to go out running I should protect them as much as I can.
  • btsinmd
    btsinmd Posts: 921 Member
    I have two pairs of vibram 5-fingers. One I've had for about 18 months and I wear pretty often and one that was a bit too tight when I got them and so I put them up for a bit and don't know where they are now. I love wearing the first pair as I feel like they cause all the muscles in my feet to work. They are great to wear at work after a run as they let me move and stretch my foot throughout the day more than conventional shoes do.

    I have worn them for two runs, neither of those more than 2 miles. You won't heel strike with them on because it hurts!

    I would wear them if I were running on sand or on unstable surfaces as you can feel more with them on and adjust better, but I prefer my regular running shoes for most of my runs.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    I love wearing the first pair as I feel like they cause all the muscles in my feet to work. They are great to wear at work after a run as they let me move and stretch my foot throughout the day more than conventional shoes do.

    I have worn them for two runs, neither of those more than 2 miles. You won't heel strike with them on because it hurts!

    I would wear them if I were running on sand or on unstable surfaces as you can feel more with them on and adjust better, but I prefer my regular running shoes for most of my runs.

    This is what the guys in Big Peach say. They'll wear super-minimal around the store and for one mile runs, but they want something with a bit more protection for longer runs. My PureFlow2s have really helped strengthen my feet but I appreciate the padding on my longer runs. I think I'd need something more substantial though for a marathon. I might need something a bit more substantial as I get into longer runs, but we'll see about that.
  • bttrthanevr
    bttrthanevr Posts: 615 Member
    I need new shoes. It's tempting to try something different, especially because of the issues I have with my left foot. (I think my shoe lets the front of my foot splay out too much. I have developed a "V" between my 3rd and 4th toe.) But I don't know what.
  • PinkNinjaLaura
    PinkNinjaLaura Posts: 3,202 Member
    I need new shoes. It's tempting to try something different, especially because of the issues I have with my left foot. (I think my shoe lets the front of my foot splay out too much. I have developed a "V" between my 3rd and 4th toe.) But I don't know what.

    I did switch shoes this year. Last year I used Brooks, but they just didn't fit my feet perfectly. They curved more than my foot did so I had to tie them pretty loosely or they'd rub on the side of my foot. Everyone I know who has gone to this particular running shoe store has walked out with Brooks so when I walked in and said not Brooks I almost stumped them. :smile: I ended up with Saucony and really like them - so much I bought a second pair so I have one for running and one for the gym.
  • Stlarenas
    Stlarenas Posts: 90 Member
    Instead of starting a new thread I'm just gonna post here...

    I am in w11 of c210k and loving it. I have to force myself not to run every night. I have never been athletic at all and it feels great to finally find some exercise that I look forward to doing. However my knees are starting to hurt and I'm getting worried....


    BACKSTORY.....
    about 4 weeks I fell and twisted my knee (unrelated to running)...I took a short break, but then got right back into my routine. Over the last couple of weeks I have been woken up at night by my other knee throbbing. I am thinking this is due to the running - possibly over compensating when the first was sore.

    Both knees feel great during the day and when I am running. It is only after I have been resting for a while (or the middle of the night) when they hurt.

    I know you all aren't docs..but does anyone have any experience/advice when it comes to knees and running?
  • PinkNinjaLaura
    PinkNinjaLaura Posts: 3,202 Member
    Instead of starting a new thread I'm just gonna post here...

    I am in w11 of c210k and loving it. I have to force myself not to run every night. I have never been athletic at all and it feels great to finally find some exercise that I look forward to doing. However my knees are starting to hurt and I'm getting worried....


    BACKSTORY.....
    about 4 weeks I fell and twisted my knee (unrelated to running)...I took a short break, but then got right back into my routine. Over the last couple of weeks I have been woken up at night by my other knee throbbing. I am thinking this is due to the running - possibly over compensating when the first was sore.

    Both knees feel great during the day and when I am running. It is only after I have been resting for a while (or the middle of the night) when they hurt.

    I know you all aren't docs..but does anyone have any experience/advice when it comes to knees and running?

    Does your other knee throb every night, or just on the nights when you ran that day?
  • bttrthanevr
    bttrthanevr Posts: 615 Member
    I wish I knew and could help, stlarenas. My knees hurt sometimes, but not throbbing. It's more soreness when I bend them. My first thought was to wonder if you had changed running surface or shoes. Like maybe from treadmill or trail to road? And how is your form? At first when I started running longer, I would slump at the end of my longer runs because I was pushing too fast and flaming out hard. That bad form in the last mile or so, was hurting me. And I think my stride rate was too low. Working on improving my cadence and form seems to have cut back my soreness. I try to keep my strides shorter and quicker, turning over more strides per minute. I also focus on keeping my core engaged and keeping myself pulled up and out of my hips...and I try to land on the mid-foot, not my heels. It seems to have smoothed out some of my pains. Proper warm up and cooling down and stretching make a huge difference too. It's hard for me to be patient and do each of those steps especially because my run time is often limited, but I force myself to do it. When I don't, I pay. I don't know if any of that applies to your situation..but I hope you get your knees figured out. :-)
  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member
    I have had problems with my knees including throbbing in my knees after running. It was caused by swelling inside my knee joints. I found out the hard way not to ignore it and ended up having to take 5 weeks off running. I would maybe take a few days off and give your legs a good rest and check out some knee strengthening exercises, there are plenty of websites with great advice. If you are running on the road maybe look at running on a softer surface for some of your runs. Also a good stretching program, especially post running, has made a big difference for me also, I used to have all kinds of aches and pains and shin splints but since I started stretching I haven't had any pains at all.
  • romyhorse
    romyhorse Posts: 694 Member
    I had a horrible but great training run today. It was my first 10k run since June and I've been building up my distance quicker than I should, but I've paid for my race and I really want to take part. My target time for my run was 1 hour 20 minutes, I was planning taking the first 5k easy and picking up the pace on the way back. I had mapped out a new route last night through a private estate near where I live. The first 2km went okay then I came to the castle grounds and there was a No Through Road sign so I had to take a diversion up a steep hill, about half way up I started feeling light headed and had to walk, I went round a bend and it got even steeper and even walking to the top was a struggle. Once at the top I ran for another km then had to take another walking break as my thighs were still burning. I eventually ran down a steep hill back onto my original route. On the way back I managed to run up the steep hill, it wasn't as hard as the one on the way out. At this point I was really glad I had stuffed a Capri Sun in my bra (thanks Varda!) At this point I wasn't bothered about my time I just wanted to finish, but when I got to 9km and my time was 1 hour 13 minutes I thought, I can do this! And I sprinted the last km and finished in 1 hour 19 minutes and 57 seconds!