Daily Chat Thread
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OK, I will try again. I'm interested in IF -- seems to be working for so many. But I workout at 6am. I can't see how I can make it work, unless I stop eating at 4pm -- which ain't gonna happen. I suppose I could do it on the weekends, like April suggested. But will it be worth it, I wonder.
I finished another Stage 3A workout today. I really don't like Stage 3, but today went better. I decided to take the FULL 105 seconds of rest between each exercise. It was nice. I also realized that the bruises on my arms were not spontaneous, but were from the cable machine when I did the revserse wood chop. Obviously need to work on my form...0 -
OK, I will try again. I'm interested in IF -- seems to be working for so many. But I workout at 6am. I can't see how I can make it work, unless I stop eating at 4pm -- which ain't gonna happen. I suppose I could do it on the weekends, like April suggested. But will it be worth it, I wonder.
I finished another Stage 3A workout today. I really don't like Stage 3, but today went better. I decided to take the FULL 105 seconds of rest between each exercise. It was nice. I also realized that the bruises on my arms were not spontaneous, but were from the cable machine when I did the revserse wood chop. Obviously need to work on my form...
Well, I meant start it on the weekends because it's easier...and then maybe by Monday I could do it even though I'll be up at 6am. Does that make sense? Kind of work my way into it?
And maybe if I can't quite do that, maybe just start eating later and later each morning until I get to 11am. Today, I actually didn't eat until 9. What's two more hours?
I'm glad your bruises weren't spontaneous! LOL0 -
I don't know how to post pictures (at mfp), mermegan....but, I'd bet that it's somewhere in the "thumbtack" instructions at the top of the community threads! I WANT TO SEE YOUR PICS - so go figure out how to post them? (Or ask someone like LorinaLynn, she's always posting pictures of herself, so she obviously knows how to do it, lol!)0
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I'm going to clear up some myths, since I see some of these "myths" creeping up here in people's posts:
1. You CAN work-out 'fasted'. While I thought it would be "insane" to go into a work-out without having eaten, I do it ALL THE TIME, now! It's a TOTAL MYTH that you need to ingest food in order to have enough energy to work-out. At least, for me....after 25+ years of believing that I better eat and I better have enough energy (prior to a work-out), I now know this is complete bunk.
So, if you're going to work-out at 6 am, yay for you.....go work-out and maybe even still you won't eat until noon. That gives you an eating window of noon-8 pm, or 10 pm, or whatever!
I work-out at lunch. That means, frankly, I haven't eaten since 6:30 pm the night before. Means I'm working out and haven't eaten for 17 hours, for the most part. And, my work-outs haven't suffered one bit. At least I don't think they have....0 -
Myth 2 - eat breakfast.
This is a MYTH. Somehow people think they have to eat breakfast, that it's the healthiest meal of the day, that it should be your biggest meal of the day, blah, blah, blah.
I think it was the dude who does leangains who kind of researched why this is bunk - I, myself, have NO research to add.
But, here is my anecdotal evidence:
Through my teen years, I NEVER ate breakfast! Spent too much time getting my hair and make-up ready prior to school...no time for brekkie! Yes, I was skinny ALL THE TIME as a teen!
In my 20's, I NEVER ate breakfast! Always had early university classes, or, once graduated, was working 10 hour days at the law firm. Yes, I was skinny ALL THE TIME in my 20's!
In my 30's, I force-fed myself breakfast....why?? Because I was pregnant and doctors told me I had to eat breakfast and eat folic acid and whatever else. So, I started eating breakfast. Spent my 30's in my opinion, in the worst shape of my life! Pregnancies, post-partums, new cities, new jobs, and, yes I ATE BREAKFAST EVERYDAY!
In my 40's, I tried the low-GI diet - and ate breakfast. I tried the "eating for life" plan (part of the "body for life" program - and ate breakfast. The "eat more to weigh less" plan - and ate breakfast. And, in my 40's, I've carried these extra 10 lbs (maybe 20????) ALWAYS!
Hello??? I give up breakfast, which I DON'T WANT TO EAT, ANYWAY, and in 8 weeks, I'm down 11 lbs.
For me, I WANT to eat at night. That is MY natural inclination....even on a full supper tummy, the "urge" to snack late into the evening has been the CONSTANT and POWERFUL force in my life, since ever I can remember (certainly since my teens). Now that I'm counting my calories in an "eating window", which, from time-to-time, includes late-night snacking, I'm MUCH happier and, my body is responding by dumping the fat I've wanted to get rid of for 5 years.0 -
Dang Beeps! LOL OK great advice. I actually do not eat before I workout. I literally roll out of bed at 5:45 and head to the gym. HOWEVER, I am usually ravenous after working out. I can see waiting an hour, maybe two...not sure if I could wait til 11. Maybe I could if I'm allowed coffee (lots and lots of coffee).
I am a breakfast person. It's my absolute favorite meal of the day, not gonna lie. I realize it might just be a mental thing and I'd probably still eat breakfast foods at noon even if I was doing IF. Trust me, I'm not downplaying IF in any way. I think it's cool and I'd love to try it.
So, would it be OK muscle-wise to not have my protein shake until 3.5 hours after I worked out? That's what really concerns me, the eating after working out part.0 -
From the LeanGains.com website - very good information on how to do this. I've been trying it for the last couple days and I am really hungry in the morning, but coffee and water are helping and I'm hoping my body will get used to it. If it doesn't, well then I'll be trying something else. I work out at 5 am and am at work by 7 am, so it's a long time to go without food. Today I did a protein shake and sipped it all morning.
Early morning fasted training
Here's a sample setup for a client that trains early in the morning and prefers the feeding phase at noon or later. Read this for details regarding this protocol.
6 AM: 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA.
6-7 AM: Training.
8 AM: 10 g BCAA.
10 AM: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: The "real" post-workout meal (largest meal of the day). Start of the 8 hour feeding-window.
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
For the sake of conveniency, I recommend getting BCAA in the form of powder and not tabs. Simply mix 30 g of BCAA powder in a shake and drink one third of it every other hour starting 5-15 minutes pre-workout. Tabs are cheaper, but much more of a hassle (you're going to have to pop a lot of tabs). Check my supplements guide for specific brand recommendations.
* No calories are to be ingested during the fasted phase, though coffee, calorie free sweeteners, diet soda and sugar free gum are ok (even though they might contain trace amount of calories). A tiny splash of milk in your coffee won’t affect anything either (½-1 teaspoon of milk per cup at the most - use sparingly and sensibly if you drink a lot of coffee). Neither will sugar free gum in moderation (~20 g).
* For fasted training, BCAA or an essential amino acid mixture is highly recommended. However, if this feels like too much micromanaging or simply questionable from an economic standpoint, you could also make due with some whey protein. The importance of protein intake prior to fasted training is outlined in this and this post.0 -
As for posting pictures - you have to have your pictures on a photo website, like Photobucket or Flickr. Copy the link that says direct link (I think, photobucket isn't working right now), paste the link in the "Reply" box, change the IMG to img. I'd post one, but since photobucket isn't working I can't. Maybe in a bit.0
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Well, I'm going to try IF. I think it would really work best for me considering I tend to eat so late. I'm trying starting tomorrow! No eating until noon! I'm not going to do 16 hours fasting, but I think 12-14. We'll see what happens, and it will depend on the day, I think.0
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kmsai - if you are STARVING after your work-out, I'd totally down a protein shake (150 cals - use water, not milk) and forget about it! Your body will be fine and you'll get through your morning without any other calories, I'd bet.0
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Part of it is just "giving things a try"....you'll NEVER KNOW if something might "click" for you if you just outright discount the strategy!
April, I tried my first 24-hour fast a few weeks ago and bailed at hour 19. Even now, the "longest" fast I've been comfy doing is 22 hours. What I am realizing, for me, is that LONGER fasts aren't necessary. If I'm steady with fasting 16 hours every day, I'm creating enough of a caloric-deficit that the weight is coming off.
I know women who DO have to fast 24-36-48 hours, every week, because, for them, the "daily eating window" does NOT work.
Give it a try. And, DON'T worry if you end up "breaking your fast" earlier than "perfect". So what?
I think what an "eating window" has REALLY forced me to pay attention to is whether I am "hungry" or whether I am "bored". If I'm hungry, I eat. If I'm not hungry, I don't eat. And, for whatever reason, my body, for sure, is NOT HUNGRY in the mornings, anymore.0 -
I think I wrote here that my kids and my husband, for the first time EVER, made me breakfast in bed, for my birthday a few weeks ago.
Believe me, I was NOT hungry. At. All. If they had made that breakfast 6 weeks earlier, I'd have downed it - and asked for more! Because I was 100% into a 10-year eating routine that included breakfast.
But, I had been using an eating window for a few weeks at that point, and I was NOT hungry! I *did* choke down every single bite, because the look on my kids' faces - on my husband's face - was PURE joy!
They even said, "you ALWAYS say, "how come you guys NEVER make me breakfast in bed?" so we decided, this year, to do THAT!"
FUNNY RIGHT?? As soon as I STOP eating breakfast, that's when my family decides to fulfill some "fantasy" I must have harped on for quite some time.
Anyway....I haven't had a morsel of breakfast since that day. Some days, when I'm at the office at 4 or 5 am, I do end up having a protein bar about 10:00 am. So be it. THAT day, I WAS hungry!
But, most days, probably 8 or 9 out of 10, I'm just not hungry in the morning. So, I don't eat. And then I go to the gym at lunch, work-out on an empty stomach, and then suck back a protein shake the moment I'm in the change room.
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Beeps, do you think if I go from 10pm (last snack because I do like to snack rather than eat 3 large meals), until 11 or 12, that is enough? That's not 16 hours. But I think that's what will work for me.0
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but according to Lean Gains, many women (not all) tend to do better at 14/10 instead of 16/8, so he recommends that. I usually fall at 15/9 for some reason!0
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but according to Lean Gains, many women (not all) tend to do better at 14/10 instead of 16/8, so he recommends that. I usually fall at 15/9 for some reason!
No, thank you! So...I'm gonna aim for the 14/10. That said, time for my last snack! LOL0 -
Enjoy! Oh, by the way, for anyone interested.... the rippedbody.jp site is great for detailed information. Much more so than the leangains site. Let us know how it goes!0
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I will! I'm actually insanely excited. I've been wondering forever how to incorporate the breakfast everyone says you should eat...and the late night snacks I can't seem to stop eating. It's,like I said, something about being by myself and enjoying some yum yum, maybe a glass of wine, and a good book. But this is the answer to all that. I think I can do it. I think it may be hard at first, mostly because it's habit to have my breakfast at my desk at 830. But I can do this. I think in the long run, this will be better for me. Thanks, guys!0
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I'm excited to try too. Thanks for all the info! If I can have coffee and my protein drink, I will be totally fine til noon. I think I will try the 14/10. Starting tomorrow?!0
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So? How did the trial "eating window" go???
I'm dying to hear!
I got my cardio in. And it went MUCH better than last week! I have to teach a university class next Saturday, so won't get my cardio in on that day....guess I'll have to figure out where to get it in this week. Yuck.0 -
I was doing great and then I did some totally MINDLESS eating. I was at the grocery story and took a sample of deli meat (1/2 piece) and a small piece of swiss cheese (less than 1/2 ounce). As I was eating the cheese, I remembered: IF!! And considered spitting it out but didn't. Anyway, I did fine on coffee til noon -- aside from the mindless noshing. BUT, then at noon, I went a little nutty with eating. I consumed 800 calories between eggs, toast, and a protein shake. So needless to say, I'm totally satiated and won't be eating for at least another hour or two.
I'm looking into BCAA (powder or tablets) to take after my workouts instead of a shake; 0 calories. I still reading up on it. If it's something I can get at GNC, I might give it a try.0 -
Very interesting. I can't do it because of the hypoglycemia, but interesting nonetheless.
Didn't make it to the gym last night. hubby and I both passed out just after 8. Making it up today 0 -
Did NR4WL Stage 3 WO B and burnt 585 calories.. Was easier this time.. I'm surprised0
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2nd full S2A today and I upped weight. Not where I expected I should be, but I'm getting there. OMG planks are so much harder than they look! My HRM pooped out on me and I'm not a happy camper. It's not old enough to do that! I hope I pushed the stop button by accident, otherwise I'm going to give Polar a call.
Did my posture lifts on the swissball. I'm feeling 'em!0 -
I was doing great and then I did some totally MINDLESS eating. I was at the grocery story and took a sample of deli meat (1/2 piece) and a small piece of swiss cheese (less than 1/2 ounce). As I was eating the cheese, I remembered: IF!! And considered spitting it out but didn't. Anyway, I did fine on coffee til noon -- aside from the mindless noshing. BUT, then at noon, I went a little nutty with eating. I consumed 800 calories between eggs, toast, and a protein shake. So needless to say, I'm totally satiated and won't be eating for at least another hour or two.
I'm looking into BCAA (powder or tablets) to take after my workouts instead of a shake; 0 calories. I still reading up on it. If it's something I can get at GNC, I might give it a try.
I use Scivation. Nice balance, and according to what I've read drinking the liquid gets the BCAAs into your bloodstream fastest.0 -
Thanks Sue! I will look for that tomorrow. PLANKS - boo!! I'm getting better at them, but my body is literally shaking during those last 30 seconds (they are 90 seconds in Stage 3 - yeah). I just talk myself through it, like "you can do anything for 30/20/10 seconds" -- until I'm done. lol
dwn2erth - Awesome. I have a Stage 3 B coming up Monday. I am not a fan of the B workout, and I'm going to have to get up at 5:30 to be home in time to get kids/hubby out the door. It's a long (and in places boring) workout. I like the HIIT though; would much rather do that over BWM! I'm in awe of the calories you burned. I wonder if I am burning more than I think? I really must replace the battery in my HRM...0 -
Hey everyone, just popping in randomly like I do! I think the 7 week challenge sounds fun, I'd like mine to be push-ups, too. Luckily I've been able to do all 15 in a row but no more than that. I'd like to be able to do two sets of 25 in 7 weeks. Idk if that's a lot or what, but if my arms aren't tired I can already probably do more than the 15.
I am in stage one still, I started it beginning of October and ended up slacking so I restarted two weeks ago and haven't missed my workouts. I'm doing workout A3 tomorrow.0 -
Bad week. I hate this crazy schedule. Just a couple more weeks now....
I did not meet my goal this week. For much of anything.0 -
Plan this week is to actually manage to go to the gym 3 x. Would be a first! but my hubby is away and I'm not able to do my runs so will have a bit of extra time. Wish me luck.0
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I have to be honest and give up my point. I did not win. LOL. I forgot all about it yesterday. I'm still able to do 15 pushups in a row while pooped at the end of the workout. Today is Stage 2/A, so I'll be doing pushups, and hopefully, I can up it to at least 16!0
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I think I get my points for last week! My "push up" goal is just to do push ups EVERY day! And thus far I have =D
Today was my first stage 2B workout...holy bulgarian split squats, those things are hard! Did anyone else's back foot (the one elevated on the bench) feel weird during the exercise?
I have been having HORRIBLE stomach pains since yesterday so the swiss ball crunch, reverse crunch, and cobra didn't go as well as possible...but at least i did it!
Also, what is the purpose of the flexion? When I tried just the version where you raise your leg I didn't see the point at all...anyone??0
