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PAV8888.... thank you SO much.....your numbers always baffle me but I get the general idea.....I am doing ok but with some effort I can do better, right?....I started today by increasing the bike up another minute, aiming to go from 20 min. to 30 by the end of next week....3 X a week at our gym....I also used my water weights for most of my 30 min. of water aerobics.....I have to alternate days of water jogging because of the stress on my knees....I might try another low intensity activity....
I was down another pound this morning weighing 242.5 so the fat is moving again!...my numbers will most likely get much better again...
I can easily increase the fiber so that isn’t a problem...sodium is a killer....I take blood pressure meds
( cut in half since I started MFP ) but still take 3 pills a day...I also take a water pill one day a week to get rid of fluid retention....there is so much sodium in everything...I don’t add salt to my food...
I can work on NEAT....I don’t pace or fidget so I will try that...my Fitbit doesn’t pick up steps if I push a grocery or shopping cart so I miss some steps...
I will try to reduce my calories that I eat by a small margin....if I feel anxious about less food I will move it back to a larger amount to eat....
Diet breaks have been a failure with me as it sets off binges...I know I eventually need a successful break because maintenance could be a nightmare in the future....maybe mid summer I will try one again...I don’t want to stop the momentum I have going currently....does that make sense?
I have a lot to think about all of the information you gave me....I need to read it all again a few times....but I love that you took the time to do this for me!...I hope it helps Laurie, too...you are both great people....btw I am “Nannie”.... never Gramma!....never!2 -
lauriekallis wrote: »Activity level - and the difference in daily calories burned - feels like a big challenge to correctly estimate. What are people's thoughts of the calories burned number that Fitbit arrives at? I know people have mentioned that it can be off when you spend lot of time waving your arm around - or the occasional loss of measurement because it slips too far down your wrist. But other than that - when it is in place and tracking real movement. Is it a fair estimate of how many calories you are burning in a day? I just tried that NIDDK body planner you linked to in another thread, @PAV8888, and that sets my calories far higher than I'm eating now, even when I am modest when estimating my activity level. And certainly much higher than my fitbit ever suggests. I wish I could eat the calories it suggests and maintain or lose but history has me certain I would be significantly gaining at either level. If the fitbit calories burned number is somewhat accurate it would simplify things - except of course we would need a crystal ball when planning the days menu. But maybe it would be okay to eat "yesterday's" calories burned? At least we could plan in the morning? That might even be kinda of fun. If I know I have an indulgent night coming up on Saturday - I would work harder on Friday?
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I would go with the estimate that appears closer to reality unless there is a real reason to believe that there would be an advantage to doing otherwise! In your position I would go with the Fitbit calories and validate how close they track to my results over time periods that extend to weeks and months. Yes, short term there may be "wilder departures" but long term the law of averages tends to work out and a more solid picture emerges 2 -
I would go with the estimate that appears closer to reality unless there is a real reason to believe that there would be an advantage to doing otherwise! In your position I would go with the Fitbit calories and validate how close they track to my results over time periods that extend to weeks and months. Yes, short term there may be "wilder departures" but long term the law of averages tends to work out and a more solid picture emerges
This will be my focus for the next little while. Most of last year I was filling in my own table to track weekly averages...then stopped ??? why ??? not sure why.
I looked at Trendweight - and will try and set that up later today. That would certainly help. I do weigh myself almost every morning - can get that back to every morning again. I did for almost 12 months but that has slipped a bit lately because of some early "Nan" mornings (that I'm just getting used to) where I remember to weight myself after gulping down my breaking fast supplements and tea and then don't want that extra weight.
Thank you for the inspiration your input brings to my day (battle)!2 -
205 3012.52 6077.56 4358.89 429.28 65.57 50.58 178.52 105.92 291.66 14.09 7.19 44.22 1.18 0.88 5.29 122.71
Date Energy (kcal) Potassium (mg) Sodium (mg) Carbs (g) Fiber (g) Starch (g) Sugars (g) Fat (g) Cholesterol (mg) Monounsaturated (g) Polyunsaturated (g) Saturated (g) Trans-Fats (g) Omega-3 (g) Omega-6 (g) Protein (g)
Oh the power of data we don't always review
(thank you @conniewilkins56 and @eliezalot and @lauriekallis for prompting this review!!!)
"Why, oh why, oh poor me, <insert laments>, am I slightly up and not losing lately"?
Why, dufus, because your TDEE over a couple of years where you were measuring it carefully ranged "wildly" and "widely" within the 2930 to 2950 range!
Are you doing more now than back then? NO. So why would your TDEE be up? Yet you've been eating in the 3012.5 range.
Which over 205 days would predict an increase of 4.3lbs, or more, instead of the mere 3.1lbs you're actually up!
So time to stop whining and maybe time to lower your saturated chocolate fat intake (or at least the cliff bar and random assorted goodies intake)!
Oh, no, sodium intake is pretty dismal too! 
YIKES!!!
I'm a mess! 
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OK: I am not THAT much of a mess!
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You are not a mess lol....you, Novus and a few others are my idols lol.....when I get my blood test results in June, I will share them with you.....my doctors nurse told me the last two times I had blood work done, that the doctor did a happy dance all around the office!....I love my doctor who has lost 80 lbs on MFP!3
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205 3012.52 6077.56 4358.89 429.28 65.57 50.58 178.52 105.92 291.66 14.09 7.19 44.22 1.18 0.88 5.29 122.71
Date Energy (kcal) Potassium (mg) Sodium (mg) Carbs (g) Fiber (g) Starch (g) Sugars (g) Fat (g) Cholesterol (mg) Monounsaturated (g) Polyunsaturated (g) Saturated (g) Trans-Fats (g) Omega-3 (g) Omega-6 (g) Protein (g)
Oh the power of data we don't always review (thank you @conniewilkins56 and @eliezalot and @lauriekallis for prompting this review!!!)
I always like to help out where I can....
How in the world do you get that much potassium in? That is one of the ones I watch because it automatically has me eating much better if I aim for 3500 (mg) per day. But wow - 6077!!!!!!
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I would go with the estimate that appears closer to reality unless there is a real reason to believe that there would be an advantage to doing otherwise! In your position I would go with the Fitbit calories and validate how close they track to my results over time periods that extend to weeks and months. Yes, short term there may be "wilder departures" but long term the law of averages tends to work out and a more solid picture emerges
I'm thinking it doesn't really matter if Fitbit's estimate is accurate - so long as it is consistent? If I use that - and set a deficit based on that (I'm going for the previous day calories burned idea - just for the heck of it) and track my weight - I will simply adjust the deficit to try to get a result that I am happy with. It might not be actual calories burned - but if I keep using the same reference and adjust accordingly, I should get the results I'm hoping for - without worrying about entering exercise into MFP and guessing about how many minutes at which intensity etc?
Anywhich way it is something different and will keep me entertained until I get bored/tired again.
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You made me look. And as usual when things look too good...
We should probably knock off about 1200... which still leaves me sitting pretty with a good 1/3 of any reasonable daily requirement taken care off by my over-logged coffee! Between regular and decaf coffee should be closer to 80oz than the 160oz I have been automatically logging every day!
However, I do have a few "staples" that are high enough to make a difference: a tub of 228 Cal yoplait yogurt is 1170mg. I often have at least one. Sometimes two.
And then we have veggies and fruits where I do try to hit 10 a day most days. Tomatoes are a favourite. At ~240mg per 100g not much... but I often eat a lb at a time. Potatoes are no slouches either with twice as much potassium per 100g.
And bars. Both the RX bars and Cliff bars seem to have potassium that adds up in the days I checked.
So maybe not 6K... but definitely by the looks of it above 4.5K.
But again, not fair. Because I am on an "unconstrained" 3KCal budget which makes it much easier to hit such targets2 -
You're correct. What matters is estimation consistency and the less decision making and more consistency the easier it will be to come up with adjustments.2
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I just set up a fitbit account on my desktop - which is how I access MFP - and they now talk to each other. Wow. This feels too easy! MFP now knows what exercise I have done (well it knows what Fitbit knows anyway...I might be taking off my "watch" and sneaking in different exercise on the sly
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Don't know why I haven't done this before. I like the simplicity. Maybe I'll get bored with the simplicity!
Today I have too much of a deficit. It is so weird! It is 10 at night - I just ate 2 low calories puddings and some blueberries - really feel pretty satisfied. Just can't imagine eating anything else now. So I'm going to trust this satiated feeling and see where it gets me. Maybe tomorrow I'll want to eat more? Maybe I should be looking at a weekly average??? (ah good - I've managed to complicate things a bit!)2 -
Weekly average good.
If connected, don't log manual exercise on MFP. Doing so will override detection with your manual correction.
Ensure same time zones. Expect weird result issues when changing time zones.
If inactive later in day MFP Fitbit adjustment will decrease at the rate of at least 0.25*BMR/1440 per minute of in activity to midnight.
MFP assigns at least 1.25 * BMR to every minute to midnight. Fitbit 1.0 * when nothing is detected2 -
So many things to consider!
I'm so glad that I don't have to log manual exercise on MFP. This is a major advantage!
I tend to be a bit of a night person and active until midnight (except when the grandson sleeps over) so that shouldn't be too much of an issue. I will be able to see if it is a problem if my weekly deficit doesn't somewhat correlate with the scale I guess?
I'll try to "trust" the fine MFP/Fitbit data and see what happens.
I know a few naturally slim people who might overeat one day (when there is good food to be had) and then naturally eat less the next - not consciously but they just aren't as hungry. I can't imagine how wonderful that would be. Maybe shifting my focus to a weekly average will bring some surprises?
This is so exciting I might just eat that last dulce de leche in the fridge 3 -
You're funny on the naturally slim people balancing their other days In my world it's called setting up for -250 a day, and going over! Love it (NOT) when people tell me "well YOU don't have to worry about your weight"
No matter what logging strategy, in the end we have to validate against the scale
In your case though you've been logging for a while. So you don't have to wait to run... retroactive numbers!
Trendweight is probably already populated with your weight (?) Fitbit export can be used to get up to a month of data at a time to get your TDEE.
Remember that the whole "complicated" "adjustments" between MFP and Fitbit only have a single purpose in the end, that of making MFP calories burned at midnight equal to Fitbit TDEE.
So between past food logged, past Fitbit TDEE numbers, and past weight ins you can already validate how closely it would work for you.
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You're funny on the naturally slim people balancing their other days In my world it's called setting up for -250 a day, and going over! Love it (NOT) when people tell me "well YOU don't have to worry about your weight"
I've only seen that first hand twice - both partners - my lovely "roundness" seems to attract those who have a challenging time holding onto weight. And both of them really did work like that. Both were always wanting to gain weight but after big feed days just couldn't eat much. lol.
I haven't set up Trendweight yet - will do that tonight. Work so interferes with life some days
And you are right - my logging hasn't been too off at all - I remember the bad days - but that is a very small percentage. I'm looking forward to seeing what all the magic abacuses come up with.
Not really.
I'm afraid it is going to tell me what I already know - I'm not going to get away with eating a deficit based on the MFP calories burned at midnight/Fitbit TDEE numbers and still lose weight. I come from great stock.
Built to weather famines and the harshest, longest winters and come out looking well fed... ...I would have been one those who survived the Seige of Leningrad - getting by on chair glue and the occasional bit of fungus....
Okay - enough drama for one day - I think I'm just avoiding work now!
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Well Laurie... as I discussed with Connie... all the estimates and predictions are based on population means: most will be right on, some will be off, a very few will be a LOT off and play havoc with the grocery bill!
I may have screwed up with a zero or two and I am pretty sure that caloric expenditure prediction is NOT a normal distribution (but my knowledge of stats is not enough to move beyond that!)... but if it were a normal distribution and we took the three standard deviation tail end which would leave us with just the 0.135% of the population of outliers who are able to *save* on their grocery bill because they don't burn as many calories as the rest of the population... it would still amount to over 10 million people out of the 8+ billion people around this part of the solar system!
STILL... any consistent logging discrepancy can be compensated for.
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I've been hovering at 184 for about a month now. I KNOW it's because I've been stressed out and not sticking to my deficit, I KNOW it's because I've been dealing with leg and foot issues that have been hampering my exercise, but darnit why couldn't I get stuck at 180 instead? Then at least I would be crossed over into the Overweight category. It's driving me crazy to be just a few pounds away and feel like life is conspiring against me to keep me from reaching it. My rational brain says "4 pounds is nothing, if you just followed your plan you'd have that knocked out in 3 weeks" but my irrational brain says "you will not make it through the day without 900 calories of chocolate."8
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Good progress this week.
Age: 40
Height: 167cm - 5'6''
SW: 177.8 kg - 392 lb - 63,8 ΒΜΙ (May 2020)
GW: 69 kg - 153 lb - 24,9 ΒΜΙ
LW: 112.1 kg - 247.1 lb - 40,2 ΒΜΙ
CW: 111.4 kg - 245.6 lb - 39,9 ΒΜΙ
Variance: -0.7 kg / -1.5 lb / -0.62% TBW
OL: 66.4 kg - 146.4 lb - 23.8 BMI
Weight remaining for:
Obese class II: Reached - 21.05.2021 - 400 days.
Obese class I: 14.0 kg - 30.8 lb
Overweight: 27.9 kg - 61.5 lb
Normal: 41.8 kg - 92.3 lb
And a major milestone reached. Took me 400 days on the button, but I finally managed to move away from high-risk class III obesity. Onwards!9 -
Congratulations @Dante_80 you are an inspiration3
