I will say I've been doing both.

Things may change moving forward because of added disincentives to larger high calorie meals.

But I will admit that over the years the lower calorie large volume meals initially helped quite a bit.

Then slowly they became less satisfying by themselves as a continuous goal and I seem to have become more aware of sufficient caloric intake whether it came in a smaller or a larger package.

Doesn't mean I don't overshoot the denser packages!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

But I'm generally aware of it. And within the parameters of daily deficit (and trigger) management perhaps slightly less inclined to over do things.

Moving forward it now looks like new limitations may come into play and overdoing things may result in irresistible nap mode... which could become an extra disincentive!🤷‍♂️

Yakky, I'm all for volumetrics, but can see the potential downside in normalizing/maintaining eating large quantities in order to feel full.

Love the chart! Thanks for sharing! Could you possibly type out a link to it? I cannot use "quote" function, which was how I used to be able to download such things…or maybe friend me so you could pm it to me. Not sure if that will work tho'.

About me - I gave a detailed surgery update under Share your Day thread, but suffice to say all is well 🙂

@BCLadybug888 - are you able to press & hold a spot on the image to be able to download an image?

Re the calorie density chart, our RD gave us that when we were calorie counting with myplate for food choices.

Now we are trying DASH food servings approach for heart/health reasons including salt targets.

So did a net search of that chart - because also did a huh at whole grains, avocado - but they are less dense when plain than processed into junk? Buttt… I would tend to put avocado with seeds, oils.

—anyway, appears the original 'calorie density chart' appears to be a 'vector stock photo' that many websites are using.

Here is a more explanatory chart KenoshaHeart.org.

Resource link to Craig Martin and Dr Fullin mentioned on the chart:

https://kenoshaheart.org/calorie-density-charts/

https://kenoshaheart.org/calorie-density-charts/

The chart and info from website appear to adapt and extend the 1998 work of Jeff Novick.

Towards the bottom of the page link are more links, explanations.

Technically speaking, I'm not much for science speak but this approach fits well for me - swapping junk food (high density) for real food (lower density) and the charts are a nice visual.

(Mfp system hides actual link style... puts clickable link as shown.)

Edit to add - nor can I figure how to delete the duplicate… ;)

Me too - but once I stop eating - I don't feel hungry for a little while :)

If I stop eating before the numbers are tooo bad.

Stopping is hard if it's between you and your willpower. Such a first world problem we have. Too much food available.

Still traveling. Back to Texas tomorrow. Then going on another quick trip the rest of the week.

Now that's the correct process in my books

Plus a consideration that what does or doesn't work today may need tweaking or benefit from revisiting and reconsideration in the future

The 1st chart I did a screenshot and cropped lol. Holding down on it does nothing.

It states per 100 grams, and I'm imagining that must be cooked weight for stuff like rice or pasta, so volume-wise, I think pasta wins.

LOL on buying with cream cheese!

I recently found Smoked laughing cow cheese wedges - I consider them in the cream cheese category. Do you have Laughing Cow brand Yakky?

Canada stopped making pennies years ago - cost more than 1 cent to make them!

Nope, not included, but I do enjoy Laughing cow, all sorts of cheeses...

I 'could' get all sorts of brownie mix, sweeteners, chocolate chips - if I wanted to chase sugar & desserts… most candy is out, but baking chocolates included. Chocolate covered rsisins, nuts included. Oh well... Plenty of other things I do want.

Breads are also out, but considering ingredients for that. Hubby enjoys toast & sandwiches. It has been a minute since I made bread so checking that. Love 'how to' food videos - so helpful.

Mmmm love Smoked Gouda! And Gruyere.

Pronounced 'gowda' btw, learned that at a Gouda cheese producer in The Netherlands!

Oh I overdo broccoli and tomatoes.... I just don't consider the overdoing to be overdoing--cause how many calories was it anyways! The smoked Gouda very good and tempting I admit. Gruyère (and emmental) less commonly stumbled upon around here than Swiss. I recently bought a pack of Swiss from Costco and I can re re confirm what I ought to know: the milder taste contributes to me using more of it per mouthful. This doesn't mean that I'm seldom "tempted" into more mouthfuls of more intense cheese. But it does mean that while I will occasionally walk away after consuming a 19 to 21g of old cheddar (or sprinkling it over top of food to melt), the equivalent minimums for the milder cheese seems to be in the 30-40g range :) very calculating I guess 🤷‍♂️

Yes- me too! Why the hell does MFP make these sudden overnight changes? My brain doesn’t want to learn new stuff. But since I use the free version I shouldn’t complain.

Welp, old style back, at least temporarily... yeah

Re health bennies, 'diet philosophy' sure has evolved. 90's no/low fat.

For potatoes v. Sweet potatoes - mom's heart doc had her do the 'glycemic index' which I think was more about speed of digestion impact on blood glucose than nutrient value.

For me, when I thought hmmmm, maybe I should find some 'healthy food options' - I started with spices and freggies… still love regular taters any style and was surprised I adore sweet taters now too! LOL

— still don't know if 1 is healther? Do know I ought to eat some, not a ginormous bowl! LOL

Cough cough:

I logged on MFP from 2014—11—21 to 2020—10—24

From 2024—10—25 to today, I've been logging on Cronometer.

Initially I was quite discomforted by the changes but I've discovered many useful tricks with Cronometer that, frankly, probably make it better for me — and that's not the extra data that they show.

The two most powerful is partial searches and favorites.

Chicken noodle soup can be reduced to "c no so"

Campbel's Chunky Soups (various varieties) are already on screen with "ca ch" but become almost exclusively Campbel's options with "cam ch"

The other obvious one which fully replaces the MFP most recent for me is the "*" of entries. Say that I've decided on my "perfect" Oh Henry bar entry (because yes, there's a couple!)

I've actually a while back decided to use the USDA entry because it is 462 Cal per 100g instead of the 451 Cal per 100g entry for NCCDB. So I've made the USDA Oh Henry entry a favorite (as with many other products) and most of the time I just search in my favorites (though of course you can just click on either the general or the favorite search at any time and it refreshes)

I also admit there are some sections I don't use (see why above) but they seem to be a mix of other people's logging with one or two entries on top being "mine":

They also appear to have (but I don't actually use them because the previous two methods plus recipes plus the occasional custom entry or meal are more than enough for me to conveniently log) a few "categories": Common Foods, Beverages, Supplements, Brands, Restaurants (and of course Custom with your meals and recipes).

The "Common foods and up to Restaurants" seems to be entries from each of these categories with the "twist" that they APPEAR to surface to the top of the list the 5 items you've logged the most within each category.

Again… I tend to log from the ALL and favorites (plus custom recipes) exclusively.

In any case, Crono has sometimes forced me to accept a more "generic" entry and to internalize that it probably doesn't matter that much which exact brand of green olives I'm logging as long as I'm in the general olive-y ballpark! :)

That's it for my pitch… my quick look into loose-it did not result in overwhelming approval!

By the way. I had an interesting conversation with some of the AI's the other day ;-) And the USDA database USDA, Canadian Nutrient File CNF, the UK Composition of Foods Integrated database (COFID) and Australian Food Composition Database are all available and can be downloaded to one's PC… stored on Google drive or Onedrive and accessed by a free AI instance with the results saved in a google sheets spreadsheet! Even more pertinently, they can also be uploaded and used in a free instance of NotebookLM (I think the USDA database might have to be chopped into a few smaller pieces to meet maximum file sizes for the free version of NotebookLM. NotebookLM is… interesting and only looks at the data you provide… Just saying here!

Bella?????…..

Nic??

Laurie??

Any new lurkers out there? Don’t be shy 🙈!