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  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 15,207 Member

    I will say I've been doing both.

    Things may change moving forward because of added disincentives to larger high calorie meals.

    But I will admit that over the years the lower calorie large volume meals initially helped quite a bit.

    Then slowly they became less satisfying by themselves as a continuous goal and I seem to have become more aware of sufficient caloric intake whether it came in a smaller or a larger package.

    Doesn't mean I don't overshoot the denser packages!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

    But I'm generally aware of it. And within the parameters of daily deficit (and trigger) management perhaps slightly less inclined to over do things.

    Moving forward it now looks like new limitations may come into play and overdoing things may result in irresistible nap mode... which could become an extra disincentive!🤷‍♂️

  • yakkystuff
    yakkystuff Posts: 873 Member

    Nap mode, tot understand - from large meals. I also do better with several meals, emotionally - so double bonus that way for me too.

    The major issue for us is the salt. Processed foods way overshoot the targets - so the frozen vegs are easy & helpful there.

  • BCLadybug888
    BCLadybug888 Posts: 2,020 Member
    edited June 15

    Yakky, I'm all for volumetrics, but can see the potential downside in normalizing/maintaining eating large quantities in order to feel full.

    Love the chart! Thanks for sharing! Could you possibly type out a link to it? I cannot use "quote" function, which was how I used to be able to download such things…or maybe friend me so you could pm it to me. Not sure if that will work tho'.

    About me - I gave a detailed surgery update under Share your Day thread, but suffice to say all is well 🙂

  • lauriekallis
    lauriekallis Posts: 5,269 Member

    I am a bit surprised at the Whole Grains, Legumes, Pasta and Avocado being (sort of) included in the low-density foods to eat. The calories in those babies pile up really really quick for me.

  • yakkystuff
    yakkystuff Posts: 873 Member
    edited June 16

    @BCLadybug888 - are you able to press & hold a spot on the image to be able to download an image?

    Re the calorie density chart, our RD gave us that when we were calorie counting with myplate for food choices.

    Now we are trying DASH food servings approach for heart/health reasons including salt targets.

    So did a net search of that chart - because also did a huh at whole grains, avocado - but they are less dense when plain than processed into junk? Buttt… I would tend to put avocado with seeds, oils.

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    —anyway, appears the original 'calorie density chart' appears to be a 'vector stock photo' that many websites are using.

    Here is a more explanatory chart KenoshaHeart.org.

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    Resource link to Craig Martin and Dr Fullin mentioned on the chart:

    https://kenoshaheart.org/calorie-density-charts/

    https://kenoshaheart.org/calorie-density-charts/

    The chart and info from website appear to adapt and extend the 1998 work of Jeff Novick.

    Towards the bottom of the page link are more links, explanations.

    Technically speaking, I'm not much for science speak but this approach fits well for me - swapping junk food (high density) for real food (lower density) and the charts are a nice visual.

    (Mfp system hides actual link style... puts clickable link as shown.)

    Edit to add - nor can I figure how to delete the duplicate… ;)

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 15,207 Member

    I agree with a lot of the density information. But satiety also has to be taken into account and considered.

    F.e. and on a personal level Animal Protein is neither monolithic (a rib steak does not have the same calories as sole or pollock) and, for me, they tend to be more filling than, for example, avocado or hummus… or pasta for that matter. And between rice and pasta I am not sure which one I would actually find less satiating… I think I have an infinite capacity for rice ;-)

  • lauriekallis
    lauriekallis Posts: 5,269 Member

    Me too - but once I stop eating - I don't feel hungry for a little while :)

    If I stop eating before the numbers are tooo bad.

  • Yoolypr
    Yoolypr Posts: 3,678 Member

    Oh to be able to STOP 🛑 when there are leftover calories!

  • lauriekallis
    lauriekallis Posts: 5,269 Member

    Stopping is hard if it's between you and your willpower. Such a first world problem we have. Too much food available.

  • lauriekallis
    lauriekallis Posts: 5,269 Member

    Are you home, Yooly, or still in Ohio?

  • Yoolypr
    Yoolypr Posts: 3,678 Member

    Still traveling. Back to Texas tomorrow. Then going on another quick trip the rest of the week.

  • yakkystuff
    yakkystuff Posts: 873 Member

    Not sure there's a chart for stopping… lol

    —it's all just tools and someone else's ideas… I've had my fill of that. Seeking what works fod me, the rest is left on the shelf. Thinking of clothes shopping, try on many, send unworkables back, keep the doables and maybe some to try for later. I rarely give a 2nd thought to the ones I sent back. On rare occasion do I revisit and snag something on 2nd thought.

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 15,207 Member

    Now that's the correct process in my books

    Plus a consideration that what does or doesn't work today may need tweaking or benefit from revisiting and reconsideration in the future

  • yakkystuff
    yakkystuff Posts: 873 Member

    Yes! Agree

    US has stopped making pennies.

    My health insurance has a $100 monthly allowance to spend on things for health, over 90,000 products approved.

    Butttttt, I can not buy many things... no bread, ghee but no other butter, and no cheeses except most varieties/brands of cream cheese...

    Hence, this struck my funny bone... (not cultural.)

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  • BCLadybug888
    BCLadybug888 Posts: 2,020 Member

    The 1st chart I did a screenshot and cropped lol. Holding down on it does nothing.

    It states per 100 grams, and I'm imagining that must be cooked weight for stuff like rice or pasta, so volume-wise, I think pasta wins.

    LOL on buying with cream cheese!

    I recently found Smoked laughing cow cheese wedges - I consider them in the cream cheese category. Do you have Laughing Cow brand Yakky?

    Canada stopped making pennies years ago - cost more than 1 cent to make them!

  • lauriekallis
    lauriekallis Posts: 5,269 Member

    smoked! That should buy a lot of something :) Probably buy a new car with enough of them.
    I've been enjoying the jalapeno flavour!

  • yakkystuff
    yakkystuff Posts: 873 Member

    Nope, not included, but I do enjoy Laughing cow, all sorts of cheeses...

    I 'could' get all sorts of brownie mix, sweeteners, chocolate chips - if I wanted to chase sugar & desserts… most candy is out, but baking chocolates included. Chocolate covered rsisins, nuts included. Oh well... Plenty of other things I do want.

    Breads are also out, but considering ingredients for that. Hubby enjoys toast & sandwiches. It has been a minute since I made bread so checking that. Love 'how to' food videos - so helpful.