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  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    Crunchy Sugar Balls
    8 ounces of semi sweet chocolate bits
    3 tablespoons of light corn syrup
    1/4 cup of orange juice
    1/4 cup whiskey ( I used Bourbon + 1 tbs.)
    2 1/2 cups crushed vanilla wafers ( 9 or 10 ounces)
    1/2 cup powdered sugar
    1 cup nutmeats, finely chopped

    Melt chocolate pieces over hot ( not boiling ) water, remove from heat; add corn syrup, orange juice, and whiskey. mix.
    combine the vanilla wafers, powdered sugar, and nutmeats.
    Add to the chocolate mixture and mix well.
    Let stand about 30 minutes. Then form into 1 inch balls and roll in granulated or powdered sugar.
    Let the sugar balls ripen in a covered container at least several days. ( approximately 4 1/2 dozen )

    We followed the heating directions on the bag of Chocolate for heating in the Microwave being careful not to heat it for to long as it can seize up. I heated for 75% of the time, stirred the Chocolate and then finished heating it.

    The first batch we had Pecans so we used those, I have picked up English Walnuts for the upcoming second batch :)

    FWIW We used a Food Processor to turn the Vanilla Wafers into crumbs and to chop the nuts, Labor saving is never a bad thing.

    Enjoy
    Roger

    P.S. We have found it easiest to use a small melon baller to form the balls and then have the sugar on a baking sheet and drop the ball there and then roll them around to get a even coating of Powdered Sugar, then let sit a little while before storing them.
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    Hi Jan
    Congratulations
    You achieved this :)
    Buttons61 13 hours ago
    burned 502 calories doing 90 minutes of Cleaning, heavy, vigorous effort

    Cheers
    Roger
  • Buttons61
    Buttons61 Posts: 1,636 Member
    edited December 2017
    good morning!

    Glad you found some change! I guess your weather will be not quite mild, but maybe not as annoyingly cold either, Lol! Kudos for going out in it!! <3

    A good way to drop that Chinese, too!! :)

    I suspect you are quite right, some freak is posting their destruction of the footprints for bragging rights. I am assuming they had dumb parents that forgot to teach them a few things in the 1 yr. to 5 year age level.

    The belfies are a stupid trend. I actually would not appreciate being subjected to it all the time, that is what porn is for, and they can post away!....lol! It is one thing to have it as a one time joke, but entirely different to be doing it everywhere. One of the first things you learn in traveling and living overseas in the AF is customs, and not to offer offence to your host country. It is fine with me if they get jailed. I hope they do! :D And to do that with a sacred place for a culture is just gross. Only Americans are often so entitled and spoiled they think they have the right to do that. Of course that is just me... but serious on lack of respect in the U.S. :s

    Well, Chester has barked non stop this morning. He barked all night and I put him in the bathroom and shut the door. He was quiet finally a few hours from exhaustion I guess.. That is when May May and I slept. About 3 hours if we were lucky. I have to fight him for him to take his meds, go out, drink water, eat (which he isn't) and about anything else. I am not sure how we will manage till Tuesday. He is just kind of insane... I hope he can get back to normal for a bit at some point. Otherwise I am just torturing him for the end of his life. I had so needed this week to be my retreat kind of week end. Not sure constant barking, shrieking and whining is the same......Christmas humbug!!! :/

    Great humor by the way!! Thank you, I needed that!! :) ...Jan

    P.S. Thank you for the recipe! I just need the chocolate!! :)
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    Here is one of Roger's Moldy Oldies
    Enjoy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7u0ghPuaEE
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    I posted some more Humor, Enjoy

    Hi
    I'm back from walking this Morning + 1 damp dollar bill and 1 corroded penny, Whee. The temperature this morning was 34 on the porch and 35 on the cable channel. The rain arrived on time as was forecast yesterday and ended overnight.

    If anyone wants the chocolate banana bread recipe as well, let me know.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/21/mysterious-australian-wwi-submarine-found-after-103-years-oldest-naval-mystery-solved-discovery-103/972636001/
    Mysterious Australian WWI submarine found after 103 years

    https://ntknetwork.com/nfl-team-says-anthem-protest-has-caused-people-to-stop-coming-to-games/
    NFL Team Says Anthem Protest Has Caused People to Stop Coming to Games

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-detains-230-boys-girls-drinking-dancing-103434091.html
    Iran detains 230 boys and girls for drinking, dancing

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-22/subway-closes-909-stores-2017-its-beginning-crisis
    Subway Closes 909 Stores In 2017: It's The "Beginning Of A Crisis"

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/12/20/holiday-packages-environmental-recycling/
    Holiday Packages Are Causing An Environmental And Recycling Nightmare

    http://beta.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-cerutti-mastodon-20171222-htmlstory.html
    How an ancient mastodon ignited debate over humans’ arrival in North America

    Havw a Merry Christmas Eve
    Roger
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    Buttons61 wrote: »
    good morning!

    Glad you found some change! I guess your weather will be not quite mild, but maybe not as annoyingly cold either, Lol! Kudos for going out in it!! <3

    A good way to drop that Chinese, too!! :)

    I suspect you are quite right, some freak is posting their destruction of the footprints for bragging rights. I am assuming they had dumb parents that forgot to teach them a few things in the 1 yr. to 5 year age level.

    The belfies are a stupid trend. I actually would not appreciate being subjected to it all the time, that is what porn is for, and they can post away!....lol! It is one thing to have it as a one time joke, but entirely different to be doing it everywhere. One of the first things you learn in traveling and living overseas in the AF is customs, and not to offer offence to your host country. It is fine with me if they get jailed. I hope they do! :D And to do that with a sacred place for a culture is just gross. Only Americans are often so entitled and spoiled they think they have the right to do that. Of course that is just me... but serious on lack of respect in the U.S. :s
    Hi Jan
    I think of things like that destruction and the fact that so many kids these days are in a one parent situation due to the destruction of the traditional marriage that the one parent there is works or in a two parent family that they both work :(

    When I read about things like those Belfies I am not amazed that the term "Ugly American" is used. These spoiled people are shocked when they get arrested and imprisoned for doing things they can get away with in our too liberal society.
    Well, Chester has barked non stop this morning. He barked all night and I put him in the bathroom and shut the door. He was quiet finally a few hours from exhaustion I guess.. That is when May May and I slept. About 3 hours if we were lucky. I have to fight him for him to take his meds, go out, drink water, eat (which he isn't) and about anything else. I am not sure how we will manage till Tuesday. He is just kind of insane... I hope he can get back to normal for a bit at some point. Otherwise I am just torturing him for the end of his life. I had so needed this week to be my retreat kind of week end. Not sure constant barking, shrieking and whining is the same......Christmas humbug!!! :/

    Great humor by the way!! Thank you, I needed that!! :) ...Jan

    P.S. Thank you for the recipe! I just need the chocolate!! :)
    I'm sorry about Your lack of sleep.

    I hope that today's humor helps.
    You seem to have a well stocked pantry :)

    I bought some Stocking stuffers at the Dollar Store while I was out walking, Things I know my brother can use such as a couple of large Calendars and Decorated Boxes he can Reuse with the things he bakes and hands out. When I was there I bought a quart of 1% milk for next years use, With a use by date of Nov. 21, 2018

    I was in the local grocery store buying a can of crushed Pineapple to use on the Ham when it is baked tomorrow. They had a couple brands of Panettone on a shelf. I also picked up some Sliced Roast Beef off of the clearance area that I have popped into the Freezer section for use as the protein portion later next week or the week after. One was $0.73, the second was $1.47 and the third was $0.94....

    I have had the bargain cuts before and they were good so I figured what the heck :)

    Have a Good Christmas Eve
    Roger
  • Buttons61
    Buttons61 Posts: 1,636 Member
    Merry Christmas!

    Hope it is merry and bright!! :)

    Look at you finding a dollar bill and change! Pretty cool! I plan on wearing my heatable eye mask I got for some relaxing shut eye!
    I have been munching on a cheese ball and crackers since Friday nite. Nice because- no cooking!! :p

    Chester has intermittent periods of sleep and howling. He has given up walking, which is a slight problem for me. I have trouble getting down so often for his meds. Carrying him too all the time is a problem. He is getting weaker. Wish vets still made portable visits! He ate his peanut butter pills and drank water. Always good..

    It is dark and cloudy here, and very quiet. I watched the new Ben Hur movie. Not as good as the original (of course!!), more like a companion movie, kind of like a companion book.The end did feature Christ some. Always good as it is The Tale of the Christ, lol. Only Hollywood... :*

    Great humor and articles. Poor Subway!

    Have a wonderful Christmas Day! Enjoy it all! I am headed for some amaretto and sweet and sour mix! o:) Jan
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    More Humor Today

    Hi
    I'm back from walking this Morning + 1 somewhat corroded Dime, Whee. Yesterdays damp Dollar Bill and the previous bills I had found were all found the morning after a overnight rain :)
    The temperature this morning was 36 on the porch and 36 on the cable channel. The overnight snow or rain that was forecast to be gone by sunup was rain in this area although I did get blasted by a few icy pellets on the way back home as the wind picked up.
    ifYLDS.jpg

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5208803/Rural-towns-trying-Americans-move.html
    Get PAID up to $80,000 to move to struggling towns: Cash grants, student loan pay offs and free land are offered as incentives to revitalize rural communities across the U.S.

    https://nypost.com/2017/12/13/grinch-accused-of-burning-towns-40k-christmas-tree/
    Grinch accused of burning town’s $40K Christmas tree

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/667148/climate-change-uk-weather-forecast-global-freeze-ice-age-earth-2019
    ICE AGE EARTH: Global FREEZE lasting 120 YEARS threatens ‘more intense’ winters from 2019

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/12/major-east-coast-snowstorm-for-new-years-eve/
    Major East Coast Snowstorm for New Years Eve?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/bees-attack-brazilian-cops-sting-gone-wrong-162524121.html
    Bees attack Brazilian cops in sting gone wrong

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-22/can-us-survive-emp-attack
    Can The US Survive An EMP Attack?

    Have a Merry Christmas Eve
    Roger
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    Buttons61 wrote: »
    Merry Christmas!

    Hope it is merry and bright!! :)

    Look at you finding a dollar bill and change! Pretty cool! I plan on wearing my heatable eye mask I got for some relaxing shut eye!
    I have been munching on a cheese ball and crackers since Friday nite. Nice because- no cooking!! :p

    Chester has intermittent periods of sleep and howling. He has given up walking, which is a slight problem for me. I have trouble getting down so often for his meds. Carrying him too all the time is a problem. He is getting weaker. Wish vets still made portable visits! He ate his peanut butter pills and drank water. Always good..

    It is dark and cloudy here, and very quiet. I watched the new Ben Hur movie. Not as good as the original (of course!!), more like a companion movie, kind of like a companion book.The end did feature Christ some. Always good as it is The Tale of the Christ, lol. Only Hollywood... :*

    Great humor and articles. Poor Subway!

    Have a wonderful Christmas Day! Enjoy it all! I am headed for some amaretto and sweet and sour mix! o:) Jan

    Hi Jan
    Merry Christmas

    Just curious about the Cheese Ball, Cheddar Cheese and or coated with crushed nuts ?

    I'm sorry to hear about Chester :( Good Luck with Him.

    IMO most remakes are not as good, in part as I suspect that the Producer and Director make changes to "improve it".

    I saw This Posted
    Buttons61 7 hours ago
    Buttons61's food and exercise diary was completed for 12/24/2017 and was under Buttons61's calorie goal
    And this
    Buttons61 17 hours ago
    burned 279 calories doing 60 minutes of Cleaning, light, moderate effort

    Congratulations
    Roger
  • Buttons61
    Buttons61 Posts: 1,636 Member
    Good morning!

    Hope you had a great Christmas. :)

    Ours is cold, 36 deg. but sunny. I had about 3 hrs sleep. Ready for any nap time. :D

    Cheese ball was cheddar, mild and sharp combo and creme cheese, hot sauce, a little grated onion and garlic and also pecans, which I added to the mix rather than roll, so you get some in every bite. Not bad..almost gone!

    Did you get afternoon snow later in the day?

    Take care, not too many Christmas indulgences!! :# ...Jan

    PS thanks for the Spike Jones video! Awesome and funny in places!
  • hope4change_val
    hope4change_val Posts: 2,116 Member
    Still no energy to read. Still in hospital. Up until night before last, had 103+ fevers. Last night was only 100. Merry Christmas
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    some more Humor, mostly non Christmas

    Hi
    I'm back from walking this Morning, There was a bit of a chilly breeze. The temperature this morning was 25 on the porch and 24 on the cable channel.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-caught-carrying-baby-jesus-figurine-arrested-theft-230231504.html
    Woman caught carrying baby Jesus figurine arrested for theft
    Associated Press•December 24, 2017


    http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/florida/small-clams-police-call-129653
    Man Charged For 911 Calls About Tiny Clams
    Seafood fan was upset that his clams were "extremely so


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5206489/ufo-exist-beyond-reasonable-doubt-former-pentagon/
    SPACE INVADERS Pentagon X-Files chief says UFOs DO exist and aliens may have visited earth from outer space

    Luis Elizondo - former head of a secret £16million US government programme into extraterrestrial life - claims the existence of UFOs has now been proven 'beyond reasonable doubt'
    By Olivia Loveridge-Greene and Sam Webb, Updated: 24th December 2017, 1:32 pm


    http://beta.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-missile-defense-flaws-20171222-story.html
    Hmmm...
    http://beta.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-missile-defense-flaws-20171222-story.html

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/12/the-big-list-of-tax-cut-payoffs/
    THE BIG LIST OF TAX-CUT PAYOFFS
    17 companies announce bonuses, more pay, expansion

    Have a Great Tuesday
    Roger
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    Buttons61 wrote: »
    Good morning!

    Hope you had a great Christmas. :)

    Ours is cold, 36 deg. but sunny. I had about 3 hrs sleep. Ready for any nap time. :D

    Cheese ball was cheddar, mild and sharp combo and creme cheese, hot sauce, a little grated onion and garlic and also pecans, which I added to the mix rather than roll, so you get some in every bite. Not bad..almost gone!

    Did you get afternoon snow later in the day?

    Take care, not too many Christmas indulgences!! :# ...Jan

    PS thanks for the Spike Jones video! Awesome and funny in places!

    Hi Jan
    You are still warmer than what we are running here. The forecast is for below freezing for the next 7 days with some of the overnights in the single digits.

    Ah Ha! I had thought You had one of the commercial Cheese Balls, possibly from Hickory Farms not Home made :)
    That makes sense to me to work the nuts into it, Just as almost everything goes better with Bacon. Baked Goods 99% of the time are better with Nuts, Possibly 100% of the time TBH.

    I noticed that there was not nearly as much traffic as usual :)
    Even the local news channel is on a Weekend type schedule compared to a normal Tuesday.

    We did not get any snow here however a short distance to the North in NJ they had a White Christmas.

    I'm glad to hear You enjoyed the Spike Jones, I enjoyed hearing it again after all the years since I last heard it.

    Have a Good Day
    Roger
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    Still no energy to read. Still in hospital. Up until night before last, had 103+ fevers. Last night was only 100. Merry Christmas

    Hi Val
    I had hoped You would be doing better :(
    103+ is a really high temperature. 100 is a lot better IMO.

    I hope this fits...
    xkOidZ.jpg

    Good Luck
    Roger
  • Buttons61
    Buttons61 Posts: 1,636 Member
    Good morning!

    Val, it is so good to hear from you! Sorry you are still in the hospital! I am sure it put a wrench in your celebration, but so thankful with your roomie you have someone at the house for Em and you! Glad your fever is down somewhat! Sepsis is a bugger to treat, no doubt! I will send lots of prayer and healing energy your way! <3
  • Buttons61
    Buttons61 Posts: 1,636 Member
    Good morning Two!! :#

    I wrote in phases today. I did get a good night sleep somewhat unfortunately. We put Chester to sleep yesterday. My daughter carried him for me to the vet and he went peacefully, though I am afraid he suffered mentally the days before and I waited longer than I should have. Even though he was old and frail, he was stubborn and a fighter and loved still being here, so I did not make the best choice in the long run. I also realized my limits of what I can physically do- being older and overweight were not to his advantage at all. I just could give him limited care as he was on the floor, and I had a time treating and loving on him. A bummer. But most of his life was good and pampered, as much as he would let me... <3:'(

    Roger I have really appreciated your humor and articles and steadfastness these last few days!

    Really, people still exist that call 911 for small clams, which are actually the tastiest anyway. People truly exist who do not understand 911? :s

    I really love these UFO disclosures! Amazing the government can "hide" 60 million dollars or whatever the project cost. lol! I am still good as it is an interest of mine. I do think we need them to declassify this and some other doings! I do believe in UFOs and other life forms. If they are smart, they will have little to do with us, messed up as we are!! :D

    Today I am resting and going to have a Lord of the Rings marathon. Some things can be fixed a little watching the battle between good and evil and believing in elves and hobbits and good wizards for a short time! <3

    Take care all!! ..Jan B)
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    More humor today

    Hi
    I'm back from walking this Morning, It was a bit of a chilly to say the least. The temperature this morning was 21 on the porch and 20 on the cable channel. Yesterday I mentioned to my Brother that I was fighting the WWII battle, The Battle of the bulge ever since the Three Feasts Holiday starting with Thanksgiving, Christmas and the upcoming New Years Day meal. His answer was that he was fighting the same battle :)

    The overnight lows are forecast to be in the single digits with a wind chill taking it down to zero :( They are still forecasting Snow for Saturday with the forecast models indicating not much to a significant amount.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/local/cops-drunken-driver-ran-over-christmas-trees-dekalb-church-lot/UBMgiXZ1NvkyK9yTtMz8yO/
    Cops: Drunken driver ran over Christmas trees in DeKalb church lot
    Ben Brasch The Atlanta Journal-Constitution 12:05 p.m Monday, Dec. 25, 2017


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-maine-snow-is-everywhere-but-not-snowplow-drivers-1514203200

    U.S.
    In Maine, Snow Is Everywhere. But Not Snowplow Drivers.
    The state struggles to fill jobs clearing the roads
    By Jon Kamp, Updated Dec. 25, 2017 6:11 p.m. ET


    http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2017/12/24/man-beats-atm-says-gave-too-much-cash-cocoa-police-report/979908001/
    Man beats ATM, says it gave too much cash, Cocoa police report
    J.D. Gallop, FLORIDA TODAY Updated 12:22 p.m. ET Dec. 24, 2017


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/telemarketers-ahoy/article/2010940
    Telemarketers, Ahoy
    Annoyed by those phone calls pitching solar panels, debt relief, and timeshares? Help is on the way.
    4:00 AM, Dec 22, 2017 | By Tony Mecia
    From the article
    A whopping 56 percent of those taking the survey said they considered telemarketers to have low or very low levels of honesty and ethical standards. The only groups that rated more loathsome were lobbyists (60 percent) and members of Congress (64 percent). :)


    http://www.goerie.com/news/20171226/erie-woman-receives-284-billion-electric-bill
    Erie woman receives $284 billion electric bill
    The good news, if you can call it that, was that Horomanski didn’t have to pay the entire $284,460,000,000 until November 2018. Her minimum payment for December was a relatively paltry $28,156.


    http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/23/govt-website-claims-santa-will-move-to-the-south-pole-to-escape-global-warming/
    Gov’t Website Claims Santa Will Move To The South Pole To Escape Global Warming
    Michael Bastasch, 1:01 PM 12/23/2017

    Have a Great Wednesday
    Roger
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    edited December 2017
    Buttons61 wrote: »
    Good morning Two!! :#

    I wrote in phases today. I did get a good night sleep somewhat unfortunately. We put Chester to sleep yesterday. My daughter carried him for me to the vet and he went peacefully, though I am afraid he suffered mentally the days before and I waited longer than I should have. Even though he was old and frail, he was stubborn and a fighter and loved still being here, so I did not make the best choice in the long run. I also realized my limits of what I can physically do- being older and overweight were not to his advantage at all. I just could give him limited care as he was on the floor, and I had a time treating and loving on him. A bummer. But most of his life was good and pampered, as much as he would let me... <3:'(

    Roger I have really appreciated your humor and articles and steadfastness these last few days!

    Really, people still exist that call 911 for small clams, which are actually the tastiest anyway. People truly exist who do not understand 911? :s

    I really love these UFO disclosures! Amazing the government can "hide" 60 million dollars or whatever the project cost. lol! I am still good as it is an interest of mine. I do think we need them to declassify this and some other doings! I do believe in UFOs and other life forms. If they are smart, they will have little to do with us, messed up as we are!! :D

    Today I am resting and going to have a Lord of the Rings marathon. Some things can be fixed a little watching the battle between good and evil and believing in elves and hobbits and good wizards for a short time! <3

    Take care all!! ..Jan B)

    Hi Jan
    I'm sorry to hear that You had to do that :(
    Sometimes You have to do the hard things.

    As for the 911 call, Look at this one that happened back in 2013
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/911-Calls-Cable-Outage-Fairfield-County-Connecticut-Police-220223561.html
    Police in Connecticut say frantic residents called 911 after their cable went out Sunday, and authorities were not happy.

    Later in the article
    In one conversation, the caller says "hi, I am just trying to figure out what's going on. We have no TV."

    The dispatcher reminds her that 911 is for "life-threatening emergencies."

    "I know that, I know that," the caller says.

    When asked whether she has such an emergency, she says, "no, we're just trying to find out what's going on."


    The Holiday was good here except for the overeating of the food. I had way to much of the Mashed Potatoes and the Ham as well as the Pumpkin Pie topped with gobs of homemade Whipped Cream :(

    It was cold yesterday and colder today, I usually head out with the heated mittens on low and bump them up to medium as needed later on in the walk today low was not good enough so I went to Medium and then to high fairly quickly, Tomorrow is supposed to be worse unhappily.

    Cheers
    Roger
  • hope4change_val
    hope4change_val Posts: 2,116 Member
    Still delirious with fever. Surgery today to drain additional abcess.
  • RogerToo
    RogerToo Posts: 16,157 Member
    I have posted more humor, Enjoy

    Hi
    I'm back from walking this Morning, It was chilly to say the least. The temperature this morning was 13 on the porch and 14 on the cable channel. Yesterday's forecast was for colder so I guess it could be worse. The wind was blowing so the wind chill was uncomfortable :(

    https://apnews.com/f95dd6128eb841debc5e21e653d4386b/Winds-of-worry:-US-fishermen-fear-forests-of-power-turbines
    Winds of worry: US fishermen fear forests of power turbines
    By PHILIP MARCELO


    https://www.rt.com/news/414268-elderly-woman-blown-off-balcony/
    70yo woman blown off balcony by hurricane-like wind, taken to hospital in back of truck
    Published time: 26 Dec, 2017 14:09


    http://www.nasdaq.com/article/chinas-shanghai-to-battle-big-city-disease-by-limiting-population-to-25-mln-20171225-00067
    China's Shanghai to battle 'big city disease' by limiting population to 25 mln
    December 25, 2017

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/26/politics/white-house-jackson-magnolia-south-facade/index.html
    [bExclusive: Iconic White House tree to be cut down
    By Kate Bennett, Updated 7:05 AM ET, Wed December 27, 201[/b]

    Have a Great Thursday
    Roger