We should do another "Meativore May."
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baconslave wrote: »Guys...really? What is in the water today?!
I was going to ask if the moon was out of phase with Saturn or something today...4 -
at least I know the quality of the source of that particular concern with this challenge is... and I can completely ignore it.0
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baconslave wrote: »Guys...really? What is in the water today?!
I was going to ask if the moon was out of phase with Saturn or something today...
I feel like I'm in Invasion of the Body Snatchers...
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I don't think that's what people have an issue with....food_lover16 wrote: »
I saw a lot of problems with that video. There weren't any studies mentioned t back up what he is saying. He advocates only 3-4 oz of meat.. he also said that the lean body mass formula for protein is wrong 'doesn't even know where that came from'... HELLO, one google search shows that it was determined based on scientific studies.The only problem with that video is that what we are suggesting is a moderate protein, higher fat way of eating.
Not someone I will take nutritional advice from.AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Doesn't make his information false. People really love to go after each other.
@johnnylew, I'm not going after him, but anyone who practices medicine in a specific sphere, and chooses to withhold that information, and purports expertise in a field he clearly has no long-standing training in, is automatically suspect, as far as I am concerned.
Put it this way: I set more store by Dr Jason Fung, Dr Sarah Hallsberg and Dr Andreas Eenfeldt, than I do this guy.
Even 'Butter Bob' is more credible. At least he's completely honest and open about who HE is....
Yeah, because his advice to eat green vegetables is sooo crazy, he must be a quack. Who would listen to that kind of advice....Wow...I am done with this thread.
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »
I don't think that's what people have an issue with....food_lover16 wrote: »
I saw a lot of problems with that video. There weren't any studies mentioned t back up what he is saying. He advocates only 3-4 oz of meat.. he also said that the lean body mass formula for protein is wrong 'doesn't even know where that came from'... HELLO, one google search shows that it was determined based on scientific studies.The only problem with that video is that what we are suggesting is a moderate protein, higher fat way of eating.
Not someone I will take nutritional advice from.AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Doesn't make his information false. People really love to go after each other.
@johnnylew, I'm not going after him, but anyone who practices medicine in a specific sphere, and chooses to withhold that information, and purports expertise in a field he clearly has no long-standing training in, is automatically suspect, as far as I am concerned.
Put it this way: I set more store by Dr Jason Fung, Dr Sarah Hallsberg and Dr Andreas Eenfeldt, than I do this guy.
Even 'Butter Bob' is more credible. At least he's completely honest and open about who HE is....
Yeah, because his advice to eat green vegetables is sooo crazy, he must be a quack. Who would listen to that kind of advice....Wow...I am done with this thread.
Ok then do a Google search for "Does Leafy Greens Remove Toxins from the Liver" and 4.4MM results come back. Discredit each of those.
and then Google "does excess protein cause toxins in the liver" 41MM results will come back.
Geez...I picked one video and the back lash. There are literally million of other sources.0 -
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Please move all discussion regarding the benefits of plants, vegetables, and fiber to a different thread. Those topics are off-topic here.11 -
The deal is that many view detoxing as woo. If it were an academic study, then it would have clout. It's a lot harder to sift through the jargon in academic studies. A video might have good info or it might not be accurate. Studies are viewed as evidence. Green leafies in some circles, are considered to be supportive of detox pathways and boost liver function. That's not a position of MDs. I'd for one love some literature, as I know for a fact there are probably studies buried deep on things like this. I'd love to read them. We don't hear about them, because you can't patent chlorophyll or leafy greens to turn them into a cash cow for big Pharma.
If you guys want to take the argument in another thread, which might gather others that have links to studies.
But this is a support thread of the Meativore Challenge...Hint hint wink wink nudge nudge. 6 -
@baconslave, You've been watching some Monty Python, haven't you....?
I ate raw beef salad tonight.
You don't get a whole lot more 'meativore' than that! Hannibal Lechter's got nuthin' on me!
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DarlingNikki2011 wrote: »Did we ever get a “why” for doing this? I think I am going to do it for at least 2 weeks. I’m on my 4th week of keto, past the keto flu, but don’t feel like I am nutritional ketosis – breath is fine, energy is blah-ish (normal) but not bad, weight loss has stalled (which is fine, doing this for the energy, feeling satiated and to - hopefully - help with neurological disease, mainly). Maybe this will give me a boost into NK. I am going to have coconut oil because I have so much of it and won’t spend any more money on oils/fats until it’s gone. I AM going to try to cut out my raw cacao – I’m assuming it’s not allowed – and stevia because I think stevia is a bit overrated . . . at least for me - cravings-wise, and not reaching NK.
Why. That's the big question. Lots of people have different reasons. The potential reasons, listed below, are not comprehensive.- Weight normalization
Yeah, you will probably lose fat, if you're over-fat. You'll probably gain some weight, if you're underweight. You'll approach a healthy weight for your body.
Probably? This is something I'm worried about because I am still quite obese and was just getting back to keto. Will this have an adverse effect?
Too much protein will throw you out of ketosis.
1. This isn't a keto diet.
2. This second part isn't [absolutely] true. I have tested blood ketones with massive amounts in a meal and across days. I have never been kicked out even with meals over 160 gram and day after day over 200 grams.
3. This isn't a high-protein diet. The increase in meat someone will be eating is tiny. You are replacing like 80-160 calories of plants.
Thanks Fit, once I realized that this isn't for keto - I understood. Plus, if the protein is kept in the proper proportion with fat and like you say in point 3 which is crucial, not a eat massive/high protein then all is good. I still believe that green vegetables need to help remove the fatty acids that build up in the liver from the protein and fat. But thats just me. Good Luck - this thread seems to have generated alot of passionate responses.
I want you to know, that I totally respect your beliefs and diet. It isn't my way, but it works for you. I don't call my way keto, because it might not result in keto for everyone. I think it should, but I also believe that it is not a big deal as long as the end results are good.
I welcome you to, please, share your thoughts and results from eating as you do (just in a different spot). I urge those, from this thread, to respect your ideas and treat them with the same honest investigation as we ask you to consider our ideas. Let's not dismiss things, out of hand. If everyone did that, how quickly would I have been sent off at the start?
I am often blunt and opinionated, sorry if I come off poorly. But everyone deserves to get the same amount of respect.5 - Weight normalization
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »@baconslave, You've been watching some Monty Python, haven't you....?
I ate raw beef salad tonight.
You don't get a whole lot more 'meativore' than that! Hannibal Lechter's got nuthin' on me! Not half as much as I would like. It's been a while.
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Lupins or spam....? As it's the meativore thread, I think I can guess.....0
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So... I'm trying to figure out the Ketosis/carnivore part.
If you are keeping carbs to less than 5.... how could you not be in ketosis? Is it that you *could* eat too much protein to kick you out? I can't think of another reason, but that reason would be hard to achieve wouldn't it?
@fit_goat I get that you are saying that Carnivore is not 'Keto' and I agree with the logic you posted on that statement, But.... wouldn't carnivore end up putting you into ketosis too? What would be the circumstances that it wouldn't lead to ketosis? I think that is the question that I can't figure out.0 -
baconslave wrote: »
Do Lupins count as veg.....?)0 -
food_lover16 wrote: »So... I'm trying to figure out the Ketosis/carnivore part.
If you are keeping carbs to less than 5.... how could you not be in ketosis? Is it that you *could* eat too much protein to kick you out? I can't think of another reason, but that reason would be hard to achieve wouldn't it?
@fit_goat I get that you are saying that Carnivore is not 'Keto' and I agree with the logic you posted on that statement, But.... wouldn't carnivore end up putting you into ketosis too? What would be the circumstances that it wouldn't lead to ketosis? I think that is the question that I can't figure out.
I can not think of any, nor do I know anyone who has eaten this way and not been in keto. I am open to the possibility that it could happen.
Circumstances that would bring it about? I am thinking it would start with excessive calories (5000+) where the amount of glycerol from the breakdown of fat... etc. Basically, extreme situation where weight loss wouldn't be expected anyway. I am not even 100% sure that it would happen in that case.
For me, ketone levels have been more related to calories-in than anything else (when eating this way). When I was near 4000 calories, that's when I was near 0.9 mmol/L. When I was near 2000 calories, it was closer to 1.5. So, maybe really high calories would kick you out.4 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »baconslave wrote: »
Do Lupins count as veg.....?)
How much are you consuming? Why? What are the benefits you're looking for?
It's a plant, but are you using it in amounts that count as seasoning?0 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »baconslave wrote: »
Do Lupins count as veg.....?)
How much are you consuming? Why? What are the benefits you're looking for?
It's a plant, but are you using it in amounts that count as seasoning?
I hadn't seen that one.
Sorry, Goat, it's a Monty Python skit. "Shut up! This is a hold up, not a botany lesson!"
"So much for the lupins..."1 -
I'm only back on keto, Day Three, now, would fat adaptation be a requirement, or a certain length of time adjusting to ketosis again? May isn't that far off, I'm so intrigued by this.....I always was. It is already a struggle getting Bob off my back for not eating fruit..2
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SuperCarLori wrote: »I'm only back on keto, Day Three, now, would fat adaptation be a requirement, or a certain length of time adjusting to ketosis again? May isn't that far off, I'm so intrigued by this.....I always was. It is already a struggle getting Bob off my back for not eating fruit..
Nope. You could go from Standard American Diet right to this. It would be a heck of an adaptation, but not worse than SAD to keto. Just keep the electrolytes high.2 -
I have learned much from this thread - really. However, I am slow in a couple of areas . . . What is CKD -- chronic kidney disease? Also, I am dense when it comes to macros. I don't have a clue. Shall I read up on macros on a certain website? Thanks, guys.0
