Runners that need some nutritional accountability
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The other thing - While in Seattle at my daughter's I didn't run a lot. Maybe two or three times but I walked so much since I didn't have a car and we also walked all over on Saturday, shopping, etc... I ate ok but was amazed to see that I dropped 4 pounds. She also didn't have much food in the house and works really long hours so wasn't there much for dinners. Part of the walking was to her local grocery store for supplies and then back again when I realized I forgot something. I got the rotisserie chicken package and tortilla soup at Costco. Made the soup more protein heavy by adding more chicken to it and that would be lunch or dinner (one day it was both). I made chicken and dumplings one night and it was dinner a few times. We also went out a few times over the weekend. I have no idea what triggered the weight loss and I really expected to see a gain.
@shanaber I'm convinced that it's easier to lose weight by walking off the calories than running them off. I have no studies to back me up, of course. My thinking is that when you walk, your body is just burning calories an the normal rate and doesn't freak out. When you run, though, you're burning calories at a higher rate, the body freaks out, and it wants all the ALL THE FOOD. NOW.
Or maybe not, I don't know. Seems like it.
I'm not tracking calories today. Yeah, I know I said I would, but not today. I'm planning a 10 mile night trail run and figure I won't have time to eat back all my calories before I go to bed anyway.
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The other thing - While in Seattle at my daughter's I didn't run a lot. Maybe two or three times but I walked so much since I didn't have a car and we also walked all over on Saturday, shopping, etc... I ate ok but was amazed to see that I dropped 4 pounds. She also didn't have much food in the house and works really long hours so wasn't there much for dinners. Part of the walking was to her local grocery store for supplies and then back again when I realized I forgot something. I got the rotisserie chicken package and tortilla soup at Costco. Made the soup more protein heavy by adding more chicken to it and that would be lunch or dinner (one day it was both). I made chicken and dumplings one night and it was dinner a few times. We also went out a few times over the weekend. I have no idea what triggered the weight loss and I really expected to see a gain.
@shanaber I'm convinced that it's easier to lose weight by walking off the calories than running them off. I have no studies to back me up, of course. My thinking is that when you walk, your body is just burning calories an the normal rate and doesn't freak out. When you run, though, you're burning calories at a higher rate, the body freaks out, and it wants all the ALL THE FOOD. NOW.
Or maybe not, I don't know. Seems like it.
I'm not tracking calories today. Yeah, I know I said I would, but not today. I'm planning a 10 mile night trail run and figure I won't have time to eat back all my calories before I go to bed anyway.
I concur! Running was effective for increased weight loss for me for about 6 weeks, and then I went into "runger" mode as you described. By then, though, I was hooked and couldn't stop running, so I've been in 10lb limbo since January!1 -
I've been so focused on the protein, I actually have room for a few carbs... Wow!
@girlinahat I have days like that too, where I can't stop eating. Usually it's stress or PMS or maybe I've been at a deficit too long and my body takes control.
@shanaber Congratulations on the 4 pounds! I hope it stays in Seattle!0 -
@Elise4270 - I hope it does too!
@7lenny7 and @fitoverfortymom - I don't know... I walked and walked and walked before and never lost anything. Oh, maybe a pound or two back and forth. It wasn't until I was lifting weights (helps too I am sure) and then started running and building up to running more and more, that I really lost any significant weight. I am almost wondering if it has more to do with doing different types of activities. I don't really get in that 'must eat everything' runger mode very often and usually just don't eat enough.
So I said I was going to have my Effie's biscuit and PB butter before I headed out to run but I forgot and realized as I was struggling again with the dizziness that I had forgotten it. I am pretty sure this could have been a pretty decent run if I had eaten something more. Oh well... I will do better! That starts with getting to the grocery store!
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Do any of you put protein powder in your coffee? I drink my coffee black but I was thinking the chocolate flavored powder might make an ok mocha?
Also have you tried cooking with it? I saw a pancake mix with added protein powder and was thinking that could be an easy thing to do?0 -
@shanaber I have done all of the above. I prefer the premier protein shakes in my coffee to powder. Powder is hard to mix in.
I also prefer flapjacked pancake mix to making my own. Just easier.0 -
Dinner tonight (after the kids go to bed) is Tortiere (frozen/premade). Never had it before... If we like it, we will get a recipe and try from scratch. Definitely only food for running days though. Very rich.0
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@shanaber I do it fairly frequently. My advice is to mix your protein powder with a small amount of liquid (water or milk) then add it to the coffee. I am sometimes successful just adding it to the coffee... but generally I end up with chunks if I don’t do it he other way0
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@sarahthes We don't see any type of meat pies in our neck of the woods. I like them. If you find a recipe you like please share it.
@hanlonsk @shanaber I added the protein powder to my coffee for a while too. It's something that doesn't want to mix with hot coffee. Most of the powders have soy, so I've gone to the premade stuff exclusively. But, the power does do well if you want cold coffee. I did my own French press cold extraction coffee in the summer.
I was over my calories yesterday. Boo. I wanted something cold last night and had some halo that put me over, I really was probably just thirsty.
Anyone else wierd about what they drink from? I bought some disposable clear plastic cups and do better. But if I have to drink out of a cup at home? It's not happening.0 -
Hi all,
I took a break from running between Oct. 24 and Dec. 26 to focus on fat loss as I had a goal for 2017 to achieve and found it too difficult to both run and lose weight. I reach my goal at one point in Dec., fluctuated a bit, and ended up not reaching my goal by the end. From Dec. 27 through Jan. 14, I took a "diet break" and ate whatever I wanted and as much as I wanted. During that time, I gained back 32 lbs. - 19 lbs. of fat, 11 lbs. of water, and about 2 lbs. of lean tissue (I have very good equipment). I returned to eating very low carb and running again starting Jan. 15, but still have about 18.5 lbs. of fat remaining to lose again, so my body fat has not changed in the last 2 months.
Anyway, I'm eating the right foods for my health, but I just need to eat less. As I said, I find it difficult to eat at a deficit and run, so I've started eating at a deep deficit on non-running (weight lifting) week-days and eating close to maintenance on running days and weekends.
I'm impatient and it is going to take a long time to lose this weight since I'm a very slow loser and also can't really do both quick (normal for most of you) weight loss and cardio training simultaneously. I'm just trying not to stress too much about weight loss, but that is easier said than done. In the end, I'll probably end up going to a quick weight loss in the off season next winter, but will have to skip the "diet break."1 -
@midwesterner85 Good luck on your weight loss. I too found that fat loss and running is an impossible balance. I hope you find what works. I look at some of these marathoners and wonder how they have such low BF. You know that are eating and fueled. Maybe I need a personal chef/trainer and deeper pockets.
How's your luck with a high protein diet?
The trick here, is going to be how to manage your diet when you come off of the weight loss cycle. Will it land you extra pounds? And will you'll be caught in a cycle?
I've found, that I just can't out want/out wit that metabolism/hunger/snacky/bad choices. If this is you, I recommend just finding that something that you can indulge in. Mines soup, and Halo top. The high protein kills my appetite. As does skipping breakfast and early snacks. More often I eat, the harder it is to control the cravings. Open a "eat window". Mines 8 hours from first bite of the day (coffee doesn't count).
Examine stress and sleep. Is this an area that needs improvement (we all need improvement, just is it feasible without moving to a tropical island...deep pockets, a personal chef and a trainer).
Start small. Identify one thing you can control and change. Then "Make that Change" (sorry for the Micheal Jackson reference- too catchy to resist.). One thing.
No motivation? Find it. Make it up. I use doctor appointment dates. Lie to myself (which is fine as long as I know the difference) that I'll be showing off my progress. I'm sure no one cares or notices, but it does offer some motivation because I can pretend it's important, not arbitrary. Make the date mean more than it just being a mark on your calendar. That day, your gonna walk past or interact with someone that is inspired by you. That day is the day to lead, to help, to love another human being desperate for your direction. IDK man. Something like that. Just know your progress matters. So make it matter. Reward? Cool sculpting? Botox?
This is all just food for thought. I'm brainstorming here.
Best of luck/insight/progress/island/trainer... don't forget me when...
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Also have you tried cooking with it? I saw a pancake mix with added protein powder and was thinking that could be an easy thing to do?
I've thrown it in recipes on a whim, like waffles. But we don't make then very often, once a year maybe. Mines mainly used for smoothies. The quest brand needs more liquid than the others. I've added minimal liquid to a few scoops and called it pudding. Not super good, but if you think your brain is somehow going to get over on you and youre likely to find yourself the wrong side of sweets... It'll work. Haha!0 -
@midwesterner85 Good luck on your weight loss. I too found that fat loss and running is an impossible balance. I hope you find what works. I look at some of these marathoners and wonder how they have such low BF. You know that are eating and fueled. Maybe I need a personal chef/trainer and deeper pockets.
How's your luck with a high protein diet?
The trick here, is going to be how to manage your diet when you come off of the weight loss cycle. Will it land you extra pounds? And will you'll be caught in a cycle?
I've found, that I just can't out want/out wit that metabolism/hunger/snacky/bad choices. If this is you, I recommend just finding that something that you can indulge in. Mines soup, and Halo top. The high protein kills my appetite. As does skipping breakfast and early snacks. More often I eat, the harder it is to control the cravings. Open a "eat window". Mines 8 hours from first bite of the day (coffee doesn't count).
Examine stress and sleep. Is this an area that needs improvement (we all need improvement, just is it feasible without moving to a tropical island...deep pockets, a personal chef and a trainer).
Start small. Identify one thing you can control and change. Then "Make that Change" (sorry for the Micheal Jackson reference- too catchy to resist.). One thing.
No motivation? Find it. Make it up. I use doctor appointment dates. Lie to myself (which is fine as long as I know the difference) that I'll be showing off my progress. I'm sure no one cares or notices, but it does offer some motivation because I can pretend it's important, not arbitrary. Make the date mean more than it just being a mark on your calendar. That day, your gonna walk past or interact with someone that is inspired by you. That day is the day to lead, to help, to love another human being desperate for your direction. IDK man. Something like that. Just know your progress matters. So make it matter. Reward? Cool sculpting? Botox?
This is all just food for thought. I'm brainstorming here.
Best of luck/insight/progress/island/trainer... don't forget me when...
@elise4270 I've been back on a zero carb plan for a couple of months now and haven't been losing (though I know I'm eating too much). I know the only macro I really need is protein (and certain essential fats, fish oil), so the plan for weight lifting days now is to just eat nothing but zero carb protein powder. I'm hoping that helps. I tend to do a lot better if I just eliminate something. Allowing a little bit of a problem food is like giving an alcoholic "just 1 drink." It will not stop there.1 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »@midwesterner85 Good luck on your weight loss. I too found that fat loss and running is an impossible balance. I hope you find what works. I look at some of these marathoners and wonder how they have such low BF. You know that are eating and fueled. Maybe I need a personal chef/trainer and deeper pockets.
How's your luck with a high protein diet?
The trick here, is going to be how to manage your diet when you come off of the weight loss cycle. Will it land you extra pounds? And will you'll be caught in a cycle?
I've found, that I just can't out want/out wit that metabolism/hunger/snacky/bad choices. If this is you, I recommend just finding that something that you can indulge in. Mines soup, and Halo top. The high protein kills my appetite. As does skipping breakfast and early snacks. More often I eat, the harder it is to control the cravings. Open a "eat window". Mines 8 hours from first bite of the day (coffee doesn't count).
Examine stress and sleep. Is this an area that needs improvement (we all need improvement, just is it feasible without moving to a tropical island...deep pockets, a personal chef and a trainer).
Start small. Identify one thing you can control and change. Then "Make that Change" (sorry for the Micheal Jackson reference- too catchy to resist.). One thing.
No motivation? Find it. Make it up. I use doctor appointment dates. Lie to myself (which is fine as long as I know the difference) that I'll be showing off my progress. I'm sure no one cares or notices, but it does offer some motivation because I can pretend it's important, not arbitrary. Make the date mean more than it just being a mark on your calendar. That day, your gonna walk past or interact with someone that is inspired by you. That day is the day to lead, to help, to love another human being desperate for your direction. IDK man. Something like that. Just know your progress matters. So make it matter. Reward? Cool sculpting? Botox?
This is all just food for thought. I'm brainstorming here.
Best of luck/insight/progress/island/trainer... don't forget me when...
@elise4270 I've been back on a zero carb plan for a couple of months now and haven't been losing (though I know I'm eating too much). I know the only macro I really need is protein (and certain essential fats, fish oil), so the plan for weight lifting days now is to just eat nothing but zero carb protein powder. I'm hoping that helps. I tend to do a lot better if I just eliminate something. Allowing a little bit of a problem food is like giving an alcoholic "just 1 drink." It will not stop there.
That's me too. It's not one cookie or one scoop of ice cream, it's one container. Easier to just skip it.1 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »@midwesterner85 Good luck on your weight loss. I too found that fat loss and running is an impossible balance. I hope you find what works. I look at some of these marathoners and wonder how they have such low BF. You know that are eating and fueled. Maybe I need a personal chef/trainer and deeper pockets.
How's your luck with a high protein diet?
The trick here, is going to be how to manage your diet when you come off of the weight loss cycle. Will it land you extra pounds? And will you'll be caught in a cycle?
I've found, that I just can't out want/out wit that metabolism/hunger/snacky/bad choices. If this is you, I recommend just finding that something that you can indulge in. Mines soup, and Halo top. The high protein kills my appetite. As does skipping breakfast and early snacks. More often I eat, the harder it is to control the cravings. Open a "eat window". Mines 8 hours from first bite of the day (coffee doesn't count).
Examine stress and sleep. Is this an area that needs improvement (we all need improvement, just is it feasible without moving to a tropical island...deep pockets, a personal chef and a trainer).
Start small. Identify one thing you can control and change. Then "Make that Change" (sorry for the Micheal Jackson reference- too catchy to resist.). One thing.
No motivation? Find it. Make it up. I use doctor appointment dates. Lie to myself (which is fine as long as I know the difference) that I'll be showing off my progress. I'm sure no one cares or notices, but it does offer some motivation because I can pretend it's important, not arbitrary. Make the date mean more than it just being a mark on your calendar. That day, your gonna walk past or interact with someone that is inspired by you. That day is the day to lead, to help, to love another human being desperate for your direction. IDK man. Something like that. Just know your progress matters. So make it matter. Reward? Cool sculpting? Botox?
This is all just food for thought. I'm brainstorming here.
Best of luck/insight/progress/island/trainer... don't forget me when...
@elise4270 I've been back on a zero carb plan for a couple of months now and haven't been losing (though I know I'm eating too much). I know the only macro I really need is protein (and certain essential fats, fish oil), so the plan for weight lifting days now is to just eat nothing but zero carb protein powder. I'm hoping that helps. I tend to do a lot better if I just eliminate something. Allowing a little bit of a problem food is like giving an alcoholic "just 1 drink." It will not stop there.
That's me too. It's not one cookie or one scoop of ice cream, it's one container. Easier to just skip it.
Same here. Whole package.2 -
I think I am the sole 'moderator' in the group... I can eat 1 cookie or a spoonful of ice cream. It satisfies me and then I am good. It is when I start eliminating things that it gets crazy...
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I'll still come in under calories today, but super stressful day and I decided on having my yogurt/cereal with my breakfast and got jalapeno popcorn and oreo thins for my snack. Oddly, way more satisfying than I thought it would be and even though I could have eaten more, being able to eat a package of cookies and a bag of popcorn is just what my psyche needed today.0
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I think I am the sole 'moderator' in the group... I can eat 1 cookie or a spoonful of ice cream. It satisfies me and then I am good. It is when I start eliminating things that it gets crazy...
For many things I'm a moderate. Ice cream for instance. I'm content to take one spoonful, put the container back, and slowly enjoy that spoonful. Same with peanut butter, beer, and bourbon. I generally will have just one beer and that it, or just a small shot of bourbon, and that's it. The key for me is to learn to savor.
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I did okay yesterday. Close enough on my macros, not over on carbs. I am seeing the scale move ever so slightly up, half a pound. That's within normal fluctuation for me.
I'm up 0.6 pounds this month vs last month I was up 2.8 (22 days in). So that's improvement. But I'm gradually adding more exercise. So to discern diet vs exercise at this point is impossible.
I noticed some improved muscle definition on my right thigh, left is still pudding with zero definition- but I think that's from the surgery when nerves were cut. I'll ask the doc about it. So hooray! For muscle growth.
I'm not unhappy with my physique at this weight. It's definitely leaner than a year ago at the same weight. It's just gonna get better from here. If I don't f it up0 -
I think I am the sole 'moderator' in the group... I can eat 1 cookie or a spoonful of ice cream. It satisfies me and then I am good. It is when I start eliminating things that it gets crazy...
For many things I'm a moderate. Ice cream for instance. I'm content to take one spoonful, put the container back, and slowly enjoy that spoonful. Same with peanut butter, beer, and bourbon. I generally will have just one beer and that it, or just a small shot of bourbon, and that's it. The key for me is to learn to savor.
Similar. I moderate most things, but there's certain things where I must eat all of the thing. Cereal and pizza are in that category. I'd say things like cookies and candy are also in that category, but I tend to not have the calories for them anyway and I have to go out of my way to buy them, so they tend not to be problematic.
Ice cream I can eat a portion and be fine, with no desire to eat a whole pint. I even eat Halo Top in 4 individual servings over the course of a week.1 -
Ugh, there were layoffs at work today and I'm really glad it's running day because I can run off my emotions instead of eating them. Only 2 people gone, but both senior and both people I worked with a fair bit. Sigh.2
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Ugh, there were layoffs at work today and I'm really glad it's running day because I can run off my emotions instead of eating them. Only 2 people gone, but both senior and both people I worked with a fair bit. Sigh.
That's never an easy situation to navigate. Least it's over. We had a spell for a year where we we're in limbo.
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I think I am the sole 'moderator' in the group... I can eat 1 cookie or a spoonful of ice cream. It satisfies me and then I am good. It is when I start eliminating things that it gets crazy...
I'm getting better at it. I used to be able to do that but after my celiac diagnosis I kind of went off the rails. I've been eating just what fits in my calories lately.0 -
Ugh, there were layoffs at work today and I'm really glad it's running day because I can run off my emotions instead of eating them. Only 2 people gone, but both senior and both people I worked with a fair bit. Sigh.
That's never an easy situation to navigate. Least it's over. We had a spell for a year where we we're in limbo.
Enjoy that run.
I basically ran flat out (dropping to a walk when I needed) for 8 km today after work. But I feel some better now.2 -
Morning all! Hope your week/weekend went/is going well.
I have completed my first week towards sloppy recomp (I don't want to claim recommend when I am not doing the gym sessions), thus a sloppy step towards recomp. ...hmm I may email my PT about that.
Anyway, I have week one data and would like some feed back.
Options:
1) keep calories where they are and continue to add exercise/weights as possible. Maybe give it another week?
2) lower calories (-100/day) and add exercise- I've had low energy so I doubt this is feasible.
3) other suggestions?
The data:
Net Calories and weight trend. The blue dot marks last Sunday when I began. Although I did readjust my macros mid week once I found some additional info on recomp. I have since hit my macros or close, never over. 35%p, 45f, 25c.
I'm looking for a plateau. You can see how much varriation there can be in my weight. I have no idea why the weight variation has tighten up, other than the addition of PT strength exercises.
TIA.
ETA... Well I may now see something I missed. I typically don't look at gross calories, but wanted to show that I am eating in my maintenance range, 1253-1628. My aim is over by *86-123 calories a day.
*(??? 1526-1440=86 but 863/7=123 ... That doesn't jive. *Sigh* thanks for making this SO easy mfp. )
I still need advice. But may now consider tightening up the calories.0 -
Dh has upped the temptation. He had been getting cookies, cookie, and more cookies. Now he frequently buys ice cream. Ben and Jerry's no less. I got him the slices since he isn't like me and doesn't need to sit down and eat the whole pint. He just had one for breakfast.
I thought about having one last night. I'm not sure what kept me from getting into them. I looked at my macros and despite it being potentially an off day, I was still doing good, so I went to bed.
I think I'm okay with ice cream in the house. Fingers crossed he doesn't start buying tater chips. I love a crunch.
Yesterday we were deciding how to fix the hamburger meat, and he said hamburger helper. I thought he was joking. I've never bought the stuff. Then we found ourselves in the hamburger helper isle and I balked. Compromise was to make beef stroganoff from scratch.
He's gone into bachelor mode.0 -
I've been eating a LOT of calories on my non-running days but my weight seems to be trending very slowly down, probably because I don't come close to hitting goal (once exercise is factored in) on running days (because I normally run in the evening). We are talking 0.25-0.5 lbs/week. I am okay with this. Once my half is done I will have to figure out a new strategy though.2
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@Elise4270 I would say don't change anything after a week. Changes can cause weight fluctuations. Most changes need at least 3-4 weeks to work themselves out. If after a few weeks it's trending upwards look to adjust intake or exercise.1
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I'm wondering if my insane carb cravings that I ultimately give in to are dehydration related. I really only want to eat carbs when I get the urge--usually things like breads and cereals and crackers--not so much sweets like candy.0
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fitoverfortymom wrote: »I'm wondering if my insane carb cravings that I ultimately give in to are dehydration related. I really only want to eat carbs when I get the urge--usually things like breads and cereals and crackers--not so much sweets like candy.
It can be for me. Usually in the evenings I think I want sugar. Cold water does the trick.0
