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dubist
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What do you think of the police treatment of the protestors of the occupy movement?
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Vile and criminal. I'd expect those things in a 3rd world country. Not one where freedom of speech and the right to assembly are some of the basic foundations of our country.0
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I've seen several images like this one in the past few days and it really makes me think that the treatment towards the protesters has been quite vile and horrid. What ever happen to the right to assembly? If they are going to treat occupy protesters that way, then maybe they should do the same with Westboro and Tea Party no?
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I'm sick and tired of the occupy movement. While the original meaning may have been pure, the whole thing has degraded to a meaningless, disruptive occupation supported by anarchists, vandals and the homeless.
When this movement has eroded and dissipated, the "so-called" 99% will be left with Billions of dollars in debt to pay for Police OT and Property Damage and Restoration.0 -
Everyone should be treated fairly and with compassion. With that said, though, some of these people need to go get a job.0
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1 in 10 people who want a job are unemployed. That doesn't include those who gave up looking, decided to retire early, go back to school, or become a stay at home parent. So where do you suggest they go to get jobs? I saw a sign that said "Anyone who says "Get a job" is really saying "I have no idea what America is like right now." That sort of says it all.
Also, there are a lot of people there who do have jobs. There are teachers, pilots, accountants, retirees, veterans, engineers, and pizza delivery guys. Some of them show up when they are off work. Others have been laid off or just returned from a deployment.
I don't see this movement ending anytime soon. The entire world is pissed off. When the police treat them in ways that are illegal to treat combatants in a war zone it's only going to increase the outrage.0 -
My suggestion is, they quit "occupying" all day and go look for something. They definitely won't find a job sitting out there.1 in 10 people who want a job are unemployed. That doesn't include those who gave up looking, decided to retire early, go back to school, or become a stay at home parent. So where do you suggest they go to get jobs?
That's why I said, "some" of those people.Also, there are a lot of people there who do have jobs. There are teachers, pilots, accountants, retirees, veterans, engineers, and pizza delivery guys. Some of them show up when they are off work. Others have been laid off or just returned from a deployment.
I agree that the way some of them are being treated is horrible.I don't see this movement ending anytime soon. The entire world is pissed off. When the police treat them in ways that are illegal to treat combatants in a war zone it's only going to increase the outrage.0 -
What can't they do out there with a laptop/iPhone that they can do at home to find a job? Do people really go door to door to businesses looking for work anymore? I suppose for retail type jobs they might. There's still a pretty small area of reasonable distance that someone can travel. I'd imagine the majority of them have already checked.
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Would it really be better if they were sitting on their couch watching soaps? Those are the people who should be told to get off their behinds and get a job if anyone is going to be told that.0 -
What can't they do out there with a laptop/iPhone that they can do at home to find a job? Do people really go door to door to businesses looking for work anymore?
Maybe I have missed that. I'll have to pay more attention to the news to see if I see anyone out there on a laptop. :noway: The small group "occupying Houston" that I've seen doesn't. To be fair, I'm not there 24/7, so I suppose they could be applying for jobs online when I'm not there. The group you're describing doesn't fit the ones I've seen.0 -
Even if they aren't looking for jobs while at the rally -- so what? No one has seen me use a toilet since my 11yo was a baby. That doesn't mean I haven't peed in a decade. Maybe they are laid off professionals/union workers. Maybe they are at home parents. Maybe they are retired. Maybe they spent 3 hours on Monster.com every day for the past 6 months and there isn't anything at all more to do.0
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What can't they do out there with a laptop/iPhone that they can do at home to find a job? Do people really go door to door to businesses looking for work anymore? I suppose for retail type jobs they might. There's still a pretty small area of reasonable distance that someone can travel. I'd imagine the majority of them have already checked.
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Would it really be better if they were sitting on their couch watching soaps? Those are the people who should be told to get off their behinds and get a job if anyone is going to be told that.
Go to a Temp Service. There are jobs out there. They may not have the prestige or earn the same money as the last job, but get out there and work. Some of those Temp Jobs turn into a permanent job. That's how I found work, when I lost my job. That temp job ended up being 20 years and led to the job I have now.
Quit sticking you hand out every time you find yourself in a bad situation. Quit blaming the government and banking institutions , because you got overextended on your credit or upside down on your mortgage and then lost your job. A lot of people have found themselves in a bad position due to circumstances they can't control, but the majority has made bad decisions and now it is convenient to point the finger outwards.
I don't like the way things are going either, but I'm not out blocking people from shopping for Xmas. I'm not vandalizing personal property. I'm doing what I can for my community and my family, rather than singing sad songs to the media. Lot's of vintage hippie rhetoric to the media, while they hold a brick in one hand behind their back and a molotov cocktail in the other.0 -
RoadDog, you sound like you watch too much Fox "news". The police are far more violent toward the protesters than they are in return. Yes, there are some bad people out there. Yes, there are some doing disgusting things. I have a neighbor who doesn't clean up after his dog. Does that make my entire neighborhood full of disgusting people? Of course not! But portraying a worldwide movement of millions as molotov cocktail throwing degenerates because of the actions of a few (who were condemned by OWS) is just as ridiculous. Incidentally, did you feel the same way about the Teapartiers who brought guns to rallies and spit on Congress people?
I'm sure a few are looking for a handout. Most just want the same sort of representation from our elected officials as they give to the people/corporations who can buy votes. They want to know that if they have to share in bad economic times then they should share in good ones too. They are worried that if the middle class disappears that they will go down with it. They are sick of being the best government money can buy. They want the businesses who took down the government to pay for it instead of being given their tax money then turning around and giving a $15million bonus to a CEO who lost millions more for the company. Really, if you are sick of those who want a handout then you should be supporting OWS. They are sick of the government gving handouts to corporations that are paid for by you and me.
If there were jobs out there 1 in 10 people who aren't retired/students/at home parents wouldn't be out of work right now. There are a few jobs. There will always be turnovers and such that will open up a job. But when a job for a pizza delivery guy is getting 350 applications from everyone from high school students to engineers it makes it a bit difficult.0 -
The news sensationalizes everything. Most people don't hear of the retired cop who is part of the OWS movement, or the old lady who was doused in pepper spray. They just hear of the homeless hippies that the media swarms to.0
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Pretty sure people SITTING ON THE GROUND didn't deserve to be effing pepper sprayed.
http://youtu.be/WmJmmnMkuEM 0 -
Pretty sure people SITTING ON THE GROUND didn't deserve to be effing pepper sprayed.http://youtu.be/WmJmmnMkuEM
Can't this be sensatinalizing, also?0 -
How do you sensationalize a video showing what happened?Pretty sure people SITTING ON THE GROUND didn't deserve to be effing pepper sprayed.http://youtu.be/WmJmmnMkuEM
Can't this be sensatinalizing, also?
Incidentally, if a soldier in Afghanistan did that to a captured insurgent they'd be court martialed. It's against the Geneva code. If anything, the video under stated the actions of the police.0 -
How do you sensationalize a video showing what happened?
Incidentally, if a soldier in Afghanistan did that to a captured insurgent they'd be court martialed. It's against the Geneva code. If anything, the video under stated the actions of the police.
I was being a bit sarcastic. The news sensationalizes all the time with actual footage. I'm not defending this horrible mistreatment of human beings.0 -
How do you sensationalize a video showing what happened?
Incidentally, if a soldier in Afghanistan did that to a captured insurgent they'd be court martialed. It's against the Geneva code. If anything, the video under stated the actions of the police.
I was being a bit sarcastic. The news sensationalizes all the time with actual footage. I'm not defending this horrible mistreatment of human beings.
Also, this wasn't posted by the media, but by someone who was there. The media tends to pick and choose what footage to show of events so things swing their way. That's not quite the same.0 -
Since the pic was cut off, here is the full quote:
“I want to be very clear in calling upon the Egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protestors. The people of Egypt have rights that are universal. That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech, and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights. And the United States will stand up for them everywhere.” ---Barack Obama0 -
Also, this wasn't posted by the media, but by someone who was there. The media tends to pick and choose what footage to show of events so things swing their way. That's not quite the same.
Anyone can pick and choose what footage to show of events to swing things their way. I'm sure the person who posted this footage on youtube had an agenda as well.
Again....making sure no one here thinks I'm defending the behavior of a few police officers. I find it deplorable.0 -
“I want to be very clear in calling upon the Egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protestors. The people of Egypt have rights that are universal. That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech, and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights. And the United States will stand up for them everywhere.” ---Barack Obama
Agreed. "Peaceful" protesting should not require brute force.0 -
Also, this wasn't posted by the media, but by someone who was there. The media tends to pick and choose what footage to show of events so things swing their way. That's not quite the same.
Anyone can pick and choose what footage to show of events to swing things their way. I'm sure the person who posted this footage on youtube had an agenda as well.
Again....making sure no one here thinks I'm defending the behavior of a few police officers. I find it deplorable.
Pretty sure the agenda was to show that the police were using pepper spray on non-violent protestors. It's not like it's a 2 minute clip, it's almost 10 minutes long.0 -
Pretty sure the agenda was to show that the police were using pepper spray on non-violent protestors. It's not like it's a 2 minute clip, it's almost 10 minutes long.
Oh, I get that was the agenda, and the footage is important for people to see. So is the footage (which could also be 10 minutes in length) of the deporable actions of some of the occupiers. That's all I'm saying.0 -
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Pretty sure the agenda was to show that the police were using pepper spray on non-violent protestors. It's not like it's a 2 minute clip, it's almost 10 minutes long.
Oh, I get that was the agenda, and the footage is important for people to see. So is the footage (which could also be 10 minutes in length) of the deporable actions of some of the occupiers. That's all I'm saying.
I will agree with that.
But my other thing is that police are supposed to be held to a higher standard than that. I could understand doing that if the protestors were being violent, but they were just sitting there. "Casually pepper spray cop" needs to be punished for that.0 -
But my other thing is that police are supposed to be held to a higher standard than that. I could understand doing that if the protestors were being violent, but they were just sitting there. "Casually pepper spray cop" needs to be punished for that.
Yes, police officers should be held to a higher standard. I hope they are disciplined appropriately for their actions.0 -
The officer in this instance was wrong. no doubt. But...in some instances pepper spray IS the non-violent alternative.0
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i absolutely agree! When used properly (not point blank range when the min distance is 15 feet) and when used to prevent a situation from escallating (not against people who are sitting on the ground) it is an appropriate tool. The way that tool of a cop used it though is dangerous and wrong.The officer in this instance was wrong. no doubt. But...in some instances pepper spray IS the non-violent alternative.0 -
OWS is the same as the Tea Party, it originally had good intentions but was derailed by a bunch of tools.
As far as the jobs go, they ARE out there. If you are ACTIVELY looking for work, you should be able to get a job fairly easily, couple of months max. Most people I see complaining about not having jobs are on facebook with inappropriate remarks and pics, bad resumes, show up late to interviews or just act unprofessional or have terrible work history or interview skills. I've had people come into my office in sweatpants/slippers asking for an application. I have not known an unemployed person in the past 3 years that wasn't able to find a job in a decent amount of time.0 -
I have. I know a former engineer who was laid off 3 years ago. He's working at a grocery store now. It took him 500+ resumes and 9 months to find that job. I know several Iraq vets who can't find work at all. One was a Colonel in the reserves and fianlly went active duty because he couldn't find anything at all. He was only able to go AD because of his rank - he could get the right strings pulled.
Do you really think all those people who had their homes foreclosed just didn't care? Do you really think 10%+ of the population is just too lazy or sloppy to get a job? Do you really think people would rather be destitute and have their kids living in their car than work?
Last winter I was looking for an assistant to help with some of my tax stuff. I was offering 10 hours a week to basically file for min wage. I received 1250 resumes within a week. Of those 2 had doctorates. Most were college graduates. I guess those sloppy, lazy doctors just need to go get jobs huh?
I'm not sure what you call "a decent amount of time" but the average person is unemployed for over 6 months and of those who do find a job 51% do so in a different career field. Also, that doesn't account for people who are underemployed such as the physicist who wanted to be my very part time file clerk. Other things all affect how long it takes to find a job such as age, weight, looks, sex, race, etc. Yes, a lot for that is illegal. It doesn't stop employers from basing their hiring choices on those things though. My husband actually lost a job because he was in the military reserves. They even told him they liked him and to come back after he retired but they were just worried that he'd be called up again.0 -
OWS is the same as the Tea Party, it originally had good intentions but was derailed by a bunch of tools.
As far as the jobs go, they ARE out there. If you are ACTIVELY looking for work, you should be able to get a job fairly easily, couple of months max. Most people I see complaining about not having jobs are on facebook with inappropriate remarks and pics, bad resumes, show up late to interviews or just act unprofessional or have terrible work history or interview skills. I've had people come into my office in sweatpants/slippers asking for an application. I have not known an unemployed person in the past 3 years that wasn't able to find a job in a decent amount of time.
Depends on where you live. Here, the economy never really got hit hard at all and jobs are relatively easy to come by. In other places, hundreds of people scramble to get 10 open positions doing ****ty warehouse manual labor work.0
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