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It took you a YEAR to find a job that enabled you to be underemployed and you think things are somehow magically different now?
Shutting down Wall Street Will NOT create jobs.
It IS magically different, because the job I now have allows Me to provide for my family, without government aide. I am in a position to work my may up the ladder. I am grateful for my position. It allows me to have stability in my life.
I see Help wanted signs out there every day, and people are getting those jobs.0 -
Regardless of what I think of the Occupy movement, I do feel sorry for the youngest generation. We can shake are fingers at them and say they've got the wrong degrees, their not changing anything, ect. But the fact is this country lived high on the hog for decades and now the youngest have inherited a bankrupt nation teetering on depression. If I were young, I'd be pissed too.0
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Also, "Grassroots" doesn't mean "without funding". Hell, the TEA partiers are funded by the Koch brothers claimed to be grass roots. Grassroots simply means it's by ordinary people not corporate interests, lobbyists, politicians, etc. I find it amusing that you call them jobless citizens in one breath and then insinuate that they aren't grassroots in another.
I was quoting the previous pooster calling them jobless citizens. I forgot my sarcasm font.Your list of supporters is not only just silly but blatantly false in many instances as well. Really, if you have t go to an extremely biased site for "facts" you're not really getting facts. The Ayatollah??? Seriously??? So some guy says he hates America and is glad the people are finally trying to change things means they support OWS? You do understand that he hates OWS too right? He hates anything and everything that has anything to do with America. He'd be in favor of any social or political unrest whether it was OWS or locusts that were causing us problems As for the Nazi party, et al, I guess the TEA party really does have a lot in common with OWS because they, and most of the hate groups on that list, supported them too.
I would love to see these accusations sourced.( Re: Koch brothers funding and Nazi party support of Tea Party)
Of course the Ayatollah supports ANYthing that can mean the end of the "Great Devil" America. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" springs to mind.
I find it amusing that he can see the threat that OWS poses to our economic system and you cannot.0 -
Regardless of what I think of the Occupy movement, I do feel sorry for the youngest generation. We can shake are fingers at them and say they've got the wrong degrees, their not changing anything, ect. But the fact is this country lived high on the hog for decades and now the youngest have inherited a bankrupt nation teetering on depression. If I were young, I'd be pissed too.
Come on, it is Math 101. If it cost $250,000 to get a degree that pays $20,000 a year, you obviously Know that you will be making student loan payments for a Long time. Many of which are forgiven after 25 years of payment.
They had other options: Community Colleges, less expensive 4 year schools or pay as you go. No one forced them to take out these loans.
I am not that young, but I am still pissed.
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Regardless of what I think of the Occupy movement, I do feel sorry for the youngest generation. We can shake are fingers at them and say they've got the wrong degrees, their not changing anything, ect. But the fact is this country lived high on the hog for decades and now the youngest have inherited a bankrupt nation teetering on depression. If I were young, I'd be pissed too.
Come on, it is Math 101. If it cost $250,000 to get a degree that pays $20,000 a year, you obviously Know that you will be making student loan payments for a Long time. Many of which are forgiven after 25 years of payment.
They had other options: Community Colleges, less expensive 4 year schools or pay as you go. No one forced them to take out these loans.
I am not that young, but I am still pissed.
Yes, it's Math 101. But I wasn't speaking to the college loans, I was speaking to the overall state of the economy. So if math is so easy, then why are we trillions in debt?
I won't defend all college students in debt, because like any group, there are a lot of idiots in that group. But not very long ago, all that was needed to get a good job was a 4 year degree. It didn't matter in what. I know a lot of people that graduated with some roodie poo degree and has a great job because all the employer really wanted is some one capable of finishing college.
Yes, you could go to communtiy college, if they have your degree and there is room. And even their costs have sky rocketed in the last couple of decades to unreasonable levels. But it's just not liberal arts degrees that are hurting. I happen to know a lot of good students who became engineers who had a lot of difficulty finding jobs, so it's a false pretense that millions of americans spent 250,000 dollars on a basket weaving degree and now can't find a job.0 -
I was unemployed for over a year.
I took a job below my station, making less than I had at my previous job, with no benefits. Just so I could work and earn income.
No one Forced these students to go into debt, taking out loans from evil banks to finance their "Sociology" or "Liberal Arts" degree.
There are jobs out there for people to get. You may not get the job you wanted, but you can't give up.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I'd like to add that I appreciate that people in this country, and abroad, are starting to stand up for themelves and question the government. However, it takes a well organized and respectful gathering to make a point.0 -
Heres an idea for those that occupy various places around the country,how about you put down your signs,take a shower and do something to really change the world.Because this is doing NOTHING
Did you hear about the man shooting at the Occupy Houston squat festival?
Yeah I heard about it. I saw on the news this morning that the police evicted the occupy los angeles protesters also....I applauded0 -
Not changing anything and keeping with the status quo won't create jobs either. The mark of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and thinking it will give a different result. We've been doing the same thing in this country for decades now. The result won't change.
It took you a YEAR to find a job that enabled you to be underemployed and you think things are somehow magically different now?
Shutting down Wall Street Will NOT create jobs.
It IS magically different, because the job I now have allows Me to provide for my family, without government aide. I am in a position to work my may up the ladder. I am grateful for my position. It allows me to have stability in my life.
I see Help wanted signs out there every day, and people are getting those jobs.
I think you might have misunderstood me. I asked if things were magically different now that it would take someone LESS time to get a jbo than it took you. You seem to be telling people to go out and get a job (and completely ignoring the fact that many OWS people HAVE jobs) as if it should only be a matter of walking into the nearest business and filling out a single application. It took you a year to find a job. Why do you think it would be any easier now?
I'm not sure where you are seeing those "Help Wanted" signs but I can tell you first hand that there are hundreds, if not more, applications and resumes sent for every job out there.0 -
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Not changing anything and keeping with the status quo won't create jobs either. The mark of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and thinking it will give a different result. We've been doing the same thing in this country for decades now. The result won't change.
It took you a YEAR to find a job that enabled you to be underemployed and you think things are somehow magically different now?
Shutting down Wall Street Will NOT create jobs.
It IS magically different, because the job I now have allows Me to provide for my family, without government aide. I am in a position to work my may up the ladder. I am grateful for my position. It allows me to have stability in my life.
I see Help wanted signs out there every day, and people are getting those jobs.
I think you might have misunderstood me. I asked if things were magically different now that it would take someone LESS time to get a jbo than it took you. You seem to be telling people to go out and get a job (and completely ignoring the fact that many OWS people HAVE jobs) as if it should only be a matter of walking into the nearest business and filling out a single application. It took you a year to find a job. Why do you think it would be any easier now?
I'm not sure where you are seeing those "Help Wanted" signs but I can tell you first hand that there are hundreds, if not more, applications and resumes sent for every job out there.
I spent a week looking for a job, almost every place I applied called me. I am a highschool drop out,with a criminal record and have yet to have a hard time finding a job.0 -
America is supposed to be a democracy, not a capitalist state dictated but the most wealthy.
Democracy is generally defined as a form of government in which all adult citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, creation of goods or services for profit or income, competitive markets, self-ownership, and wage labor.
What we are living in is a broken form of democratic capitalism that is not represented of the majority of people.
Democratic capitalism is a capitalist free market economy subject to control by a democratic political system that is supported by the majority. It stands in contrast to authoritarian capitalism by limiting the influence of special interest groups, including corporate lobbyists, on politics.
For example:
Big banks gets a check and the common american loses their house.
Big news cover stories that fit their agenda. And on top of that fill the airways with opinion not facts.
Big farms get subsides while small mom and pop farms close.
Big oil makes millions and we pay their taxes. (exxon paid no taxes last year)0 -
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Strip clubs? Maybe. Something respectable? No way.
Not changing anything and keeping with the status quo won't create jobs either. The mark of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and thinking it will give a different result. We've been doing the same thing in this country for decades now. The result won't change.
It took you a YEAR to find a job that enabled you to be underemployed and you think things are somehow magically different now?
Shutting down Wall Street Will NOT create jobs.
It IS magically different, because the job I now have allows Me to provide for my family, without government aide. I am in a position to work my may up the ladder. I am grateful for my position. It allows me to have stability in my life.
I see Help wanted signs out there every day, and people are getting those jobs.
I think you might have misunderstood me. I asked if things were magically different now that it would take someone LESS time to get a jbo than it took you. You seem to be telling people to go out and get a job (and completely ignoring the fact that many OWS people HAVE jobs) as if it should only be a matter of walking into the nearest business and filling out a single application. It took you a year to find a job. Why do you think it would be any easier now?
I'm not sure where you are seeing those "Help Wanted" signs but I can tell you first hand that there are hundreds, if not more, applications and resumes sent for every job out there.
I spent a week looking for a job, almost every place I applied called me. I am a highschool drop out,with a criminal record and have yet to have a hard time finding a job.0 -
agree. is there a middle ground?I really have a lot more to say, but it's wasted here. Everyone is pro or con.0 -
America is supposed to be a democracy, not a capitalist state dictated but the most wealthy.
You are mistaken. America is NOT a democracy.
America is a Republic.0 -
So why aren't the Occupiers camped out in front of the gov't, protesting that they are in bed with business? Is it because a Democrat is in the White House?Big banks gets a check and the common american loses their house.
Big news cover stories that fit their agenda. And on top of that fill the airways with opinion not facts.
Big farms get subsides while small mom and pop farms close.
Big oil makes millions and we pay their taxes. (exxon paid no taxes last year)0 -
Exactly.America is supposed to be a democracy, not a capitalist state dictated but the most wealthy.
You are mistaken. America is NOT a democracy.
America is a Republic.0 -
Yup, we are supposed to be a constitutional republic with democratically elected officials. Supposed to be.0
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We are. The problem is the quality of people we elect.Yup, we are supposed to be a constitutional republic with democratically elected officials. Supposed to be.0 -
i stand corrected. i ment republic.
this does not negate my point0 -
We are. The problem is the quality of people we elect.Yup, we are supposed to be a constitutional republic with democratically elected officials. Supposed to be.
I don't find the electoral college 'democratic' when the popular vote can 'vote' for one candidate, but the electoral college gets the final say.
The thing about that system that pisses me off is this. Yes, the people in the electoral college are voted in by the people and are ideally supposed to vote the way the popular vote goes. But they are not legally obligated to do so. If the popular votes are in favor of Candidate #1, the people in the electoral college don't have to vote that way. They can vote however the hell they want in whatever their interests are. How the hell is that fair or democratic?0 -
Strip clubs? Maybe. Something respectable? No way.
Not changing anything and keeping with the status quo won't create jobs either. The mark of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and thinking it will give a different result. We've been doing the same thing in this country for decades now. The result won't change.
It took you a YEAR to find a job that enabled you to be underemployed and you think things are somehow magically different now?
Shutting down Wall Street Will NOT create jobs.
It IS magically different, because the job I now have allows Me to provide for my family, without government aide. I am in a position to work my may up the ladder. I am grateful for my position. It allows me to have stability in my life.
I see Help wanted signs out there every day, and people are getting those jobs.
I think you might have misunderstood me. I asked if things were magically different now that it would take someone LESS time to get a jbo than it took you. You seem to be telling people to go out and get a job (and completely ignoring the fact that many OWS people HAVE jobs) as if it should only be a matter of walking into the nearest business and filling out a single application. It took you a year to find a job. Why do you think it would be any easier now?
I'm not sure where you are seeing those "Help Wanted" signs but I can tell you first hand that there are hundreds, if not more, applications and resumes sent for every job out there.
I spent a week looking for a job, almost every place I applied called me. I am a highschool drop out,with a criminal record and have yet to have a hard time finding a job.
Nope not strip clubs, lets see Family Dollar Store manager,Dollar General assistant store manager, Wal Mart & Target both for supervising postions Ross,Dillards, the list goes on
And what is not respectable about striping? I would do it if I didnt have to left feet. So sitt5ing in a park doing nothing but being a lazy *kitten* loser is respectable? Atleast the strippers are doing something and bathing0 -
I think we can all agree that gov't has spent us into a mess -- can't we?
agree. is there a middle ground?I really have a lot more to say, but it's wasted here. Everyone is pro or con.
One ideological chasm, though, between the Occupy crowd and Constitutionalists/Libertarians/Conservatives is what the scope of gov't should be, and the role of entitlements.
Any time that a gov't has tried to redistribute wealth, it has lead to tyranny and genocide. The answer is less gov't, and more individual liberties. It's what made America what is is -- the wealthiest, most powerful, most prosperous and most charitable nation on the Earth.0 -
**** like that makes those people look like a bunch of whiney hippies.0 -
arn't you mad about these issues?
So why aren't the Occupiers camped out in front of the gov't, protesting that they are in bed with business? Is it because a Democrat is in the White House?Big banks gets a check and the common american loses their house.
Big news cover stories that fit their agenda. And on top of that fill the airways with opinion not facts.
Big farms get subsides while small mom and pop farms close.
Big oil makes millions and we pay their taxes. (exxon paid no taxes last year)
I think they see the banks as major controllers of the white house with either party in power.
obama has taken more wall street money then any other president in history.0 -
I liked this write-up on the Electoral College: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/11/the-electoral-college-enlightened-democracy
I don't find the electoral college 'democratic' when the popular vote can 'vote' for one candidate, but the electoral college gets the final say.
We are. The problem is the quality of people we elect.Yup, we are supposed to be a constitutional republic with democratically elected officials. Supposed to be.
The thing about that system that pisses me off is this. Yes, the people in the electoral college are voted in by the people and are ideally supposed to vote the way the popular vote goes. But they are not legally obligated to do so. If the popular votes are in favor of Candidate #1, the people in the electoral college don't have to vote that way. They can vote however the hell they want in whatever their interests are. How the hell is that fair or democratic?0 -
I am upset about it -- absolutely. I'm not going to accomplish anything by squatting in a park and chanting though. I read up on what my rights are, what powers the gov't is granted in the Constitution, and I vote accordingly. I write my elected officials. I share information with friends, in the hope of helping them understand.
arn't you mad about these issues?
So why aren't the Occupiers camped out in front of the gov't, protesting that they are in bed with business? Is it because a Democrat is in the White House?Big banks gets a check and the common american loses their house.
Big news cover stories that fit their agenda. And on top of that fill the airways with opinion not facts.
Big farms get subsides while small mom and pop farms close.
Big oil makes millions and we pay their taxes. (exxon paid no taxes last year)
I think they see the banks as major controllers of the white house with either party in power.
obama has taken more wall street money then any other president in history.
i just find it ironic that Occupiers aren't protesting the gov't. They're protesting the banks. it would be like condemning the recipient of a bribe, but not the person giving the bribe. I know why though... it's because a Dem is in the White House.0 -
I am upset about it -- absolutely. I'm not going to accomplish anything by squatting in a park and chanting though. I read up on what my rights are, what powers the gov't is granted in the Constitution, and I vote accordingly. I write my elected officials. I share information with friends, in the hope of helping them understand.
arn't you mad about these issues?
So why aren't the Occupiers camped out in front of the gov't, protesting that they are in bed with business? Is it because a Democrat is in the White House?Big banks gets a check and the common american loses their house.
Big news cover stories that fit their agenda. And on top of that fill the airways with opinion not facts.
Big farms get subsides while small mom and pop farms close.
Big oil makes millions and we pay their taxes. (exxon paid no taxes last year)
I think they see the banks as major controllers of the white house with either party in power.
obama has taken more wall street money then any other president in history.
i just find it ironic that Occupiers aren't protesting the gov't. They're protesting the banks. it would be like condemning the recipient of a bribe, but not the person giving the bribe. I know why though... it's because a Dem is in the White House.
you don't think that rich lobyist have more voting power with their spending cash then the power our vote should have?
http://rt.com/usa/news/lobbying-money-wall-street-987/0 -
Absolutely, but the rich will always exist, and try to influence gov't. The problem are our elected officials and bureaucrats, taking the money. Why aren't Occupiers upset with them? Like I said, it's like only being upset with one side of a bribe.
you don't think that rich lobyist have more voting power with their spending cash then the power our vote should have?
I am upset about it -- absolutely. I'm not going to accomplish anything by squatting in a park and chanting though. I read up on what my rights are, what powers the gov't is granted in the Constitution, and I vote accordingly. I write my elected officials. I share information with friends, in the hope of helping them understand.
arn't you mad about these issues?
So why aren't the Occupiers camped out in front of the gov't, protesting that they are in bed with business? Is it because a Democrat is in the White House?Big banks gets a check and the common american loses their house.
Big news cover stories that fit their agenda. And on top of that fill the airways with opinion not facts.
Big farms get subsides while small mom and pop farms close.
Big oil makes millions and we pay their taxes. (exxon paid no taxes last year)
I think they see the banks as major controllers of the white house with either party in power.
obama has taken more wall street money then any other president in history.
i just find it ironic that Occupiers aren't protesting the gov't. They're protesting the banks. it would be like condemning the recipient of a bribe, but not the person giving the bribe. I know why though... it's because a Dem is in the White House.
http://rt.com/usa/news/lobbying-money-wall-street-987/
Also, redistribution of wealth will not stop money from influencing politicians. Someone will have the dough one way or another. It's time to reform gov't.0 -
we agree on somethingIt's time to reform gov't.
but lobbying laws will
not distribution of wealth just a fair tax system.0
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