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http://studentactivism.net/2011/11/20/ten-things-you-should-know-about-fridays-uc-davis-police-violence/
But she was blocking people. That bus wasn't moving while she was sitting there. She made everyone on that bus and everyone waiting for that bus at any future stop late. She most definitely held them up. She caused a lot more inconvenience to a lot more people than a group of students sitting on the ground or standing in the grass like they did at UC Berkley (where they were blocking no one at all) The difference is you agree with her and don't like OWS.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
If you're asking me that question my response is protesters chosing to get pepper sprayed for refusing to make a path for the police to get by and leave is not even the same thing as Rosa Parks getting beaten for sitting on a bus seat and not blocking anyone from getting past. If that's what you're referring to then no, I don't think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. I think she had the right to sit in any seat on that bus she wanted to sit. Except for the driver's seat of course.
But she was not obstructing justice which is what the protesters were doing by blocking thge police from taking the people they arrested to jail,the police were not trying to break up the protest they were trying to leave which the protester would not let them do. totally diffrent than rosa parks
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http://studentactivism.net/2011/11/22/nonviolence-resisting-arrest-and-the-student-movements-of-the-sixties-and-today/
There are several videos of the incident. Please point out one scene in any of them where it shows the officers trying to get past with someone in handcuffs. (Hint - there aren't any because they weren't being blocked from taking the people they arrested to jail.) (You also need to learn what a straw-man argument is. Comparing a protester breaking the law for their cause to a protester breaking the law for a different cause isn't a straw-man. Saying, "if you are in favor of OWS you must be an unwashed, unemployed, hippie." is a straw-man argument. It's a substitute of an exaggerated or distorted argument. Not a comparison between similar situations.)
Also, while you might find it funny to think of the police stepping over someone sitting on the ground and think no one would let the police get past, Lt. John Pike (the pepper sprayer) was BEHIND the students when he was showing off his pepper spray. He sprayed them from the front though. So do you think they let him past, he stepped over them, they all turned around so he could better pepper spray them, or he teleported himeslf to he other side of their circle?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhPdH3wE0_Y
if you look closly you can see the people they have arrested,and then please explain to me why when the cops were trying to leave with the people they supposedly did not even arrest were the protesters shouting set them free as they surounded the police. and you have yet to answer the question of exactly what awareness does it bring to the cause for them not to let the police leave?0 -
http://studentactivism.net/2011/11/20/ten-things-you-should-know-about-fridays-uc-davis-police-violence/
But she was blocking people. That bus wasn't moving while she was sitting there. She made everyone on that bus and everyone waiting for that bus at any future stop late. She most definitely held them up. She caused a lot more inconvenience to a lot more people than a group of students sitting on the ground or standing in the grass like they did at UC Berkley (where they were blocking no one at all) The difference is you agree with her and don't like OWS.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
If you're asking me that question my response is protesters chosing to get pepper sprayed for refusing to make a path for the police to get by and leave is not even the same thing as Rosa Parks getting beaten for sitting on a bus seat and not blocking anyone from getting past. If that's what you're referring to then no, I don't think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. I think she had the right to sit in any seat on that bus she wanted to sit. Except for the driver's seat of course.
But she was not obstructing justice which is what the protesters were doing by blocking thge police from taking the people they arrested to jail,the police were not trying to break up the protest they were trying to leave which the protester would not let them do. totally diffrent than rosa parks
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There are several videos of the incident. Please point out one scene in any of them where it shows the officers trying to get past with someone in handcuffs. (Hint - there aren't any because they weren't being blocked from taking the people they arrested to jail.)
Do you even read the articles you post? you say no one was arrested but the very first link you posted says this
3. Students did not restrict the movement of police at any time during the demonstration.
After police made a handful of arrests in the course of taking down the students’ tents, some of the remaining demonstrators formed a wide seated circle around the officers and arrestees.
Oh I like how that link calls it a wide seated circle,those people were shoulder to shoulder,were the police supposed to drag the people they arrested over the protesters?0 -
You seem to have left some of that out.
"But multiple videos clearly show that the seated students made no effort to impede the officers’ movement. Indeed, Lt. Pike, who initiated the pepper spraying of the group, was inside the circle moments earlier. To position himself to spray, he simply stepped over the line."0 -
It brings no awareness to not let the police leave. That's not what they were doing. They were trying to get them to stop treating them like the enemy. The police could have left. Lt. Pike sure moved past them easily enough. You'd think if they were really trying to stop the police from moving past their circle the guy with the pepper spray would have been a priority. I know if someone had a can of pepper spray and was trying to get in front of me I'd be pretty eager to stop him. These students didn't do anything but sit there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhPdH3wE0_Y
if you look closly you can see the people they have arrested,and then please explain to me why when the cops were trying to leave with the people they supposedly did not even arrest were the protesters shouting set them free as they surounded the police. and you have yet to answer the question of exactly what awareness does it bring to the cause for them not to let the police leave?
I did look at the video. All 15 minutes of it. I don't see people in handcuffs inside the circle with the police. Please give me a time stamp where you see it.0 -
But she was blocking people. That bus wasn't moving while she was sitting there. She made everyone on that bus and everyone waiting for that bus at any future stop late. She most definitely held them up. She caused a lot more inconvenience to a lot more people than a group of students sitting on the ground or standing in the grass like they did at UC Berkley (where they were blocking no one at all) The difference is you agree with her and don't like OWS.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
If you're asking me that question my response is protesters chosing to get pepper sprayed for refusing to make a path for the police to get by and leave is not even the same thing as Rosa Parks getting beaten for sitting on a bus seat and not blocking anyone from getting past. If that's what you're referring to then no, I don't think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. I think she had the right to sit in any seat on that bus she wanted to sit. Except for the driver's seat of course.
Actually I never said I don't like OWS. As far as I'm concerned, those students could have sat in that park until Hell freezes over but not if they're going surround somebody and block their path. Rosa Parks was not blocking anyone, she was sitting in a seat. As far as I know, she wasn't blocking the aisle so nobody could get by and she wasn't blocking the bus. The bus driver may have made the choice not to drive the bus, but it's not because Rosa Parks was blocking the road so he couldn't drive without running over her.0 -
It brings no awareness to not let the police leave. That's not what they were doing. They were trying to get them to stop treating them like the enemy. The police could have left. Lt. Pike sure moved past them easily enough. You'd think if they were really trying to stop the police from moving past their circle the guy with the pepper spray would have been a priority. I know if someone had a can of pepper spray and was trying to get in front of me I'd be pretty eager to stop him. These students didn't do anything but sit there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhPdH3wE0_Y
if you look closly you can see the people they have arrested,and then please explain to me why when the cops were trying to leave with the people they supposedly did not even arrest were the protesters shouting set them free as they surounded the police. and you have yet to answer the question of exactly what awareness does it bring to the cause for them not to let the police leave?
I did look at the video. All 15 minutes of it. I don't see people in handcuffs inside the circle with the police. Please give me a time stamp where you see it.
It says in the article you posted that they surrounded the police and arestees! So are you saying that the links you posted yourself are false? Are just the pionts that agree with me?let me post again the part of the article you posted which agrees with the fact that there were in fact people that were aressted that were with the police they surrounded
3. Students did not restrict the movement of police at any time during the demonstration.
After police made a handful of arrests in the course of taking down the students’ tents, some of the remaining demonstrators formed a wide seated circle around the officers and arrestees.
So I ask again since one of your own links you posted for the TRUTH on the what happened say that there was in fact arrestees with the police,so I ask again what should they have done? dragged the people over the protesters heads?Or should they have just let the people they arrested go? And why were the protesters chanting set them free? if there was no one to set free?0 -
Time stamp 11:01 you see to men one in a redish shirt and what looks like a brown jacket,another man just behind him standing in the middle of the police....with police on either side of them,hands behind their back. The cops are in a lose formation they use for crowd situations why would these people be standing in the middle of it?0
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if they weren't preventing the police from leaving, WHY did they offer (after the pepper spray) a "brief moment of peace" to the officers and offer to "let them go"?????
When they told them over and over that they were going to use force, and the ringleader is telling them to brace themselves and cover their faces, why didn't they get up and leave then? Because they wanted to be pepper sprayed. That's the best way to get sensational headlines. They were probably overjoyed when they learned an 84 yr old hippie was among them.....the better to portray you as a victim my dear.0 -
Just a fun little movie showing what REALLY happened at UC Davis. In case you're interested in facts, instead of hype.
They should have sprayed them sooner, or brought out the rubber bullets. That would've ended it in a hurry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhPdH3wE0_Y
Win! Thanks so much for posting this. Amazing what the media turns it into.
I had to mute it, can't stand idiots like this.0 -
OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in here is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.0 -
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in here is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.
Poor Billy Madison! He tried.0 -
There are 2 sides to every story. Are there peaceful OWS protestors? Yes. Are there ones who are violent and should be arrested? Yes. Is there a mixture of employed and unemployed people involved in the OWS? Yes. Are they trashing the cities and and sites they are protesting in regardless of whether they have a job or not or whether they are peaceful or not? Yes. Which means that the city governments are the ones having to pay the bills to clean up all the trash. Is the OWS movement cohesive? Not by a long shot. Go ask a random sampling of protestors and they will give you numourous different reasons for being there. I have no issue with people wanting to protest or gather. What I DO have an issue with is those people who refuse to obey the laws to do so. Obviously not all of the OWS protestors are breaking the law and I don't think anyone here believes all of them are. But the fact remains that there are those people who refuse to leave the park after it closes and are therefore traspassing. There are those who are violent, who are using city electricity to power their cooking and camping equipment as well as their electronics. These are the ones that are giving the entire movement a bad rap. Do I believe there are jobs out there. Hell yes. Is it difficult to get one? No. My husband was unemployed for 19 months. Could he have gotten a job sooner than he did? Yep. He just didn't apply at all of those places. He held out for something he knew could go long-term and was in his field rather than going back to retail or the food industry. Thankfully, we were in a position where he could be slightly picky about what type of job he applied for. And that's only because I make enough to have been able to cover our bills. But that's also after losing our house and falling so far behind on our debt it's not even funny. Do I think there needs to be a change in how our government spends? Of course. I don't know anyone who would disagree with that. But everyone is responsible for their own downfall in some way. It's not all on the banks, the government, big business, or the individual. It's a combination of all 4 making bad decisions. The question is when do we as individuals start making the changes in our personal lives that are being demanded of the banks, goverment, and big businesses?0
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in here is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.
Poor Billy Madison! He tried.
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in here is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.Poor Billy Madison! He tried.
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I'm glad 3 of us got it!0 -
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While I like the idea of the community working together to solve the homelessness problem, housing is not a right that is (or should be) guaranteed by the government.0 -
Did anyone else hear about the woman who was an OWS protestor and split her time between the protest and looking for a job who found a job. Where? She is now working for a prominant financial firm on Wall Street. She handed her resume to the CEO of the company when she happened to meet him on the street if I remember correctly. I heard about it on the radio yesterday. I'll have to see if I can find an article about it.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQ2_Cp7now&feature=youtu.beThis discussion has been closed.