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The camping stores are making $$$ from tents, sleeping bags, campfire stoves...etc.I've still yet to hear about what good these occupy people are actually doing
Oh forgot the smiley :laugh:
Some folks see :laugh: as "pointing and laughing" around here.
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You believe opinions without facts that someone posted on the internet. How is that really any different excep that perhaps the clerk knows if they are hiring or not AND the fact that I was really just confirming Dillard's standards?I didn't go to HR. I went to a clerk who wasn't busy and asked for an application. I also agreed that it was weird and she was being nosey.
Uh, huh. Interesting. So, you believe what a nosey, busy clerk said to you when walking off the street asking for an application?
OWS may not have affected major change yet (no movement ever did within it's first few months - not civil rights or women's sufferage or even the American Revolution - impatient much?) but it's already spread world wide and politicians are starting to take notice. It's brought to light the erosion of our civil rights by the government. Would anyone really have noticed that they are trying to pass a bill that would allow for detaining of citizens indefinitely if everyone was a lemming instead of pointing out government overreaching it's boundaries? Would the government have started to notice that middle class people exist as more than tax revenue all on their own when they haven't for the past few decades? Give it a while and maybe corproations won't be people anymore. Maybe banking regulations will be enforced as much as park regulations are. Maybe nothing will happen. Maybe they won't change a damn thing. But I can guarantee you that if everyone sat on their couch and *****ed to no one that nothing would ever change. Except the rich getting richer, buying a bigger share of the government at the expense of everyone else.0 -
Yes. It was a headline on Drudge and FoxNews.com yesterday, actually. :laugh: I don't think Occupy had anything to do with people knowing about it, and being concerned about it.Would anyone really have noticed that they are trying to pass a bill that would allow for detaining of citizens indefinitely if everyone was a lemming instead of pointing out government overreaching it's boundaries?
Protesting in the streets won't do much either. The way to affect the changes desired is to elect good people to be our representatives. Again -- why is Occupy protesting and screaming at Wall Street, rather than the gov't? I believe it's because there is a Democrat in the White House.Would the government have started to notice that middle class people exist as more than tax revenue all on their own when they haven't for the past few decades? Give it a while and maybe corproations won't be people anymore. Maybe banking regulations will be enforced as much as park regulations are. Maybe nothing will happen. Maybe they won't change a damn thing. But I can guarantee you that if everyone sat on their couch and *****ed to no one that nothing would ever change. Except the rich getting richer, buying a bigger share of the government at the expense of everyone else.0 -
+1For 5 pages I talk about professionals, retirees, students, etc at OWS and you people keep spouting off about unwashed and unemployed. I talk about 14 million people without jobs, the number of resumes I got for a 10 hour filing position, and the number of jobs available in 2 different cities in 2 different careers and you people harp on more about unwashed and unemployed. We talk about Iraq vets with head trauma, old ladies and old men being beaten and pepper sprayed and you rant about unwashed and unemployed. But I say the word "stripper" (and yes, you are pretty enough to be one. I actually looked at your profile and that's where that part came from since you said you liked them.) and THAT'S the ONLY thing any of you are actually able to discuss. You may or may not watch Fox "news" but you sure sound like their lemmings.0 -
Occupy can't win with some folks. Almost everyone in this country was angry at the banks and Wall Street, conservative, liberal, moderate, dem, repub. But the minute people stand up and protest, all cable news had to do is call it liberal for half the country to instantly hate it.0
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I think the occupiers' actions were enough. Nobody needed any analysis to figure it out.Occupy can't win with some folks. Almost everyone in this country was angry at the banks and Wall Street, conservative, liberal, moderate, dem, repub. But the minute people stand up and protest, all cable news had to do is call it liberal for half the country to instantly hate it.0 -
Occupy can't win with some folks. Almost everyone in this country was angry at the banks and Wall Street, conservative, liberal, moderate, dem, repub. But the minute people stand up and protest, all cable news had to do is call it liberal for half the country to instantly hate it.
I hate it based on the actions,not by the media calling it liberal.I could care less that its liberal0 -
Occupy can't win with some folks. Almost everyone in this country was angry at the banks and Wall Street, conservative, liberal, moderate, dem, repub. But the minute people stand up and protest, all cable news had to do is call it liberal for half the country to instantly hate it.
I hate it based on the actions,not by the media calling it liberal.I could care less that its liberal
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-la-30-tons-of-debris-left-behind-at-city-hall-tent-city.html
I wish there was a way to bill the occupiers for this cleanup.
This is not going to help them escape a dirty-hippy image.0 -
Didn't see this posted yet. Adam Carolla explains the occupy generation. Warning, he drops a few F bombs.
Full of win!
http://www.breitbart.tv/adam-carolla-explains-the-occupywallstreet-generation/0 -
Agreed. Compare to how Tea Party rallies left their event grounds to other rallies. Amazing the disregard.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-la-30-tons-of-debris-left-behind-at-city-hall-tent-city.html
I hate it based on the actions,not by the media calling it liberal.I could care less that its liberalOccupy can't win with some folks. Almost everyone in this country was angry at the banks and Wall Street, conservative, liberal, moderate, dem, repub. But the minute people stand up and protest, all cable news had to do is call it liberal for half the country to instantly hate it.
I wish there was a way to bill the occupiers for this cleanup.
This is not going to help them escape a dirty-hippy image.0 -
Just a fun little movie showing what REALLY happened at UC Davis. In case you're interested in facts, instead of hype.
They should have sprayed them sooner, or brought out the rubber bullets. That would've ended it in a hurry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhPdH3wE0_Y0 -
I am just disgusted by the number of people who are wiping their @$$es with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I loathe the KKK but if someone asked me if the police should pepper spray, beat, and throw flash grenades at them I would heartily say "Absolutely NOT!" I also wouldn't cheer the police pepper spraying and beating the Phelps gang and I probably loathe them even more.0
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Just a fun little movie showing what REALLY happened at UC Davis. In case you're interested in facts, instead of hype.
They should have sprayed them sooner, or brought out the rubber bullets. That would've ended it in a hurry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhPdH3wE0_Y
Yeah its funny how the media that is "supposedly" trying to paint the occupy protesters in such a bad light chose to leave this little bit out.0 -
I am just disgusted by the number of people who are wiping their @$$es with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I loathe the KKK but if someone asked me if the police should pepper spray, beat, and throw flash grenades at them I would heartily say "Absolutely NOT!" I also wouldn't cheer the police pepper spraying and beating the Phelps gang and I probably loathe them even more.
If they are breaking a LAW,which these protesters were then they got what they deserved.0 -
I am just disgusted by the number of people who are wiping their @$$es with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I loathe the KKK but if someone asked me if the police should pepper spray, beat, and throw flash grenades at them I would heartily say "Absolutely NOT!" I also wouldn't cheer the police pepper spraying and beating the Phelps gang and I probably loathe them even more.
If a group is breaking the law and law enforcement is having difficulty controlling them, pepper spray is a non-violent way of doing so.0 -
There is a law against speeding. If you are doing 65 in a 55 and get pulled over you'd be OK with being pepper sprayed, beaten, and having your skull fractured with a flash grenade?
There is a law against leaving kids younger than 12 home alone. If you have a sick 11yo and run out to the store to buy him some cough drops the police would have every right to permanently damage your hands by cuffing you far too tightly?
There is a law against jay walking, not wearing a seat belt, drinking alcohol under the age of 21, smoking pot, smoking cigarettes under age 18, etc. How many of those law breakers are gassed, beaten, have flash grenades thrown at them, etc? Hell, I'd bet it's an exceptionally rare adult who HASN'T broken any law, ever.
If the police are going to pepper spray and beat people for breaking the law they need to buy much, much more because they need to go hose down Wall Street and virtually every political office in this country.0 -
There is a law against speeding. If you are doing 65 in a 55 and get pulled over you'd be OK with being pepper sprayed, beaten, and having your skull fractured with a flash grenade?
There is a law against leaving kids younger than 12 home alone. If you have a sick 11yo and run out to the store to buy him some cough drops the police would have every right to permanently damage your hands by cuffing you far too tightly?
There is a law against jay walking, not wearing a seat belt, drinking alcohol under the age of 21, smoking pot, smoking cigarettes under age 18, etc. How many of those law breakers are gassed, beaten, have flash grenades thrown at them, etc? Hell, I'd bet it's an exceptionally rare adult who HASN'T broken any law, ever.
If the police are going to pepper spray and beat people for breaking the law they need to buy much, much more because they need to go hose down Wall Street and virtually every political office in this country.
Really so basicly threatning the police,preventing them from leaving even after being told MULTIPLE times to clear a path so the police could LEAVE and they could go back to their usless protesting is fine the police should have just stood there all day? they were well withen right an reason to take the actions they did.
Preventing the police from arresting someone is called OBSTRUCTION of justice,it was done by a large group of people who SURROUNDED the officers and also were chanting *kitten* the police.What do you suggest they do? If this was any other country they would have gotten way worse as it is they handled the situiation the way it should have been handled. You grasp at straws by comparing the actions of a large group of people to someone jaywalking0 -
If someone is driving 65 in a 55, a police officer is telling him to pull over and he won't, then YES, the police officer has the right to use force.There is a law against speeding. If you are doing 65 in a 55 and get pulled over you'd be OK with being pepper sprayed, beaten, and having your skull fractured with a flash grenade?
If I leave my 11 year old home alone and a police office came over to investigate and I spit in his face, cussed at him, and crapped on his foot, then YES, he has the right to use force. If I have scars and bruises on my wrists because I was moving around while being cuffed, then it's my fault.There is a law against leaving kids younger than 12 home alone. If you have a sick 11yo and run out to the store to buy him some cough drops the police would have every right to permanently damage your hands by cuffing you far too tightly?
If the people doing any of these things resisted arrest, spat on, crapped on, or ignored police officers' instructions, I support force being used.There is a law against jay walking, not wearing a seat belt, drinking alcohol under the age of 21, smoking pot, smoking cigarettes under age 18, etc. How many of those law breakers are gassed, beaten, have flash grenades thrown at them, etc? Hell, I'd bet it's an exceptionally rare adult who HASN'T broken any law, ever.If the police are going to pepper spray and beat people for breaking the law they need to buy much, much more because they need to go hose down Wall Street and virtually every political office in this country.
I think you get my point.0 -
The police could have left. All they had to do was turn around and walk that way or step over the people or arrest them. I've heard of people arresting someone for not pulling over when they were speeding. I've never heard of them beating and pepper spraying them, causing permanent nerve damage by handcuffing them too tightly, and having a large segment of the population think that was perfectly acceptable.
What law was broken when a few people went back to help Scott Olsen, the Iraq vet who had his skull fractured by the police? When a half dozen people went to help him the police threw a flash grenade at their heads. Not only weren't they breaking any law, but TX has a good samaritan law. The ones who continued to walk away were the ones breaking the law.
MLK and Rosa Parks and those guys who sat at the lunch counter (names escape me right now) all broke the law too. Should Rosa Parks have been beaten and pepper sprayed? You would have been ok with that right?
Incidentally, what law was broken? I don't recall there being a law against the right to assemble or free speech.0 -
The police should have just stepped over them :laugh: thats hilarious. Maybe they should have moved and let the police pass.The police were not trying to stop the protest they were trying to leave,why didnt they back up? they had surrounded them there was WAY more protesters than there were police. Hey who knows maybe someday someone will accoust you a group of people or criminals may surround you,im sure you will be very happy when the police say "oh so sorry but we just couldnt get to you without resorting to non violent force" its a strawman arrgument but you seem fond of those0
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Just a fun little movie showing what REALLY happened at UC Davis. In case you're interested in facts, instead of hype.
They should have sprayed them sooner, or brought out the rubber bullets. That would've ended it in a hurry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hhPdH3wE0_Y
I'm glad this video came out. When this story first came out, my first thought was, "Ok, wait a minute. What happened prior to the protestors getting sprayed? What led up to it?" When someone is warned plenty of times the consequence that will happen before it happens, that's not police brutality in my view. Those protestors knew they were going to get pepper sprayed and even prepared for it before they ever got pepper sprayed. As far as I'm concerned, they got what they deserved. All they had to do was make a path for the police to leave but they chose to be pepper sprayed instead.0 -
OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:0
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OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
Really, you are comparing people who are pooping in public places to Rosa Parks. You oughta be ashamed of yourself.0 -
OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
If you're asking me that question my response is protesters chosing to get pepper sprayed for refusing to make a path for the police to get by and leave is not even the same thing as Rosa Parks getting beaten for sitting on a bus seat and not blocking anyone from getting past. If that's what you're referring to then no, I don't think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. I think she had the right to sit in any seat on that bus she wanted to sit. Except for the driver's seat of course.0 -
No. I'm comparing kids sitting on the ground "breaking the law" against police orders to try to bring awareness to their cause to a woman sitting in the front of the bus "breaking the law" against police orders to try to bring awareness to their cause.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
Really, you are comparing people who are pooping in public places to Rosa Parks. You oughta be ashamed of yourself.
Just as MLK and Rosa Parks were probably adamantly against the riots and Black Panthers and the dirty, violent, nasty people who lumped themselves in with their group, I, and most everyone else who supports OWS, are against the idiots taking dumps on police cars and all that other nastiness.0 -
But she was blocking people. That bus wasn't moving while she was sitting there. She made everyone on that bus and everyone waiting for that bus at any future stop late. She most definitely held them up. She caused a lot more inconvenience to a lot more people than a group of students sitting on the ground or standing in the grass like they did at UC Berkley (where they were blocking no one at all) The difference is you agree with her and don't like OWS.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
If you're asking me that question my response is protesters chosing to get pepper sprayed for refusing to make a path for the police to get by and leave is not even the same thing as Rosa Parks getting beaten for sitting on a bus seat and not blocking anyone from getting past. If that's what you're referring to then no, I don't think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. I think she had the right to sit in any seat on that bus she wanted to sit. Except for the driver's seat of course.0 -
But she was blocking people. That bus wasn't moving while she was sitting there. She made everyone on that bus and everyone waiting for that bus at any future stop late. She most definitely held them up. She caused a lot more inconvenience to a lot more people than a group of students sitting on the ground or standing in the grass like they did at UC Berkley (where they were blocking no one at all) The difference is you agree with her and don't like OWS.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
If you're asking me that question my response is protesters chosing to get pepper sprayed for refusing to make a path for the police to get by and leave is not even the same thing as Rosa Parks getting beaten for sitting on a bus seat and not blocking anyone from getting past. If that's what you're referring to then no, I don't think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. I think she had the right to sit in any seat on that bus she wanted to sit. Except for the driver's seat of course.
But she was not obstructing justice which is what the protesters were doing by blocking thge police from taking the people they arrested to jail,the police were not trying to break up the protest they were trying to leave which the protester would not let them do. totally diffrent than rosa parks0 -
OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
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No. I'm comparing kids sitting on the ground "breaking the law" against police orders to try to bring awareness to their cause to a woman sitting in the front of the bus "breaking the law" against police orders to try to bring awareness to their cause.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
Really, you are comparing people who are pooping in public places to Rosa Parks. You oughta be ashamed of yourself.
Just as MLK and Rosa Parks were probably adamantly against the riots and Black Panthers and the dirty, violent, nasty people who lumped themselves in with their group, I, and most everyone else who supports OWS, are against the idiots taking dumps on police cars and all that other nastiness.
oh and how exactly are they bringing awarness to their cause by preventing the police from leaving? what exactly does that have to do with their cause?The police werent trying to stop the protest they were trying to leave. There were maybe 2 dozen cops who were surrounded by atleast a hundred protesters. how can you even compare that to Rosa Parks wanting to sit in the front of the bus0 -
http://studentactivism.net/2011/11/20/ten-things-you-should-know-about-fridays-uc-davis-police-violence/
But she was blocking people. That bus wasn't moving while she was sitting there. She made everyone on that bus and everyone waiting for that bus at any future stop late. She most definitely held them up. She caused a lot more inconvenience to a lot more people than a group of students sitting on the ground or standing in the grass like they did at UC Berkley (where they were blocking no one at all) The difference is you agree with her and don't like OWS.OK, you do think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. Good to know what kind of people I'm speaking with here. :sick:
If you're asking me that question my response is protesters chosing to get pepper sprayed for refusing to make a path for the police to get by and leave is not even the same thing as Rosa Parks getting beaten for sitting on a bus seat and not blocking anyone from getting past. If that's what you're referring to then no, I don't think Rosa Parks should have been beaten. I think she had the right to sit in any seat on that bus she wanted to sit. Except for the driver's seat of course.
But she was not obstructing justice which is what the protesters were doing by blocking thge police from taking the people they arrested to jail,the police were not trying to break up the protest they were trying to leave which the protester would not let them do. totally diffrent than rosa parks
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http://studentactivism.net/2011/11/22/nonviolence-resisting-arrest-and-the-student-movements-of-the-sixties-and-today/
There are several videos of the incident. Please point out one scene in any of them where it shows the officers trying to get past with someone in handcuffs. (Hint - there aren't any because they weren't being blocked from taking the people they arrested to jail.) (You also need to learn what a straw-man argument is. Comparing a protester breaking the law for their cause to a protester breaking the law for a different cause isn't a straw-man. Saying, "if you are in favor of OWS you must be an unwashed, unemployed, hippie." is a straw-man argument. It's a substitute of an exaggerated or distorted argument. Not a comparison between similar situations.)
Also, while you might find it funny to think of the police stepping over someone sitting on the ground and think no one would let the police get past, Lt. John Pike (the pepper sprayer) was BEHIND the students when he was showing off his pepper spray. He sprayed them from the front though. So do you think they let him past, he stepped over them, they all turned around so he could better pepper spray them, or he teleported himeslf to he other side of their circle?0
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