Women who are intimidating?
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I probably will frustrate everyone here again but once more am confused.
Every lady here talks about being strong and independent and how guys don`t like that (false) but also in other threads almost 100 % of the ladies posting say that in a relationship they want to feel protected and girly and in some sort of "traditional" female role.
Doesn`t this tend to reward the behavior everyone claims they don`t want?0 -
I probably will frustrate everyone here again but once more am confused.
Every lady here talks about being strong and independent and how guys don`t like that (false) but also in other threads almost 100 % of the ladies posting say that in a relationship they want to feel protected and girly and in some sort of "traditional" female role.
Doesn`t this tend to reward the behavior everyone claims they don`t want?
Lol Carl! I know I know from experience I am strong, but I don't want to have to be, for everyone, all of the time. I love being with guys who are strong enough to look after me for a change. I want someone mature enough to let me do my thing, to shine in other areas of my life, who is secure enough in his masculinity not to see me as competition. But I also want someone who will indulge the carefree, girly, fun side of my nature - again for someone who has lots of heavy responsibilities elsewhere in life, being able to express this side of myself in a relationship is essential. Yes, I want it all. Have had it too - and will do again
PS I don't see this as a traditional role divide - I am all those things and more for my mate too.
PPS Flimflam I don't know if this this related to your comment about attainability, but there is no doubt that some of my single female friends emit **** off vibes without being aware of it.
PPPS (!) Orheuschic I hadn't really thought about guys anticipating future rejection, but it fits with what I know about some guys who make these choices. Others are more self confident, but still stay within the comfort zone of traditional roles as it fits with their own gender role perceptions. I agree, once in a relationship, it is usually the guy who hangs on to a bad one (fits the with % gender difference in divorce seeking stats). But the not wanting to be alone thing is as big a problem, if not bigger for women, who are more likely to go for serial monogomy, even if it means making what they know to be bad relationship choices.0 -
"Pick up" is "picking up women", get them the ones you chose as partners, as girlfriend, in bed, etc.
Really?? Never heard of these!! So, are they for shy people, or just for sex?? Not sure what you mean by 'pick-up'? (strong people maybe? :laugh:FPUA (Female Pick up artists) websites
They are for both shy people and for sex. The thing is, when they advertise them, they promise you hundreds of women (of course - they want to attract people!) but the reality is that these sites offer sound advice on how to overcome your shyness... Patterns to follow, some guidance, etc. which can be really useful when you haven't a single clue.
You're not going to morph in Dom Juan by reading these kind of resources, but you might perform better overall and avoid some dating traps.
Here is what I mean:
http://www.puatraining.com/blog/want-a-rock-star-lifestyle-nope-me-neither
Depends on what your goals are with this thing really... It's for everyone once you ignore the marketing BS that promise you tons of women.
It will work because you initially come across as unattainable. So the man thinks you're just too much for him to chew, then suddenly you make a silly comment about yourself and the guy think "maybe not after all!".
Not sure about this Florian. How does lowering your value make you more attractive?? Surely, you should be aiming for people more on your wavelength??Anyway, "attainability": you should try to lower your "value" by joking about yourself (I do that constantly when talking to women), being humble (don't talk about your achievements unless asked, and play them down), smile and send signals to men (Indicators of Interests / IOI)... This last one is important, you've got to show that you are interested - man thinks you're just being polite otherwise.
Do some kino (laugh and touch the man's shoulder casually, stuff like that).
But you still want to create "value" before that, otherwise you'll just come across as unattractive/uninteresting/a loser.
To generate attraction, you must appear "valuable yet approachable/attainable". The other person must want to be with you, and must know they can.
True. I still think women asking (single) guys out have got a much better chance of success than the reverse, men are not scared of creepos, have got the physical advantage (in case things go wrong), are never asked out (so this is flattering), might accept just for future sex (even if moderately interested). The reverse is so untrue for men asking women out, and there are so many obstacles. Women are a PITA. Yes I said it.
This is going back to asking a guy out, and most women wait to be asked (as per previous thread), but I hear what you're saying. But also, dont assume just because a woman has an 'intimidating' demeanor, she is that confident!! Or that she doesn't like to be asked as is the traditional and accepted roles at play :flowerforyou:I can't imagine a man won't respond positively to this if you're half the woman you pretend you are (if you see the guy is still shy/doesn't attack much, throw a "Hey, why don't we swap numbers before I forget").
There is no way cute girls like you can't do that (apart if you lack the balls you accuse men of lacking
which, admittedly, we are technically supposed to have more than you).
And no, I know that women that look confident are not necessarily 100% confident, and they know it too, but most men would be intimidated and probably go for a more approachable person... We're only human!0 -
My analysis is that a lot of men are very scared of being on their own - more so, I think, than most (independent, potentially 'intimidating'!) women. I've seen so many of my male friends persist in relationships that were clearly not going to work in the long term, rather than risk letting go of what wasn't working and trying again with a woman they seemed more likely to be happy with in ten years, or even ten months, time, or risking being alone for a while until they find the right person.
I don`t think this is a male or female trait but a human one.
Believe me,I have witnessed many many ladies that stay in loveless to clearly abusive relationships/marriages simply because they fear being alone and what that entails or the realities of the economics of it.0 -
I probably will frustrate everyone here again but once more am confused.
Every lady here talks about being strong and independent and how guys don`t like that (false) but also in other threads almost 100 % of the ladies posting say that in a relationship they want to feel protected and girly and in some sort of "traditional" female role.
Doesn`t this tend to reward the behavior everyone claims they don`t want?
Lol Carl! I know I know from experience I am strong, but I don't want to have to be, for everyone, all of the time. I love being with guys who are strong enough to look after me for a change. I want someone mature enough to let me do my thing, to shine in other areas of my life, who is secure enough in his masculinity not to see me as competition. But I also want someone who will indulge the carefree, girly, fun side of my nature - again for someone who has lots of heavy responsibilities elsewhere in life, being able to express this side of myself in a relationship is essential. Yes, I want it all. Have had it too - and will do again
PS I don't see this as a traditional role divide - I am all those things and more for my mate too.
It is definitely a conundrum at times.
I have been single more then long enough to know I don`t want to waste my time on a lady that is 40 going on 15 and who needs a father,it will be a heartache.
I also don`t want a lady that anytime there is a disagreement or difference of opinion goes into a huff for an indefinite amount of time.
One thing I like about this forum is that we can all express our frustrations about things and for the most part it is not taken as a personal argument.
If only real life communication was the same.0 -
Lol Carl! I know I know from experience I am strong, but I don't want to have to be, for everyone, all of the time. I love being with guys who are strong enough to look after me for a change. I want someone mature enough to let me do my thing, to shine in other areas of my life, who is secure enough in his masculinity not to see me as competition. But I also want someone who will indulge the carefree, girly, fun side of my nature - again for someone who has lots of heavy responsibilities elsewhere in life, being able to express this side of myself in a relationship is essential. Yes, I want it all. Have had it too - and will do again
THIS!
Yes, I can be "a ***** in the boardroom." I still want to be babied when I get home. Being a tough, intelligent, independent woman is exhausting. I turn off "Dr. Lori" when I get to my front door. After that, I'm just another single girl wanting someone to cook dinner for, to watch a movie with, and take my mind off work.0 -
Can I ask though how is a guy supposed to know which one a lady wants to be and when?
Please don`t think I am either a crap stirrer(sp) or woman hater by asking these things because I am not either.
It is very interesting and informative to talk about openly and honestly.0 -
Pick up" is "picking up women", get them the ones you chose as partners, as girlfriend, in bed, etc.
They are for both shy people and for sex. The thing is, when they advertise them, they promise you hundreds of women (of course - they want to attract people!) but the reality is that these sites offer sound advice on how to overcome your shyness... Patterns to follow, some guidance, etc. which can be really useful when you haven't a single clue.
Ahh, Ok, thanks :flowerforyou: For some strange reason I thought you meant it was another kind of dating/sex site!! :laugh: Rather than an educational resource.
To generate attraction, you must appear "valuable yet approachable/attainable". The other person must want to be with you, and must know they can.
I am with you! I think I can give off vibes of not being approachable too! In fact, I felt like this last night! With me though, I think I put it down to shyness/confidence. Sometimes I watch my girlfriends and how they naturally flirt and talk to guys, but with me, I need to be pretty drunk to do that!! :laugh:
I dont know, its a tough one. What makes a girl intimidating to one guy could be what turns another guy on! I think its men that are shy and lacking confidence that will more find a woman intimidating? And then that makes the man unapproachable. This can all be a very vicious circle as woman withdraws into her shyness, the man does too.........arghhhh!! The pick game is NOT easy!!
True. I still think women asking (single) guys out have got a much better chance of success than the reverse, men are not scared of creepos, have got the physical advantage (in case things go wrong), are never asked out (so this is flattering), might accept just for future sex (even if moderately interested). The reverse is so untrue for men asking women out, and there are so many obstacles. Women are a PITA. Yes I said it.
Interesting!! But perhaps futile for the above reasons; both man and woman can be shy, fear rejection, not confident.......
No idea what PITA means?? :huh:0 -
Can I ask though how is a guy supposed to know which one a lady wants to be and when?
Please don`t think I am either a crap stirrer(sp) or woman hater by asking these things because I am not either.
It is very interesting and informative to talk about openly and honestly.
Take it as red that 99% of women want to be protected, cherished, loved, adored, spoilt and treated as equals. BUT done in a manly way!!! They also need a man to not take their BS! So being under the thumb and acting like a doormat is not attractive. Try not to worry about getting it wrong!! A woman will snap your head off for getting it right as well as wrong!!!!....... :laugh: This isnt due to you per se, this is due to her ever fluctuating hormones/moods. And some women are moodier than others!! I can't even bear to around my own sister when she gets her moods on!! SO, just be who YOU are and THAT is the right way :flowerforyou:0 -
Can I ask though how is a guy supposed to know which one a lady wants to be and when?
Please don`t think I am either a crap stirrer(sp) or woman hater by asking these things because I am not either.
It is very interesting and informative to talk about openly and honestly.
Take it as red that 99% of women want to be protected, cherished, loved, adored, spoilt and treated as equals. BUT done in a manly way!!! They also need a man to not take their BS! So being under the thumb and acting like a doormat is not attractive. Try not to worry about getting it wrong!! A woman will snap your head off for getting it right as well as wrong!!!!....... :laugh: This isnt due to you per se, this is due to her ever fluctuating hormones/moods. And some women are moodier than others!! I can't even bear to around my own sister when she gets her moods on!! SO, just be who YOU are and THAT is the right way :flowerforyou:
Yet women think guys have it easy. :laugh:
At least cut us some slack for having to try to deal with all that.
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Anna - PITA = Pain in the *kitten*
Carl - if I had an answer to that question, I wouldn't be single. I've never had a date that didn't come through the internet, so I'm probably not the person to ask about breaking through that serious facade. I can tell you that if you put a keyboard in front of me, I'll say just about anything as long as it's honest.0 -
Anna - PITA = Pain in the *kitten*
Cheers honey :flowerforyou:0 -
Can I ask though how is a guy supposed to know which one a lady wants to be and when?
Please don`t think I am either a crap stirrer(sp) or woman hater by asking these things because I am not either.
It is very interesting and informative to talk about openly and honestly.
Take it as red that 99% of women want to be protected, cherished, loved, adored, spoilt and treated as equals. ........ just be who YOU are and THAT is the right way :flowerforyou:
I agree with this ^^^. Independent may be a misleading word, now I think of it. Most of us want interconnectedness with others, it's what makes life rich in meaning which makes for a happy life. What I'm referring to when I use the word is the knowledge that I can make my own way in the world, find such connections with others when single and the desire to be equal in a relationship. So really there is no conflict between this and need for protection, love and adoration.
As Anna says, being yourself is the only way to go. With the right person, understanding of them grows as you feel closer to them and this is an entirely mutual process. If it seems difficult then this is a good sign that the person isn't right for you. A relationship is only as good as the level of communication in it (there are other important factors too but this is a show stopper). If one person doesn't understand what another wants in a relationship, then that's a sign that the level of communication is poor.
Forgive me if I am wrong Carl, but from the few posts I have read you seem very concerned with what a woman may want of you. Just as important is what you want of them. A good starting point is that they are able to give as well as take. They should be equally interested in you as a person, find things in you that they value as special, be able to communicate this to you and express appreciation for your affection.
By way of contrast, a taker's focus is themselves, their interest in the other person is based on what they can give. They are more likely to demand and chastise. Because their focus is not on the needs of the other person, the relationship lacks mutuality and this limits it's potential for growth. They may be wonderful people as individuals, they may love each other, but both the love and the relationship lack depth.
Not sure this helps any Carl, just wondered if you were barking up the wrong tree in the quest for what women want. You seem like a kind and thoughtful man. My advice is to focus on showing that side of yourself (along with the fun loving guy) to the ladies so they can get to know and appreciate the whole person. The rest should come easily, with the right lady 0 -
To be honest and clear I really am trying to point out and figure out what I see as conflicts in thought.
I am a guy so there will be a bias to that no matter how hard I try to be neutral and objective.
In this case it is the observations I see of ladies who want to be and consider themselves strong,independent and liberated but then also express a desire to be for lack of better words submissive and even subservient to a guy in a relationship.
Perhaps I shake a stick in a lions cage too much and sorry for that but think that both men and women can benefit from an honest and open discussion about what they feel and how their actions influence relationships.
What I can learn from any discussion can only be helpful but I am afraid it does make people reluctant to participate. :frown:0 -
To be fair about it I should say as well that just about every guy here at MFP,myself included says that they want a lady to be who she is,not a magazine model,that we want to cuddle,hold hands and love a lady but one post of boobs and we are all drooling and acting somewhat pervy.
I am as guilty as anyone of this but have to understand it too is a mixed message.0 -
There is no conflict when you look at it the right way.To be honest and clear I really am trying to point out and figure out what I see as conflicts in thought.
In this case it is the observations I see of ladies who want to be and consider themselves strong,independent and liberated but then also express a desire to be for lack of better words submissive and even subservient to a guy in a relationship.
Everyone wants to be independent in society, in general (although admittedly being "independent" in general gives women the possibility to be independent from you - which, please note, was unthinkable 100 years ago. Women married, bred and that was it).
Acknowledge the fact that the women you meet is independent, and give her some leeway (don't be controlling, don't think she Needs you with a capital N like it was the case 100 years ago).
They don't want to exist through you, they want to be acknowledged as proper, real individuals: independent individuals that don't need you to exist.
Men always had (and still have) the upper hand in society: more leadership roles are filled by men. It's been like that forever, and it's not changing much. So, as men, we might not subconsciously feel that we have much to prove in this area.
So yes, women want to be independent and strong in society (and they can use it as a stick if you start pissing them off - they can leave you if they want too, which was again unthinkable 100 years ago).
In relationships, they want you as a man to be independent and strong too, even if it means you have to say no to them. So don't be a doormat (that's a long term failure: you're not independent and strong). Don't use violence either, or coercion (that's an instant failure: you lost control).
As a male, from the women's POV you're expected to be a rock: you never lose control, you're always standing, strong, you're there when they need you, you're an island in a world of madness.
They will admire you for that: you have your own goals, you know what you want and you don't take *kitten* from them or anyone actually. They will even support you in your goals once they see this.
Both sexes have got traits, males are more violent for example. So just accept the fact that women are followers in relationships, and they expect you to take control.
To cut a very long story short, if you're the kind of man they are after (a rock to which they can hang), they will basically renounce to a lot of things for you and give up a lot of control to you, thus becoming submissive and subservient (or so it would seem). It's in our male nature too to be more "violent" and "direct", and in women's nature to be more "supportive" (submissive?) and "carers".
To cut it even shorter, it's a bit like projecting the vibe of an idealised dad (remember how safe you felt when your dad was around? Same).
People, feel free to disagree, but it's hard to put words on this...
So you haven't seen the tons of post full of hunks with 6-packs for the ladies? (more than posts from men about hot ladies as well!)To be fair about it I should say as well that just about every guy here at MFP,myself included says that they want a lady to be who she is,not a magazine model,that we want to cuddle,hold hands and love a lady but one post of boobs and we are all drooling and acting somewhat pervy.
Don't worry about that, they do it too... We're only humans!
It's just for fun and everyone knows it
What men want really is a woman who is Mother/*kitten*/Daughter. 0 -
To be fair about it I should say as well that just about every guy here at MFP,myself included says that they want a lady to be who she is,not a magazine model,that we want to cuddle,hold hands and love a lady but one post of boobs and we are all drooling and acting somewhat pervy.
Just like almost all guys will say they like a woman in t-shirt, jeans, and a baseball cap. Funny, when I used to wear that all the time, I got nowhere near the amount of male attention that I do now that I "dress up" all the time. Not doing it for the guys, doing it for myself, but I notice the dressing up for myself certainly has side benefits.0 -
I hear you there. I've noticed that when I DO the "tshirts, jeans, ballcap" look, I get more attention from lesbians than I do from men. Trade that for a Vneck and a pushup bra with my jeans or a skirt and heels... then at least the men look, even if they won't approach me.0
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My analysis is that a lot of men are very scared of being on their own - more so, I think, than most (independent, potentially 'intimidating'!) women. I've seen so many of my male friends persist in relationships that were clearly not going to work in the long term, rather than risk letting go of what wasn't working and trying again with a woman they seemed more likely to be happy with in ten years, or even ten months, time, or risking being alone for a while until they find the right person.
I don`t think this is a male or female trait but a human one.
Believe me,I have witnessed many many ladies that stay in loveless to clearly abusive relationships/marriages simply because they fear being alone and what that entails or the realities of the economics of it.
Oh absolutely, and in respect of bad relationships, very often it is still the women who are least able to leave, more often than not for economic reasons - financially, it's harder being single, especially if you also have children to support. What I was talking about, and didn't explain very clearly, was the 'adequate' but not fantastic relationships I frequently see my male friends sticking with out of fear of being alone. My female friends seem much more able to walk away from relationships that aren't providing now, or in the longer term won't provide, what they need in terms of intellectual stimulation and emotional connection.To be honest and clear I really am trying to point out and figure out what I see as conflicts in thought.
In this case it is the observations I see of ladies who want to be and consider themselves strong,independent and liberated but then also express a desire to be for lack of better words submissive and even subservient to a guy in a relationship.
I'm not sure that we do want to feel submissive or subservient. Speaking for myself, I want to be an equal partner in a relationship. My credo has always been "equal, but different" in regards to men and women, and I think what you're talking about is a wish to feel feminine and cherished, rather than any desire to be 'less' in the relationship.
Culturally, the image of the female being the dependent in a relationship is still very strong, and while we no longer need to be dependent financially or in terms of our manner of living, we are still typically physically smaller and weaker. As a matter of species survival, women are inherently programmed to desire the feeling of being more 'protected' when we are with a larger, physically-stronger male. For centuries, that physical strength has also been construed as emotional strength - the 'rock' flamfloz refers to. When we are with a male who is physically stronger, we feel feminine (that women are 'supposed' to be more petite than their partners is pretty engrained - even Princess Fiona-as-ogress is smaller than Shrek!), if he's emotionally stable and expresses his affection in a reliable, steady manner, we feel cherished. Presumably - correct me if I'm wrong - most men want to feel masculine in the best sense; physically protective (note I didn't say possessive or dominant!) and emotionally equally caring and cared for by their partners? It's simply the opposite side of that, and does not require either element to be 'weak'.
Instead of being less important as women have become more independent in their careers and finances, I think it is more important to us than ever to feel that we have a safe and secure place/person to come home to. That needn't compromise our individual independence, it's the complement, rather than the opposite. I would suspect most men feel the same, and always have, if such things were reliably analysed; it's just that women are still catching up as our roles and opportunities in the working world, with its' typically more 'masculine' behaviours, evolve, and the consequences of that have yet to be absorbed by the dominant culture, replacing older patterns.0 -
You won't hear me saying that! :laugh:To be fair about it I should say as well that just about every guy here at MFP,myself included says that they want a lady to be who she is,not a magazine model,that we want to cuddle,hold hands and love a lady but one post of boobs and we are all drooling and acting somewhat pervy.
Just like almost all guys will say they like a woman in t-shirt, jeans, and a baseball cap. Funny, when I used to wear that all the time, I got nowhere near the amount of male attention that I do now that I "dress up" all the time. Not doing it for the guys, doing it for myself, but I notice the dressing up for myself certainly has side benefits.
I'm a sucker for "femininity".0 -
What men want really is a woman who is Mother/*kitten*/Daughter.
@ Florian - You made some very valid comments in your whole response, especially about women and independence and the analogy of 100 years ago :flowerforyou:
When in a relationship, I think you went too far the other way!! 'Rocks' and 'strength' and 'never losing control' is all well and good but I would never expect a man to be so together/brave/strong. Life is too harsh to expect that. These days its ok for men to cry you know!!! And women to cuddle them and say it will be alright!! :flowerforyou:
How about women want a man to be: Friend/lover/Protector :bigsmile:0 -
I know I was exaggerating a "tad" since as you said, nobody expects someone to be so strong (I was fed up with typing, so I took shortcutsWhat men want really is a woman who is Mother/*kitten*/Daughter.
@ Florian - You made some very valid comments in your whole response, especially about women and independence and the analogy of 100 years ago :flowerforyou:
When in a relationship, I think you went too far the other way!! 'Rocks' and 'strength' and 'never losing control' is all well and good but I would never expect a man to be so together/brave/strong. Life is too harsh to expect that. These days men can cry you know!!! And women can cuddle them and say it will be alright!! :flowerforyou:
How about women want a man to be: Friend/lover/Protector :bigsmile: )... Let's put it this way: you should cry less than the woman you're with otherwise you're in a bad spot! :laugh:
Yeah, agree about the Friend/Lover/Protector for women.0 -
Let's put it this way: you should cry less than the woman you're with otherwise you're in a bad spot!
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I know I was exaggerating a "tad" since as you said, nobody expects someone to be so strong (I was fed up with typing, so I took shortcutsWhat men want really is a woman who is Mother/*kitten*/Daughter.
@ Florian - You made some very valid comments in your whole response, especially about women and independence and the analogy of 100 years ago :flowerforyou:
When in a relationship, I think you went too far the other way!! 'Rocks' and 'strength' and 'never losing control' is all well and good but I would never expect a man to be so together/brave/strong. Life is too harsh to expect that. These days men can cry you know!!! And women can cuddle them and say it will be alright!! :flowerforyou:
How about women want a man to be: Friend/lover/Protector :bigsmile: )... Let's put it this way: you should cry less than the woman you're with otherwise you're in a bad spot! :laugh:
Yeah, agree about the Friend/Lover/Protector for women.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: But yes, me too!0 -
Oi you!!! Stop snobbing our little hypothetical get together in London in this topic: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/537152-london-uk-meetup-the-real-deal
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: But yes, me too!I know I was exaggerating a "tad" since as you said, nobody expects someone to be so strong (I was fed up with typing, so I took shortcuts )... Let's put it this way: you should cry less than the woman you're with otherwise you're in a bad spot! :laugh:
Yeah, agree about the Friend/Lover/Protector for women.
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Eep! Going now (salutes and runs!)
Oi you!!! Stop snobbing our little hypothetical get together in London in this topic: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/537152-london-uk-meetup-the-real-deal
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: But yes, me too!I know I was exaggerating a "tad" since as you said, nobody expects someone to be so strong (I was fed up with typing, so I took shortcuts )... Let's put it this way: you should cry less than the woman you're with otherwise you're in a bad spot! :laugh:
Yeah, agree about the Friend/Lover/Protector for women.
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I rarely get hit on by men once they find out I have a good job, own my own home, and that I’m getting my masters degree. However, I know girls that have no ambitions in life and party every night that attract men like flies. I don’t get it. I prefer to date men that are intelligent and have goals in life. I would think this mind frame would go both ways. Guess not….
Me too - it is crazy if you ask me!0 -
I'm rarely intimidated by a woman. . I only get intimidated when she has EVERYTHING I want.. Then I act out those scenes in those movies where the dork is trying to talk to the hot girl and just puts his whole leg in his mouth. .It's pretty hilarious.0
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I rarely get hit on by men once they find out I have a good job, own my own home, and that I’m getting my masters degree. However, I know girls that have no ambitions in life and party every night that attract men like flies. I don’t get it. I prefer to date men that are intelligent and have goals in life. I would think this mind frame would go both ways. Guess not….
Me too - it is crazy if you ask me!
I'm glad most of us on this site are strong enough to b ourselves, but surely after this discussion we can see why so many women try to downplay their accomplishments in search of love. *sigh*0 -
I have a date with a CPA with a Master's degree tomorrow and I'm not at all intimidated by her intellectual prowess. I'm looking forward to it!0
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