5/3/1 Support Thread
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Your window is probably not dead, it may not have been opened far enough in the first place.
^100% agree with this. Wise words J...
I know for me, until I found 5/3/1 I never really had a clear cut plan. I was just going tonot making the progress I wanted... 5/3/1 made me set goals, set records and most importantly, put more weight on the bar after every cycle. My deadlift has gone from 185 1RM to 390 1RM in a little over a year and a half. I'm 5 pounds from a 300 bench (never did over 250 before 5/3/1) Squat and OHP are similar results.
Point is, The window is there, you may only have just found it.
I hope! Thank you both so much for great advice and a place to start. Im pretty weak, myself. 1 rm of 80 lbs bench, 135 dead, 60 ohp, 105 squats but I definitely want to deadlift 300 lbs and bench somewhere around 150 lbs, at least. I'm in no rush to get there but seeing even minor increments of progress would definitely make me happy!0 -
Your window is probably not dead, it may not have been opened far enough in the first place.
^100% agree with this. Wise words J...
I know for me, until I found 5/3/1 I never really had a clear cut plan. I was just going tonot making the progress I wanted... 5/3/1 made me set goals, set records and most importantly, put more weight on the bar after every cycle. My deadlift has gone from 185 1RM to 390 1RM in a little over a year and a half. I'm 5 pounds from a 300 bench (never did over 250 before 5/3/1) Squat and OHP are similar results.
Point is, The window is there, you may only have just found it.
I hope! Thank you both so much for great advice and a place to start. Im pretty weak, myself. 1 rm of 80 lbs bench, 135 dead, 60 ohp, 105 squats but I definitely want to deadlift 300 lbs and bench somewhere around 150 lbs, at least. I'm in no rush to get there but seeing even minor increments of progress would definitely make me happy!
I think you will do well with it as long as you follow it as is and keep it simple. Just for example, here's a link to the log I started keeping (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1113302-doin-work-beyond-5-3-1-jay-s-log). If you're interested in following it, start from about October 16th. Prior to that I had let myself get off-track and pushed weigh too much. I was able to reign myself back in and on 10/16 is when I got back to basics again with 5/3/1.0 -
Actually, let's make that +30lbs on the OHP now. This morning was my 5/3/1 session and I pushed singles to a 1RM of 185lb!!! w0000000t!!! I was super jazzed after that last press. I took a deep-breath, unracked the weight, and pressed then about mid-way through the concentric I started to get dizzy so I took a quick breath and I managed to press through to lock-out. I lowered the weight and was so dizzy that I almost missed getting it back into the rack, lmao! That wouldve been hilarious and luckily the gym was empty.
I'm so happy with the modifications that i made to my training with JW's feedback. Not to mention, drinking a 1/2 gallon of chocolate milk the night before I lift (+1200 calories) must have something to do with it too. The milk puts me around 900 calories over maintenance. But then on days I don't lift I eat at a pretty steep deficit. Working on strength and re-comp, not really looking to bulk. The problem is my weekend eating habits have been bad, need to clean that up.0 -
Actually, let's make that +30lbs on the OHP now. This morning was my 5/3/1 session and I pushed singles to a 1RM of 185lb!!! w0000000t!!! I was super jazzed after that last press. I took a deep-breath, unracked the weight, and pressed then about mid-way through the concentric I started to get dizzy so I took a quick breath and I managed to press through to lock-out. I lowered the weight and was so dizzy that I almost missed getting it back into the rack, lmao! That wouldve been hilarious and luckily the gym was empty.
I'm so happy with the modifications that i made to my training with JW's feedback. Not to mention, drinking a 1/2 gallon of chocolate milk the night before I lift (+1200 calories) must have something to do with it too. The milk puts me around 900 calories over maintenance. But then on days I don't lift I eat at a pretty steep deficit. Working on strength and re-comp, not really looking to bulk. The problem is my weekend eating habits have been bad, need to clean that up.
Nice work brother! I hit my first 175 last week and know how crazy awesome that is. Keep it up! E. S. M. D.!0 -
I'm still down at a 135 x 2 OHP, lol Recorded that **** for posterity...
Hey JNick, ultimately how did you change your routine based on Jim's advice? In a nutshell, what are you doing now?
Just BBB Temp 2 w/ FSL & Jokers right? If so, is that really lower volume than what you were doing before?
ALSO, did you guys read his suggestion on the forums about going 5 cycles forward, 3 back? did I read that right? And wouldn't you rather go 6 cycles forward so you can keep with the 7 week scheme in Beyond?0 -
I'm still down at a 135 x 2 OHP, lol Recorded that **** for posterity...
Hey JNick, ultimately how did you change your routine based on Jim's advice? In a nutshell, what are you doing now?
Just BBB Temp 2 w/ FSL & Jokers right? If so, is that really lower volume than what you were doing before?
ALSO, did you guys read his suggestion on the forums about going 5 cycles forward, 3 back? did I read that right? And wouldn't you rather go 6 cycles forward so you can keep with the 7 week scheme in Beyond?
Keep chuggin' along you'll get there. Long plateau's happen to everybody.
Before I was using the Strength PHase and I did real well with it at first but I got off-track and took too many liberties and added too much accessory work. If I were still using that today my OHP probably would've looked something like:
a. OHP: set1 @ 5 / set2 @ 3 / set3 @ 1+ / joker 1, joker 2, joker --> max, set 3 @ 1+, set2 @ 3+, set 3 @ 5+ or 5x5
b. DB OHP 2x15+ **These were two rep to failure sets.**
c. dips, chin-ups 5x10
d. lat pulldowns, triceps (I think I did 5x10 on both)
e. curls 3-5 10 (I often added volume by employing mechanical drop sets and would get around 100 reps)
f. delt work *same as curls*
It worked really well for me in a short period of time but it was running me down at the same time. What today's workout actually looked like:
a. OHP
5 @ 120
3 @ 135
1+ @ 150
1 @ 160 (joker 1)
1 @ 170 (joker 2)
1RM test @ 185 (joker 3)
5+ @ 120 (FSL)
b. BBB - DB Bench 5x10
c. Wide Neutral Chin-ups 5x10
d. Tricep Rope Extensions 5x10
e. KB Lat Raises 3x10 **I only did these because I still felt really good and I like to keep my delts strong because I feel like it just keeps my shoulders healthy.** I don't always do them.
- Sprinter Situps 1 x 50
My Bench Press day had turned into some crazy **** and was something like...
a. Bench Press 5/3/1 Strength Phase format
b. BB Row 5/3/1 Strength Phase format
accessory work
That didn't last long because I was fried real quick. This is what my bench press days plan is now:
a. bench press
5/3/1 sets
Joker sets
FSL
b. BBB sets - DB OHP
c. Chin-ups
d. Triceps
e. maybe deltoid work
What I've been using is...
1. BBB 6-week challenge (with DB's)
2. Joker Sets - I use the exact percentages that Jim laid-out in the book
3. FSL - I don't pyramid back down, just do FSL. I need to get back in the habit of doing Paused FSL
4. BBB 6-week challenge (opposite exercise). I actually started a little light since I'm using DB's but I will follow the same basic progression. Jim never criticized somebody for starting a little light, so I'm sure that is fine.
Very simple... Here's my log if you want to follow: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1113302-doin-work-beyond-5-3-1-jay-s-log).ALSO, did you guys read his suggestion on the forums about going 5 cycles forward, 3 back? did I read that right? And wouldn't you rather go 6 cycles forward so you can keep with the 7 week scheme in Beyond
I must have missed that; I'm not sure what I think. I plan on moving forward until I get to the point where I either know that the next cycle I will miss 5/3/1 reps or I actually start missing reps on the regular 5/3/1 set. Then I will just use my 1RM at the time or use a calculated 1RM, take 90% of that and reset. I don't plan on intentionally going backward when I'm still progressing. I'm about start cycle 5 and I'm nowhere near needing a reset, so I won't be.0 -
Yeah I'm not sure his suggestion was for everyone, and I think it might have been in response to a guy asking about holding on for a cycle rather than reseting.0
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Yeah I'm not sure his suggestion was for everyone, and I think it might have been in response to a guy asking about holding on for a cycle rather than reseting.
Some of the questions I don't get because they are in the book. He specifically addresses resetting in his books.0 -
Do any of you have a preferred spreadsheet you like to use for 531?0
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Do any of you have a preferred spreadsheet you like to use for 531?
There's a paper version and an excel version in the 2nd edition.0 -
There's also this site:
http://www.strstd.com/
I just use an app on my iPhone, but I've heard good things about that site.0 -
Sort of... I have a blank spreadsheet that I used and each column is an exercise, and then I have my 1RM, TM, and each weight calculated between 40% and 125% (joker sets). I just use a notebook to log my lifting plan and just refer to the spreadsheet for 5/3/1 weights and take notes. I put my phones in my bag or locker so they're not a distraction and so I don't drop a plate on them. LOL.
Great formula's
1RM: Weight * Reps * .0175 + Weight = Estimated 1RM (the book uses 0.0333 but I feel that is far too aggressive and .0175 is very close if not dead-on with my true 1RM)
Rounding in Excel 2010: =MROUND(CELL w/ weight reference * CELL w/ % reference,5) - This rounds in multiples of 5. If you don't have Excel 2010 you can use the CEILING function; I just find MROUND to be more precise.0 -
To end cycle 4 I hit a 260lb bench press for my new 1RM. In roughly 12 weeks I've put 30lbs on my bench press. 5/3/1 + Chocolate Milk = win. LOL0
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What's going on in the world of 5/3/1 for the rest of you guys? You've heard enough from me, how's everybody else progressing? What does your training look like?
Yesterday I did some cardio, finally, and I tried the JTS bike tempos and they were kinda tough, definitely good cardio.0 -
What's going on in the world of 5/3/1 for the rest of you guys? You've heard enough from me, how's everybody else progressing? What does your training look like?
Yesterday I did some cardio, finally, and I tried the JTS bike tempos and they were kinda tough, definitely good cardio.
Deer hunting is next week, so I am deloading this week then taking a week off for hunting. Going to start fresh with trying the 6 week cycles, FSL, and Joker sets.
Started doing front squats recently using the 5/3/1 format too, got a new 1RM of 250. It wasn't a grinder so I think I could've got more, but I had to move on. Still doing squats, just added a day for front ones. I know it's not necessarily Wendler approved, but so far I haven't had any recovery issues.
Eyeballing my first ever meet in May... havent decided if I want to do it yet or not since it requires travel/hotel. just thinking about it.0 -
What's going on in the world of 5/3/1 for the rest of you guys? You've heard enough from me, how's everybody else progressing? What does your training look like?
Yesterday I did some cardio, finally, and I tried the JTS bike tempos and they were kinda tough, definitely good cardio.
Deer hunting is next week, so I am deloading this week then taking a week off for hunting. Going to start fresh with trying the 6 week cycles, FSL, and Joker sets.
Started doing front squats recently using the 5/3/1 format too, got a new 1RM of 250. It wasn't a grinder so I think I could've got more, but I had to move on. Still doing squats, just added a day for front ones. I know it's not necessarily Wendler approved, but so far I haven't had any recovery issues.
Eyeballing my first ever meet in May... havent decided if I want to do it yet or not since it requires travel/hotel. just thinking about it.
That's cool, you won't regret it that's for sure. Good for you on the Front Squats I friggin' hate them becuase I struggle with the clean position.
With any luck you'll be luggin' around a buck which will be plenty of exercise. My brother-in-law just got one, so good luck to you.
I'm really waiting to hear from somebody that is doing SVR but doing it "by the book." SVR is almost "Cube'ish" in design.0 -
What's going on in the world of 5/3/1 for the rest of you guys? You've heard enough from me, how's everybody else progressing? What does your training look like?
Yesterday I did some cardio, finally, and I tried the JTS bike tempos and they were kinda tough, definitely good cardio.
Deer hunting is next week, so I am deloading this week then taking a week off for hunting. Going to start fresh with trying the 6 week cycles, FSL, and Joker sets.
Started doing front squats recently using the 5/3/1 format too, got a new 1RM of 250. It wasn't a grinder so I think I could've got more, but I had to move on. Still doing squats, just added a day for front ones. I know it's not necessarily Wendler approved, but so far I haven't had any recovery issues.
Eyeballing my first ever meet in May... havent decided if I want to do it yet or not since it requires travel/hotel. just thinking about it.
That's cool, you won't regret it that's for sure. Good for you on the Front Squats I friggin' hate them becuase I struggle with the clean position.
With any luck you'll be luggin' around a buck which will be plenty of exercise. My brother-in-law just got one, so good luck to you.
I'm really waiting to hear from somebody that is doing SVR but doing it "by the book." SVR is almost "Cube'ish" in design.
I'll try the SVR. I'm resetting anyways, looks like fun. What do you mean by "by the book"? I'd like your thoughts here, can/should a person do FSL and Joker sets too? It seems like Joker sets are kind of built in to the 5/3/1 week in SVR, but only that week. I am thinking of doing FSL (paused squat and bench) or just going with BBB for the first few cycles and see how it goes. Thoughts?0 -
I'll try the SVR. I'm resetting anyways, looks like fun. What do you mean by "by the book"? I'd like your thoughts here, can/should a person do FSL and Joker sets too? It seems like Joker sets are kind of built in to the 5/3/1 week in SVR, but only that week. I am thinking of doing FSL (paused squat and bench) or just going with BBB for the first few cycles and see how it goes. Thoughts?
"By the book" I mean to do it as Jim writes it without taking personal liberties on that method. I would almost say that FSL and Jokers don't apply with SVR; it's like its own self-contained training method without needing any of the add-ons. Jokers and FSL fit perfectly with BBB but I don't think it works for SVR. Each week of SVR is very specific with the 3/5/1 format. Week 1 of 3's is for Rep PR's, Week 2 of 5's is for Volume, Week 3 of 5/3/1 is for heavy Singles. He probably should've called it RVS but it doesn't have the same ring to it. LOL!
For FSL, yes I would recommend doing paused squats, bench, and OHP. It's surprising as to how much harder it can be by holding a 2 or 3 second pause. Today for instance was my OHP day. My FSL set was 110lbs and I held it for a 3-second pause; I could only do 10 reps, but I can rep 140 for 10 regular reps. Granted FSL comes after a couple Joker sets but still. I like the fact that with BBB I can still push heavier sets with Joker Sets but have the volume of FSL and BBB. Plus I do the opposite exercise for BBB, so I get to do each main exercise twice a week, which I think helps me a lot but it could be all mental.0 -
I'll try the SVR. I'm resetting anyways, looks like fun. What do you mean by "by the book"? I'd like your thoughts here, can/should a person do FSL and Joker sets too? It seems like Joker sets are kind of built in to the 5/3/1 week in SVR, but only that week. I am thinking of doing FSL (paused squat and bench) or just going with BBB for the first few cycles and see how it goes. Thoughts?
"By the book" I mean to do it as Jim writes it without taking personal liberties on that method. I would almost say that FSL and Jokers don't apply with SVR; it's like its own self-contained training method without needing any of the add-ons. Jokers and FSL fit perfectly with BBB but I don't think it works for SVR. Each week of SVR is very specific with the 3/5/1 format. Week 1 of 3's is for Rep PR's, Week 2 of 5's is for Volume, Week 3 of 5/3/1 is for heavy Singles. He probably should've called it RVS but it doesn't have the same ring to it. LOL!
For FSL, yes I would recommend doing paused squats, bench, and OHP. It's surprising as to how much harder it can be by holding a 2 or 3 second pause. Today for instance was my OHP day. My FSL set was 110lbs and I held it for a 3-second pause; I could only do 10 reps, but I can rep 140 for 10 regular reps. Granted FSL comes after a couple Joker sets but still. I like the fact that with BBB I can still push heavier sets with Joker Sets but have the volume of FSL and BBB. Plus I do the opposite exercise for BBB, so I get to do each main exercise twice a week, which I think helps me a lot but it could be all mental.
I think what I'll try is to do the SVR sets, BBB at 50% - of complimentary lift i.e. Front Squat, Incline Press, Sumo or Defecit Dead, etc... and then minor assistance work. We'll see how it goes for a few cycles.0 -
I think what I'll try is to do the SVR sets, BBB at 50% - of complimentary lift i.e. Front Squat, Incline Press, Sumo or Defecit Dead, etc... and then minor assistance work. We'll see how it goes for a few cycles.
Do you think you would need that extra volume on SVR 3's and 5's weeks? It seems like the only day that would need more volume is the SVR 5/3/1 day. I'm thinking that maybe you just find 3 or 4 accessory movements to work on weak-points, maybe had FSL to the 3's day. Don't know...0 -
What's going on in the world of 5/3/1 for the rest of you guys? You've heard enough from me, how's everybody else progressing? What does your training look like?
Yesterday I did some cardio, finally, and I tried the JTS bike tempos and they were kinda tough, definitely good cardio.
I am in week 3 right now. Not exactly sure what cycle I am on, I started it last year and have been using a few different spreadsheets so currently it is cycle 5. My deadlift is at 365 (so close to 400) but my OHP is a disappointing 145 for 4 or 5 clean reps. I need to do something to break through on the press. Bench and squats were reset to 245 and 300.0 -
What's going on in the world of 5/3/1 for the rest of you guys? You've heard enough from me, how's everybody else progressing? What does your training look like?
Yesterday I did some cardio, finally, and I tried the JTS bike tempos and they were kinda tough, definitely good cardio.
I am in week 3 right now. Not exactly sure what cycle I am on, I started it last year and have been using a few different spreadsheets so currently it is cycle 5. My deadlift is at 365 (so close to 400) but my OHP is a disappointing 145 for 4 or 5 clean reps. I need to do something to break through on the press. Bench and squats were reset to 245 and 300.
I remember being stuck at 365 and 385 for a while and then one day I just hit 405. What variation of 5/3/1 are you on? Have you gotten Beyond 5/3/1 and looked into some of the new stuff? I actually reset my squat too when I first started 5/3/1. I was just struggling too much and having too many issues with my hips. The reset has been perfect.0 -
What's going on in the world of 5/3/1 for the rest of you guys? You've heard enough from me, how's everybody else progressing? What does your training look like?
Yesterday I did some cardio, finally, and I tried the JTS bike tempos and they were kinda tough, definitely good cardio.
I am in week 3 right now. Not exactly sure what cycle I am on, I started it last year and have been using a few different spreadsheets so currently it is cycle 5. My deadlift is at 365 (so close to 400) but my OHP is a disappointing 145 for 4 or 5 clean reps. I need to do something to break through on the press. Bench and squats were reset to 245 and 300.
I remember being stuck at 365 and 385 for a while and then one day I just hit 405. What variation of 5/3/1 are you on? Have you gotten Beyond 5/3/1 and looked into some of the new stuff? I actually reset my squat too when I first started 5/3/1. I was just struggling too much and having too many issues with my hips. The reset has been perfect.
I'm not really stuck on the deadlift. I did 355 for I believe 6 reps last week and it was the first time that I got 355 up. I have not gotten beyond but have tried jokers for a little and will throw them in occasionally when I am feeling good.
I am doing BBB doing them on alternating days (Squat/Deadlift, Bench/OHP) and am on the 3rd cycle where I did 50%, 60% and 70% 5x10. I was able to get all of those reps done until the last set at 70% where I got 8-10 depending on the lift and the week. I have been doing much better on my bench and squat getting full ROM.
I feel like all of my lifts are going up and I am getting stronger but the OHP just seems to be lagging behind.0 -
I'm not really stuck on the deadlift. I did 355 for I believe 6 reps last week and it was the first time that I got 355 up. I have not gotten beyond but have tried jokers for a little and will throw them in occasionally when I am feeling good.
I am doing BBB doing them on alternating days (Squat/Deadlift, Bench/OHP) and am on the 3rd cycle where I did 50%, 60% and 70% 5x10. I was able to get all of those reps done until the last set at 70% where I got 8-10 depending on the lift and the week. I have been doing much better on my bench and squat getting full ROM.
I feel like all of my lifts are going up and I am getting stronger but the OHP just seems to be lagging behind.
Well if that's the one lagging, that's the most common one to lag behind. What do you do for upper back work? One thing that I like doing so far is using DB's for my BBB OHP and BP lifts instead of the barbell. You're accomplishing basically the same thing but yet using the DB's is a slightly different stimulus. If you're using alternating days you can also use FSL and you might consider doing those as paused-reps.0 -
I'm not really stuck on the deadlift. I did 355 for I believe 6 reps last week and it was the first time that I got 355 up. I have not gotten beyond but have tried jokers for a little and will throw them in occasionally when I am feeling good.
I am doing BBB doing them on alternating days (Squat/Deadlift, Bench/OHP) and am on the 3rd cycle where I did 50%, 60% and 70% 5x10. I was able to get all of those reps done until the last set at 70% where I got 8-10 depending on the lift and the week. I have been doing much better on my bench and squat getting full ROM.
I feel like all of my lifts are going up and I am getting stronger but the OHP just seems to be lagging behind.
Well if that's the one lagging, that's the most common one to lag behind. What do you do for upper back work? One thing that I like doing so far is using DB's for my BBB OHP and BP lifts instead of the barbell. You're accomplishing basically the same thing but yet using the DB's is a slightly different stimulus. If you're using alternating days you can also use FSL and you might consider doing those as paused-reps.
Well I wasn't stuck on deadlifts before. Tried 365 3 times tonight and couldn't get it past my shins. I decided to start doing rack pulls. For upper back work I am doing barbell rows. I just started doing them off of the rack as well to take the tension off after each pull.
I only have 50 lb dumbbells so that doesn't work for my bench when I've been doing 180 for my BBB. I've been doing 110 for OHP so they may work for a little there but I am planning on changing the BBB programming next cycle and doing 65% 5x10, 75% 5x8 and 85%5x5 so I will be needing more for the OHP.0 -
I'm not really stuck on the deadlift. I did 355 for I believe 6 reps last week and it was the first time that I got 355 up. I have not gotten beyond but have tried jokers for a little and will throw them in occasionally when I am feeling good.
I am doing BBB doing them on alternating days (Squat/Deadlift, Bench/OHP) and am on the 3rd cycle where I did 50%, 60% and 70% 5x10. I was able to get all of those reps done until the last set at 70% where I got 8-10 depending on the lift and the week. I have been doing much better on my bench and squat getting full ROM.
I feel like all of my lifts are going up and I am getting stronger but the OHP just seems to be lagging behind.
Well if that's the one lagging, that's the most common one to lag behind. What do you do for upper back work? One thing that I like doing so far is using DB's for my BBB OHP and BP lifts instead of the barbell. You're accomplishing basically the same thing but yet using the DB's is a slightly different stimulus. If you're using alternating days you can also use FSL and you might consider doing those as paused-reps.
Well I wasn't stuck on deadlifts before. Tried 365 3 times tonight and couldn't get it past my shins. I decided to start doing rack pulls. For upper back work I am doing barbell rows. I just started doing them off of the rack as well to take the tension off after each pull.
I only have 50 lb dumbbells so that doesn't work for my bench when I've been doing 180 for my BBB. I've been doing 110 for OHP so they may work for a little there but I am planning on changing the BBB programming next cycle and doing 65% 5x10, 75% 5x8 and 85%5x5 so I will be needing more for the OHP.
Let us know how the Rack Pulls go for you. I use to do them and they never seemed to benefit me much. The best thing for me was pulling heavier more often and building my posterior chain. I think the added volume with 5/3/1 has helped a lot too. Recently I started doing Sumo DL's for my BBB exercise. I think those also help in building strength for getting the weight off the floor; I'm going to use them for another cycle or two and see how it goes.
The DB limitation sucks but you can probably work around it. Why not try doing the BBB exercise as you would with the BB but do them as paused reps, like a 2 or 3 second hold? I'm not sure what % you're using for your BBB but it's possible you may have to back-off the weight a little. One thing that some people scoffed at that I added in several months ago was Lat Raises. I do 5sets of 10 at least once a week and I've gone from doing 20lbs for sets of 10 to now doing 40lbs for a couple sets of 10 and then I taper of to sets of 9 and 8 but I'm building up. Coincidentally, my OHP and BP are also going up. I've also had trouble with my shoulder for years and it's never felt healthier since I've been doing lat raises. It's a consideration as well.0 -
Today was kind of a jacked-up training session. The weight was moving well but I kept popping a blood vessel in my nose and it just got so frustrating that I had to stop. I was suppose to do a Joker set of 400 for 5 reps and I would've gotten it if I didn't have blood pouring out my nose after the 2nd rep. I did a 3rd rep and had to stop. There were a lot of people in the gym this morning and I felt like an *kitten* getting blood all over the damn floor. What a pain in the *kitten*.0
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This last cycle I have been doing 5x10 at 270 for deadlifts on my squat day. It has definitely been kicking my *kitten* hard when I do that. I was able to get 365 off of the floor on 2 of the attempts that I made but was only able to get it to about mid shin so that's why I decided to throw in the rack pulls. On squat day I may just progress up to 365 again doing triples to see if I can get it. I think that most of the problem is mental because I didn't have any trouble at 355 last month. I was doing more sumos over the summer but decided to get back into doing the conventional DLs.
I could see that I may be going for too much in my BBB OHP sets. I will dial that down a bit and I can probably just use the DB for a bit and will add in some lat raises.0 -
This last cycle I have been doing 5x10 at 270 for deadlifts on my squat day. It has definitely been kicking my *kitten* hard when I do that. I was able to get 365 off of the floor on 2 of the attempts that I made but was only able to get it to about mid shin so that's why I decided to throw in the rack pulls. On squat day I may just progress up to 365 again doing triples to see if I can get it. I think that most of the problem is mental because I didn't have any trouble at 355 last month. I was doing more sumos over the summer but decided to get back into doing the conventional DLs.
I could see that I may be going for too much in my BBB OHP sets. I will dial that down a bit and I can probably just use the DB for a bit and will add in some lat raises.
Hey, rack pulls definitely work for some folks so you should go for it. I wish our gym's rack would go low enough to give them a shot again. Getting the weight to mid-shin and failing is definitely frustrating. Not really sure what to say other then keep hitting it hard and you'll get there. I like sumo pulling for BBB but I'm not sure that it's for everybody or even that useful yet, kind of an experiment for me.0 -
This last cycle I have been doing 5x10 at 270 for deadlifts on my squat day. It has definitely been kicking my *kitten* hard when I do that. I was able to get 365 off of the floor on 2 of the attempts that I made but was only able to get it to about mid shin so that's why I decided to throw in the rack pulls. On squat day I may just progress up to 365 again doing triples to see if I can get it. I think that most of the problem is mental because I didn't have any trouble at 355 last month. I was doing more sumos over the summer but decided to get back into doing the conventional DLs.
I could see that I may be going for too much in my BBB OHP sets. I will dial that down a bit and I can probably just use the DB for a bit and will add in some lat raises.
Hey, rack pulls definitely work for some folks so you should go for it. I wish our gym's rack would go low enough to give them a shot again. Getting the weight to mid-shin and failing is definitely frustrating. Not really sure what to say other then keep hitting it hard and you'll get there. I like sumo pulling for BBB but I'm not sure that it's for everybody or even that useful yet, kind of an experiment for me.
I may actually get back into doing more sumo. I think that it may actually work better for me with my height but I wanted to give conventional a try. I have been kinda tired at work recently but didn't want to make that an excuse so I will just try again and if it doesn't happen again I will probably give sumo another round.
What do you do for upper back?0
