Runners that need some nutritional accountability
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@shanaber I tried to get dd to shop with me. There’s a girl in one of my classes that always dresses nice. Maybe I should ask her to be my dd for a shopping afternoon. She would like some math tutoring...
I can’t seem to cook rice in my IP. It burns on the bottom. What’s your secret? I just use the rice cooker still. Which isn’t a problem, it cooks fast and can be portioned out on the side if someone doesn’t want the carbs.
Today’s food? Coffee. And more coffee. Baby bear said I needed to get up this morning at 5 with him. He finally seems to be getting the best of this cold and is back to some moderate blanket sucking,1 -
@Elise4270 - This is the recipe I loosely followed. I used frozen chicken breasts (4) and 1 1/2 cups of rice (misread the recipe oops).
https://www.365daysofcrockpot.com/?s=instant+pot+chicken+and+brown+rice
I have not tried to cook rice by itself so I don't know if it is because of the extra moisture from the chicken or what. My SIL cooks rice in hers all the time. They eat rice every day pretty much and that is all they ever cook in the IP. Not sure why they didn't just buy a rice cooker.
I am glad your baby bear is feeling better. I needed to get up this morning and Hobbes was having no part of that. Just wanted to curl up and snuggle. He hates the wind and it has been so bad!2 -
Mmmm. I’m making chicken and rice today!1
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Everyone locked and loaded for Halloween? We never know from year to year how many trick or treaters we’re going to get. One year it was hundreds, last year I think it was two groups. All the adults in the neighborhood ended up going door to door swapping candy so we had a variety.
I can’t generally eat much candy but save carbs for a piece or two. I also toasted all the pumpkin seeds! I do them with garam masala and sesame oil, they’re tasty that way. The bits from the pumpkin eyes and mouth are in the fridge waiting to be turned into turkey pumpkin black bean chili.
Waiting for trick-or-treaters!
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@rheddmobile - love that picture!
We bought candy that I put 'away' in the living room we rarely use. It was in plain sight but DH couldn't find it and was searching all the cupboards 🤣
Brother and sister-in-law bought candy, then decided they weren't going to hand any out so sent it all over too us. We used up all of their's and just a little of ours. We have so much candy left and I don't know what to do with it all. DH will definitely eat it all but he really does not need it.
Wasn't hungry today after my long dry, hot and windy run so I didn't eat enough. We did finish up the leftover ribs and potatoes tonight though.2 -
I never have trick or treaters. The fact that I live way out in the boonies AND I have a gate across my driveway that I keep locked just might have something to do with that.
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Mfp keeps crashing on me.. perhaps it’s a sign I should be doing something else...
No kids or candy here. I noticed someone set up an open metal cupboard downtown as a way to share items with the homeless folks. I have a simple jacket that’s too big. I think I'll drop it by there after picking up a few things. Thought perhaps Halloween candy and packaged applesauce, fruit cocktail and pull tab open beans, even cheese sticks might be a good food. Any ideas?
So, if ya have it and don’t need it, maybe you can give it away?
ETA ipad to laptop to avoid crashes
Today's food?
Dallas schlotzkeys.
lucky me, it seems my body is in tune with x ray day. The doc's must think I'm always hanging out with aunt flow.1 -
DH is in hospital with AFib. He's never had it before. It is really weird and we are waiting for cardiologist to come in to tell us something. His HR was going between about 130-175. But he never felt it. He just felt weak and so went to his doctor. They did an EKG and said to go to ER. In ER for many hours and they finally admitted him around 10pm.
They told us immediately he would be admitted but it took a long time for some reason.
I texted my neighbor what was going on and to sort of look out at our house.
Around 9pm I rushed home to handle our dog and saw 3 of the neighbors 4 kids coming home and told them to come to my house! I showed them the four huge bags of candy and said take what you want. They were thrilled. They are such a nice family. We call them the '70s family. They are always out playing ball and mom is a real hard *kitten* on them. She cuts the loan while smoking! She gets up really early to walk her dog and I see her around 5am when I run.
Anyway, back to hospital. DH does drink those stupid Red Bulls and the Doctor said that could cause it! He asked if DH drinks and how much. We mentioned that Saturday we did party quite a bit in Tampa and he said look up "Holiday Syndrome". Oops guilty.
DH lifts weights and cycles. He's not as intense as me but his heart has been good. I think it is the Red Bulls.
So I had lunch at 11:30 and then didn't eat anything until I went home to take care of dog. I was down a pound today. This morning I'm starving and had oatmeal and cereal and chips. Of course when you are in this situation nothing really matters about food. So whatever.
Luckily the hospital has wifi and I have my laptop because this is quite boring just waiting. I am a terrible nurse.
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Oh wow @ddmom0811, that is so scary! How is he doing this morning?
Did they check you out too?
The 1st time I was ever told I had a low HR was years ago when my DH thought he was having a heart attack and we went to the ER (he wasn't). They made me get checked because they had too many incidents where the spouse will have a problem because of the stress. Clearly I wasn't too stressed - my HR was like 42 and this was before I started running or lost weight.
I wish we had a family like that to give all of our candy to. We do have one with 7 kids across the street but she doesn't want all the candy either.
I am really hoping it is nothing more than the Red Bull and will have to look up Holiday Syndrome.1 -
@ddmom0811 hugs to you and dh! Hope it's nothing. I am impressed he went to his doc. I gotta tell mine 15 times then someone else had to tell him to go before he does.1
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@ddmom0811 I hope your DH is doing better today and they determine it is indeed the Red Bull. It bothers me so much when I see kids drink that stuff. Note: I just looked up Red Bull and the huge difference in it and coffee is that it contains Taurine which the article says is a naturally occurring stimulant, vital for some bodily functions, such as calcium signaling, antioxidation, cardiovascular functions, and musculoskeletal and retinal development. All of those thing, in excess, could be an issue, I would thing. ANYWAY, I do hope he is better and that is all it was and he can stop drinking it.0
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@ddmom0811 I hope you get good news and it was just a one time thing, sounds scary!0
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Thanks everyone! He is feeling much better as of a couple hours ago. I don’t think we will know if it was the Red Bull or too much partying (we seem to be reliving our youth in a not so smart way!). But his heart rate is staying below 100 and although still jumping it is at least a smaller range.
@shanaber no they didn’t check me out! I have this weird thing where I just think everyone and everything is going to be fine. So I must have appeared okay. Except when I left the room when they were taking all the blood.2 -
Meant to say we hope he gets released tomorrow.3
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If anyone has a comment or suggestion or advice, I welcome it...
My story: I have been running off and on for 3 years. I have a little guy and I started running daily early in the spring and I ran through the summer in 100 + degree days through the hottest part of the Texas day after my hubby came home from work to watch the baby. I was dripping buckets of sweat. I also would drink coffee, which is a diuretic, before runs. Well in July I started having heart palpitations and then I started feeling light headed and dizzy. Anxiety, mood swings and depression followed. I thought that I would take B12 since I almost never ate meat. Weeks later it still wasn't helping. Then I started with iron and same outcome... nothing. Then I started eating meat. Nothing was working. Then I saw people here discussing potassium and I had no clue, never even considered it. I started taking supplements and within a few days heart palpitations were lesser and dizzy spells subsided. It took several months to lose this mineral, I believe, and I'm still trying day by day to get better even though I feel completely normal and amazing compared to what I did. My husband said, "we have insurance and I'm not sure why you wouldn't see a doctor." Well I am stubborn, that's why and I'm a fixer of all that I can. Anyway...what do you do to keep potassium levels normal? The weather in Texas has cooled down, thank God. I cut back on the coffee. I'm watching my sodium and not dumping salt on all my food. I'm eating bananas and potatoes more often. I'm taking potassium supplements. I welcome anything anyone has to offer on this.1 -
If anyone has a comment or suggestion or advice, I welcome it...
My story: I have been running off and on for 3 years. I have a little guy and I started running daily early in the spring and I ran through the summer in 100 + degree days through the hottest part of the Texas day after my hubby came home from work to watch the baby. I was dripping buckets of sweat. I also would drink coffee, which is a diuretic, before runs. Well in July I started having heart palpitations and then I started feeling light headed and dizzy. Anxiety, mood swings and depression followed. I thought that I would take B12 since I almost never ate meat. Weeks later it still wasn't helping. Then I started with iron and same outcome... nothing. Then I started eating meat. Nothing was working. Then I saw people here discussing potassium and I had no clue, never even considered it. I started taking supplements and within a few days heart palpitations were lesser and dizzy spells subsided. It took several months to lose this mineral, I believe, and I'm still trying day by day to get better even though I feel completely normal and amazing compared to what I did. My husband said, "we have insurance and I'm not sure why you wouldn't see a doctor." Well I am stubborn, that's why and I'm a fixer of all that I can. Anyway...what do you do to keep potassium levels normal? The weather in Texas has cooled down, thank God. I cut back on the coffee. I'm watching my sodium and not dumping salt on all my food. I'm eating bananas and potatoes more often. I'm taking potassium supplements. I welcome anything anyone has to offer on this.
My potassium is actually on the high end since everything I eat is high in potassium. I recommend getting your levels tested instead of playing with supplements since the border between normal and too high is very small and too high will give you heartbeat irregularities. There are no medals given for being too stubborn to see a doctor! Do it for your family, they need you healthy.3 -
rheddmobile wrote: »If anyone has a comment or suggestion or advice, I welcome it...
My story: I have been running off and on for 3 years. I have a little guy and I started running daily early in the spring and I ran through the summer in 100 + degree days through the hottest part of the Texas day after my hubby came home from work to watch the baby. I was dripping buckets of sweat. I also would drink coffee, which is a diuretic, before runs. Well in July I started having heart palpitations and then I started feeling light headed and dizzy. Anxiety, mood swings and depression followed. I thought that I would take B12 since I almost never ate meat. Weeks later it still wasn't helping. Then I started with iron and same outcome... nothing. Then I started eating meat. Nothing was working. Then I saw people here discussing potassium and I had no clue, never even considered it. I started taking supplements and within a few days heart palpitations were lesser and dizzy spells subsided. It took several months to lose this mineral, I believe, and I'm still trying day by day to get better even though I feel completely normal and amazing compared to what I did. My husband said, "we have insurance and I'm not sure why you wouldn't see a doctor." Well I am stubborn, that's why and I'm a fixer of all that I can. Anyway...what do you do to keep potassium levels normal? The weather in Texas has cooled down, thank God. I cut back on the coffee. I'm watching my sodium and not dumping salt on all my food. I'm eating bananas and potatoes more often. I'm taking potassium supplements. I welcome anything anyone has to offer on this.
My potassium is actually on the high end since everything I eat is high in potassium. I recommend getting your levels tested instead of playing with supplements since the border between normal and too high is very small and too high will give you heartbeat irregularities. There are no medals given for being too stubborn to see a doctor! Do it for your family, they need you healthy.
Thank you for your response...and I will consider it...I appreciate what you said.0 -
@LoveyChar - I agree with @rheddmobile about getting it checked. There could be so many things going on that interact with each other. I had similar issues a while back and it really messed up my running and it ended up that I wasn't eating enough and was close to adrenal fatigue, organ damage and a hospital stay. Fortunately I had some tests and got to the root cause before it got worse.
Your potassium, calcium and sodium levels are all interconnected and having them out of balance in any way can be very serious.2 -
I have a question for the group.
Background:
I read a report on a study about people eating processed vs unprocessed foods that showed the processed foods group gaining 1lb while the unprocessed group lost a pound. The calories and macros (carbs, fiber, fat, protein, etc.) were set up to be exactly the same for both groups but the groups were allowed to eat as much of there assigned foods as they wanted. The processed foods group did eat more than the unprocessed group. While they don't know the underlying reasons for the differences the report alluded to the processing/additives in processed foods causing the difference in feeling full or craving/eating more food. They didn't say anything about activity levels.
Question:
What do you consider a processed food?
Is cheese (not talking velveeta here, real cheese like aged blue cheese or sharp cheddar)?
What about yogurt or cottage cheese?
And then there's bread - store bought or homemade?
Is anything that is a combination of two or more unprocessed foods then processed since they are somehow combined whether or not there are ingredients only included for mass production like preservatives?
I think I generally eat a pretty good diet (ignoring the occasional doughnut) but I do eat bread (natural organic sprouted wheats, etc.) homemade and store bought, as well as cheeses. Of course the protein bars and powders would be considered processed.0 -
...and the commonly overlooked magnesium. But professional medical advice is always the way to go.3
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I have a question for the group.
Background:
I read a report on a study about people eating processed vs unprocessed foods that showed the processed foods group gaining 1lb while the unprocessed group lost a pound. The calories and macros (carbs, fiber, fat, protein, etc.) were set up to be exactly the same for both groups but the groups were allowed to eat as much of there assigned foods as they wanted. The processed foods group did eat more than the unprocessed group. While they don't know the underlying reasons for the differences the report alluded to the processing/additives in processed foods causing the difference in feeling full or craving/eating more food. They didn't say anything about activity levels.
Question:
What do you consider a processed food?
Is cheese (not talking velveeta here, real cheese like aged blue cheese or sharp cheddar)?
What about yogurt or cottage cheese?
And then there's bread - store bought or homemade?
Is anything that is a combination of two or more unprocessed foods then processed since they are somehow combined whether or not there are ingredients only included for mass production like preservatives?
I think I generally eat a pretty good diet (ignoring the occasional doughnut) but I do eat bread (natural organic sprouted wheats, etc.) homemade and store bought, as well as cheeses. Of course the protein bars and powders would be considered processed.
I don't consider cheese a processed food. Some yogurt I would say is and some isn't (if it's JUST yogurt I'd say it's not processed). I think processed food is things we add extra stuff too, sugar and preservatives that aren't needed for flavor but rather to make it shelf-stable. I don't think its necessarily bad to eat processed food. I think it's eating TOO much of it (like anything else)1 -
I have a question for the group.
Background:
I read a report on a study about people eating processed vs unprocessed foods that showed the processed foods group gaining 1lb while the unprocessed group lost a pound. The calories and macros (carbs, fiber, fat, protein, etc.) were set up to be exactly the same for both groups but the groups were allowed to eat as much of there assigned foods as they wanted. The processed foods group did eat more than the unprocessed group. While they don't know the underlying reasons for the differences the report alluded to the processing/additives in processed foods causing the difference in feeling full or craving/eating more food. They didn't say anything about activity levels.
Question:
What do you consider a processed food?
Is cheese (not talking velveeta here, real cheese like aged blue cheese or sharp cheddar)?
What about yogurt or cottage cheese?
And then there's bread - store bought or homemade?
Is anything that is a combination of two or more unprocessed foods then processed since they are somehow combined whether or not there are ingredients only included for mass production like preservatives?
I think I generally eat a pretty good diet (ignoring the occasional doughnut) but I do eat bread (natural organic sprouted wheats, etc.) homemade and store bought, as well as cheeses. Of course the protein bars and powders would be considered processed.
Cheese gets a pass in my book. It's minimally processed. Homemade bread gets a pass because, hey roots. We do Dave's bread. It's the seemingly least evil premade bread. I try to limit it. It does have nuts and seeds which can be a migraine trigger.
Outside of those two, I think of processes foods being anything that has an ingredient I can't see.
Yogurt is a curious one. You can make it at home. It's not really a processed food is it? Milk is processed but it's like cheese, it's an old food. I think it gets a pass. I indulge in Noosa like a dessert. That one is probably more a treat and not a good choice yogurt like siggis was. So I think some yogurt is junk/processed because it yields little nutritional benefit and too much sugar.
I'd bet the causal factor in the study is that processed foods spike blood sugar, which cause crashes and that sends the brain in to "OMG! We're dying. Eat!" Which triggers ghrelin to be released (hunger hormone), and we're hungry again. The unprocessed foods, containg the same macros do not have that effect. You might be hungry again after eating a big bowl of green beans, but not in the way you'd be if you ate high glycemic index foods.
Just my theory based on limited understanding.
I ate too much pizza and laid on the couch all day.2 -
I have often believed in that connection between salt, fat and sugar (any 2 in combination or all 3) in processed foods that hit the triggers in our brain and make us crave more. Don't know about the science behind it though. There was a book a long time ago that talked about it.
The only yogurt I eat is the unflavored Greek yogurt from Costco. But I agree on the other yogurts... I like the Yasso yogurt bars but I am sure they would be up there with Noosa. They have added things like chocolate chips, flavors and sugar.
I didn't eat enough today but after all the stomach upset on my run I really wasn't hungry. I did manage to eat some pieces of donuts dh brought home after I recovered a bit from the run. Dinner was leftover chicken and rice and I ate about half.2 -
@LoveyChar - I agree with @rheddmobile about getting it checked. There could be so many things going on that interact with each other. I had similar issues a while back and it really messed up my running and it ended up that I wasn't eating enough and was close to adrenal fatigue, organ damage and a hospital stay. Fortunately I had some tests and got to the root cause before it got worse.
Your potassium, calcium and sodium levels are all interconnected and having them out of balance in any way can be very serious.
Thank you, I'm started to really worry (which may be a good thing)...1 -
@LoveyChar I agree with @shanaber and @rheddmobile. I think the safe thing to do is get checked out by a doctor. I know we don't want to be hypochondriacs, but we do need to get sound advice when things are going haywire with the heart or other important organs.0
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Here's an article I just found on Processed Foods. It's pretty interesting. Take a look and see what you think. https://www.cookinglight.com/eating-smart/smart-choices/what-are-processed-foods1
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Re: processed foods. As a type 2 diabetic I’ve found that processed foods spike my blood glucose more than the nutritional information would indicate. In particular there’s a whole class of “low carb” and “reduced carb” foods made for diabetics which simply don’t work. Mission low carb tortillas, I don’t know what evil those are made from, but they taste like sandpaper and spike my glucose as much or more than regular tortillas from the same company. Halo top spikes me more than the nutritional information would suggest, not as much as regular ice cream, but still. In the case of the mission tortillas the package information suggests that they stuck a bunch of cellulose in their dough and tried to subtract the calories for the added fiber from their carb count to get net carbs without counting the fiber in the first place. Ordinarily in natural food, fiber slows digestion of carbs and reduces glucose spikes, BECAUSE the fiber is wrapped around the carbs, as in an orange where the cell encloses the juice. It doesn’t work the same way if it’s just random added fiber floating next to the carbs.
On the other hand, whole foods such as steel cut oats, corn on the cob, potatoes, and fruit, even very sugary fruit such as oranges, don’t spike me nearly as much as the carb count would indicate.
Dave’s bread, since someone mentioned it, spikes me less than other breads but still badly enough that I’m limited to two thin sliced pieces. Most breads are the worst for me, with the only food that spikes me worse than bread being white rice.1 -
@LoveyChar - I know you don't want to hear it, but get tested! My daughter has been a vegetarian for about 5 years and she is also a runner. She had been feeling weak and got tested and her B12 was low. She had an incident with low potassium when she was in high school and because of that is careful with eating bananas. Having just spent 4 days in the hospital with my husband, who may not be here if he hadn't gone to the doctor last week, I say "go to the doctor!"
@shanaber - it's funny you asked about processed foods. I just read this while sitting in the hospital room: https://blog.usejournal.com/the-united-states-has-an-epidemic-of-processed-food-and-its-killing-us-bb3a9a9a0547
Hopefully the link works - I saw it on Medium which I pay a low fee for to access the articles.
I don't think I can give up processed foods like the author did. I also so an article about how many kids in UK and US are malnourished because they eat all processed foods!
I don't know the official definition of "processed foods" but maybe would say anything with an ingredient that isn't something that grows or produced form something that grows, is processed. I'm not giving up my chocolate milk!
Husband got home Sunday night and we both took yesterday off. I'm back at work and he's taking it easy the rest of this week although he feels good. He never felt the heart beat go so high in the first place. He only felt a little bad from the beginning. Hopefully his heart will go back to a normal rhythm and he can go off all these meds.
I felt like my weight should be way down after these last few days but I must have stuffed in more than I thought - because it's up.
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I also so an article about how many kids in UK and US are malnourished because they eat all processed foods!
Part of that problem, at least in the US, is food deserts. A lot of people only have access to processed food or they can't afford unprocessed foods. Downtown Phoenix just got it's first grocery store. Before that the option was CVS. There wasn't reliable public transport to get to actually grocery stores further in the suburbs. Many cities have similar issues. And rural areas have their own issues. There was a documentary done by Chef Tom Colicchio several years ago that really showed the issues with food deserts. I can't recall the name off the top of my head. Since then I've read multiple articles about the problem as well.
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Thanks for the articles @quilteryoyo and @ddmom0811. They were interesting and thought provoking and pretty much confirmed my suspicion that the definition of 'processed food' can vary greatly. I did like the simplified definition mentioned in the Women's Day article of ingredients being something you could make at home vs in a lab.
I think the other article is very interesting, not really new information and I did kind of feel like she was going overboard in some of her criticisms. I think that much of the food additives and processed foods started in the 50's when much of the current knowledge in how all of these things interact wasn't known or well understood and the effort was to make things easier and faster (think dishwashers, cake mixes and eventually microwaves). I don't think it is a broad based conspiracy to make us eat crappy food but over many years they have found the food combinations that people like and want more of - is it an addiction, maybe, with sugar, probably.
Yes, the food industry should make changes but won't until people start demanding those changes (starting to see that with many in the younger generations) but I also see
the food industry focus is to make money, so produce things cheaply (cheaper ingredients) to make them more affordable so more people will buy them. That is why it is so important to get people to buy and eat locally, have local gardens, and education on how and what to buy for the same or even less money, even if it takes a few minutes longer to prepare.
Oh and I also think the workshop at Hershey could have been an educational seminar. Yes they produce a ton of candy, but chocolate and cocoa have been around for thousands of years and used in all types of ways, medicinally and as a luxury drink for only the wealthiest... I am sure they weren't trying to tell nutritionists that having a Snickers bar is healthy. I know many nutritionists too and have never been given the impression that they all believe a calorie is just a calorie, actually much the contrary.
One interesting comment on what she said about sugar and sugar alcohol. I had a discussion a while back with my primary care doctor, not sure how it came up, on liver disease and in particular so called fatty liver and how the incident rate has exploded. I thought she was talking about adults (her specialty is geriatrics) but she said they were seeing it in people who drink little or have never drank alcohol and a huge increase in children! I asked my daughter about it and she said it has gone up especially in low income, high poverty areas - similar areas to what @RunsOnEspresso mentioned with no actual grocery stores. It is not so much of a thing in the rural areas though.
My dh and I had a good discussion on one of our drives about an article I had read regarding moving away from getting our food mostly at grocery stores and having community gardens and farms, even in cities, I think it was no more than 25 miles away, maybe 50. So you didn't harvest anything before it was ripe to ship it and nothing off season was brought in from other areas/countries, etc.. I wish I could find the article, they had examples of places in the US where they were actually implementing it. It actually is very much like where I grew up - we got veggies from our local farmers or our own garden and meat from the ranchers (or my dad hunting/fishing) and really only durable products from the grocery store.1
