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saltysailors wrote: »I'm a newbie (3 weeks) but I was told no booze. Alcohol has carbs and your body treats it differently....what gives?? I'm sooooo confused
@midwesterner85 - Can you shed some sober light on @saltysailors ' drunken dilemma?
I can answer that from a BG standpoint - it depends on what alcoholic beverage. Most all beers have carbs, though most hard liquors have less carbs than beer or no carbs at all. Don't even think about the carbs in ciders, and all of the alcoholic beverages with carbs will spike BG (except your body does treat alcohol differently.... see below).
Normally (when sober), a person's liver is releasing small amounts of glycogen to provide BG throughout the day (not just when exercising). Your liver can't multi-task to process alcohol AND release glycogen simultaneously. In fact, it may require glucose to process the alcohol, so some of us diabetics notice a drop in BG even when the alcohol we are consuming has carbs. Personally, I don't get that - my BG will spike if I consume beer, despite that my liver stops releasing glycogen.
The challenge for those of us on insulin, though, is that we have lost our natural ability to deal with hypoglycemia. So when my BG gets too low, it is common to release some glycogen. It may take a long time and I may be low for awhile... I once passed out and had a seizure when I lived alone and was unemployed, so nobody expected me to be anywhere. I ultimately woke up without any help because of a glycogen release. EMT's (or others if available) will sometimes give those who are hypoglycemic and unconscious (i.e. they cannot eat) a shot of glucagon, which will prompt a glycogen dump. That won't work when the patient is processing alcohol.
So in summary, alcohol with carbs will spike BG and prevent glycogen release... depending on various factors, that may spike BG or these things may cancel each other out. Alcohol without carbs will temporarily prevent glycogen release. A non-T1D will create insulin to deal with those BG spikes (this will be stored as fat).2 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »saltysailors wrote: »I'm a newbie (3 weeks) but I was told no booze. Alcohol has carbs and your body treats it differently....what gives?? I'm sooooo confused
@midwesterner85 - Can you shed some sober light on @saltysailors ' drunken dilemma?
I can answer that from a BG standpoint - it depends on what alcoholic beverage. Most all beers have carbs, though most hard liquors have less carbs than beer or no carbs at all. Don't even think about the carbs in ciders, and all of the alcoholic beverages with carbs will spike BG (except your body does treat alcohol differently.... see below).
Normally (when sober), a person's liver is releasing small amounts of glycogen to provide BG throughout the day (not just when exercising). Your liver can't multi-task to process alcohol AND release glycogen simultaneously. In fact, it may require glucose to process the alcohol, so some of us diabetics notice a drop in BG even when the alcohol we are consuming has carbs. Personally, I don't get that - my BG will spike if I consume beer, despite that my liver stops releasing glycogen.
The challenge for those of us on insulin, though, is that we have lost our natural ability to deal with hypoglycemia. So when my BG gets too low, it is common to release some glycogen. It may take a long time and I may be low for awhile... I once passed out and had a seizure when I lived alone and was unemployed, so nobody expected me to be anywhere. I ultimately woke up without any help because of a glycogen release. EMT's (or others if available) will sometimes give those who are hypoglycemic and unconscious (i.e. they cannot eat) a shot of glucagon, which will prompt a glycogen dump. That won't work when the patient is processing alcohol.
So in summary, alcohol with carbs will spike BG and prevent glycogen release... depending on various factors, that may spike BG or these things may cancel each other out. Alcohol without carbs will temporarily prevent glycogen release. A non-T1D will create insulin to deal with those BG spikes (this will be stored as fat).
Thanks for the in depth explaination! I am not diabetic, but since I am trying to get rid of fat, not store more....I'll stay away from the alcohol until I am at goal weight and on maintenance for a while3 -
Sticky rice. Dang it.0
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According to Ketogenicdiet.org...
"How does alcohol affect ketosis?
"Alcohol does have an impact on weight loss through a ketogenic diet, even when you drink low carb or carb free alcoholic beverages. This is because the body can use alcohol as a source of fuel. It isn’t stored as glycogen, like carbs, so once it is burned off you will go straight back into ketosis, however this does mean you are losing some fat burning time when you drink. How much this affects your weight loss varies between individuals. Some people find their weight loss stalls if they drink anything alcoholic, whereas others find they can drink responsible amounts of wine, hard liquor or a low carb beer (they do exist) and keep losing weight."1 -
RowdysLady wrote: »Hmmm....I bet there's a low carb stuffing out there...I've already made low carb gravy by subbing real flour for coconut or almond. Almond makes the gravy a little grainy but tasty. I have to experiment with stuffing and start now so I can post a recipe that's fabulous come the holidays.
I feel like this could be easily broken down and used as a stuffing: ruled.me/low-carb-focaccia-bread/0 -
I had a chocolate lunch snack bar last night. It wasn't even any good. Shouldn't have bothered. LOL3
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dmariet116 wrote: »According to Ketogenicdiet.org...
"How does alcohol affect ketosis?
"Alcohol does have an impact on weight loss through a ketogenic diet, even when you drink low carb or carb free alcoholic beverages. This is because the body can use alcohol as a source of fuel. It isn’t stored as glycogen, like carbs, so once it is burned off you will go straight back into ketosis, however this does mean you are losing some fat burning time when you drink. How much this affects your weight loss varies between individuals. Some people find their weight loss stalls if they drink anything alcoholic, whereas others find they can drink responsible amounts of wine, hard liquor or a low carb beer (they do exist) and keep losing weight."
Perhaps, I'll get to this point at some time.....but for now I'll just stay away form it completely1 -
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Ate a pint of So Delicious No Sugar Added Coconut Ice Cream.
Not horrible - 20g net carbs for the whole thing. But it does throw my carb count up (I'm usually 25g net per day) and I measured out a serving and ate it.
Then I grabbed the rest of the pint and ate it all. Ugh...0 -
samanthaluangphixay wrote: »Ate a pint of So Delicious No Sugar Added Coconut Ice Cream.
Not horrible - 20g net carbs for the whole thing. But it does throw my carb count up (I'm usually 25g net per day) and I measured out a serving and ate it.
Then I grabbed the rest of the pint and ate it all. Ugh...
At least it was a pint, and not a half gallon? :-o3 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »samanthaluangphixay wrote: »Ate a pint of So Delicious No Sugar Added Coconut Ice Cream.
Not horrible - 20g net carbs for the whole thing. But it does throw my carb count up (I'm usually 25g net per day) and I measured out a serving and ate it.
Then I grabbed the rest of the pint and ate it all. Ugh...
At least it was a pint, and not a half gallon? :-o
Thank you for your 'there is always a silver lining' attitude. Appreciate it!2 -
RowdysLady wrote: »Entire bag of sugar alcohol laden sugar free hershey special dark....so I didn't eat the homemade cookies
Try real dark chocolate like Green & Black's 86% or Lindt. You'll find it's actually less carbs than the sugar free stuff and no artificial sweetener. It's a real food that you don't have to feel bad about. It's still to be controlled of course, but even a binge on that wouldn't be nearly as bad as the artificial stuff.
If that's too dark for you, the 70% will still be less carbs than Hershey's.5 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »RowdysLady wrote: »Hmmm....I bet there's a low carb stuffing out there...I've already made low carb gravy by subbing real flour for coconut or almond. Almond makes the gravy a little grainy but tasty. I have to experiment with stuffing and start now so I can post a recipe that's fabulous come the holidays.
I feel like this could be easily broken down and used as a stuffing: ruled.me/low-carb-focaccia-bread/
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Pizza pizza el supremo pizza.
Delicious and only about 1000 carbs.
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bag of pretzel chips.
carb hangover
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I ate a *kitten* ton of pork rinds yesterday. I had cravings something fierce. You know, hormonal?1
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But pork rinds not so high in carbs!
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OMG! The carb devil is working at Danone's R&D! I just had oikos greek yogurt with coffee, 18.8 carbs and very sweet but sooooo good! That's most of my carbs for the day gone.
Why, oh why was I shopping before lunch? The way to deal with the carb devil is to never have carbs at home and the way to never buy carbs is to always shop after eating! Must get someone to eat the other 3 in the pack!
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@KetoGirl83 At least it has 6 g fiber although I know this forum's rules are to count total carbs. I bet it was pretty delish.
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Going to the cottage this weekend to eat fresh caught bass. Not many carbs there.
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