We should do another "Meativore May."
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Thanks. Fit_goat had said " I can post about why later", so that's what I was looking for. I have my own goals, but I thought there might be more to it (hence, more motivation).0
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food_lover16 wrote: »@FIT_Goat fascinating blog. Were you pretty close to your goal weight? I see that you lost about 10 pds, but I was wondering if that got you to your goal weight.... as in, you were't far from what you wanted to be and it got you there compared to being 50+ pounds away from your goal.
Most of the time, the more weight you have to lose the easier it comes off when you start a diet and the closer you are to your healthy weight, the longer your body holds onto those few extra pounds.
I was heavier than I wanted to be. I think I was near a 29 bmi at the start. And I finished near a 27. I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but my weight was/is pretty stable around a 28 bmi when eating just meat. I certainly don't get below 25, which I am not really trying for anyway.
It wasn't like where I started low carb, a BMI of 36 to 38. The weight comes off faster when that overweight. But it still comes off when closer.
As a man, I don't think 28 is a bad bmi. It used to be the male cutoff for being overweight, before it was decided to make it 25 for everyone.0 -
food_lover16 wrote: »What do you do for tracking/goals on the food? do you just make sure you stay 5g or less on the dairy/seasoning carbs and make sure you hit your protein minimum and then listen to hunger cues after that(WIP for me on the hunger cues). Does it depend on what point you are - maintenance compared to losing ?
I don't track. I should, for this month, but normally I don't. I eat what I want that fits my diet. I don't eat enough dairy or seasoning to go above 5g. I know that mostly from experience from when I did log. I will log, once in a while, if I have a lot of dairy. That is just to be sure I keep it sane.2 -
Fit Goat: Does this type of diet affect cholesterol levels that you are aware of? Thanks for being so informative.
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Fit Goat: Does this type of diet affect cholesterol levels that you are aware of? Thanks for being so informative.
I give blood all the time. My average, non-fasted, cholesterol is 187. That's even after eating a full pound of 75%/25% ground beef. I have numbers going back years, from when I was fat through everything up to this point. My total cholesterol has been remarkably steady. I don't have all the other lipid number, from such a time, but when I have had numbers drawn on this diet everything has been great.
I know my trigs and HDL (the two biggest numbers I am concerned with) are great. I don't know if they were always as good as they are now, or if they improved. In short, I don't believe there is any great effect due to this way of eating. If there is any, it is probably beneficial at least when it comes to ratios of types.2 -
ruthlessflower wrote: »Okay I want to convince my husband to try this. So literally, it's nothing but bacon, beef, chicken and some more bacon for a month? No sides?
Yeah, no side dishes. Unless you want some bacon or fried/poached egg(s) as a side. You adapt pretty quickly to just having one thing on your plate.2 -
Thanks FG0
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Did we ever get a “why” for doing this? I think I am going to do it for at least 2 weeks. I’m on my 4th week of keto, past the keto flu, but don’t feel like I am nutritional ketosis – breath is fine, energy is blah-ish (normal) but not bad, weight loss has stalled (which is fine, doing this for the energy, feeling satiated and to - hopefully - help with neurological disease, mainly). Maybe this will give me a boost into NK. I am going to have coconut oil because I have so much of it and won’t spend any more money on oils/fats until it’s gone. I AM going to try to cut out my raw cacao – I’m assuming it’s not allowed – and stevia because I think stevia is a bit overrated . . . at least for me - cravings-wise, and not reaching NK.
Why. That's the big question. Lots of people have different reasons. The potential reasons, listed below, are not comprehensive.- Curiosity
This was a big motivator for me. I read the Fat of the Land and was curious about whether or not I could do it. Was it all BS? Wouldn't I get scurvy? I know it says I won't, but people can lie. I wanted to see for myself. - Unresolved digestive issues
I suffered, my whole life, with digestive issues. It was to the point where I didn't even recognize that I had issues. I just assumed it was "normal" or at least "normal for me." Everyone has cramping pains from eating. Everyone's gut gurgles and growls all the time. Everyone farts constantly. Everyone has extreme swings in the consistency of their waste. Everyone spends hours in the bathroom each day. - Extreme Sensitivity to Carbs
Atkin's original plan recognized that people have varying levels of carb tolerance. He started people at zero grams, and slowly moved them up 5 grams at a time until they stopped losing weight. For some people, any attempt to move up would lead to issues, and they would discover that any amount of carbs caused issues with weight loss.
This is something I still stress. If you're not losing weight, if you can't eat without tracking because you overeat, the first "correction" you should attempt would be to cut the carbs down even more. It wouldn't be to accept that you just need to track forever. - Simplicity
No need to track, no need to weigh, no need to meal plan, etc. You eat meat and you just find things get simple really fast. Your desire for sweets and snacks will eventually subside. The longer you do it, the easier it becomes. You find that your energy is level and you don't ever feel like you are starving. There might be times when you know you're hungry, but you aren't ravenous. - To prove FIT-Goat wrong
This was a motivation for a couple people the last time around. They thought I was an idiot and that this wouldn't work. The biggest group jumped in during the Ad Libitum (eat to hunger without restriction) experiment and stuck around to test this one out too. Maybe you'll eat this way and it will not work. You'll be able to say you tried it and didn't like it. - Health
Eating this way tends to positively benefit your health. You'll find your body finally running correctly on the right fuel for it. Your whole life of eating has been like pouring vodka in your car's gas tank, wondering why things don't run right, and now you're going to try ethanol-free gasoline. You'll see how things were meant to run. - Ultimate Removal Diet
You've removed all (well almost all) possible things causing issues. You can get a real baseline, and see how you react as you add things back in. - Weight normalization
Yeah, you will probably lose fat, if you're over-fat. You'll probably gain some weight, if you're underweight. You'll approach a healthy weight for your body. - Other random side effects
My seasonal allergies vanished. Maybe it was coincidence, but I was taking daily allergy meds before eating like this, and now I am off them without symptoms. No migraines. Although, to be fair, my migraines had resolved with keto. No stinky tonsil stones, also had already improved dramatically from keto but vanished since meat-only. Increased heat tolerance? This one might be in my head, but I just never seem to be bothered by the heat unless it's really extreme.
That's just off the top of my head. There's probably more. It's worth trying.6 - Curiosity
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I'm getting excited for this but one question, since I'm technically still a T2D, is there anything I should be looking for in terms of over eating protein (if this truly is an issue, I have my doubts)?0
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I'm getting excited for this but one question, since I'm technically still a T2D, is there anything I should be looking for in terms of over eating protein (if this truly is an issue, I have my doubts)?
For one month, I would not worry about it. If, after a month, you are having issues with cravings or blood sugar swings, then yes. Do you check your BGL? If so, monitor it and see if there's a problem. There most likely won't be.1 -
I'm in (but gonna start a week early)!!
Can I include Mayo, milk and cream as well as the egg and minimal cheese ? They do come from an animal.
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I have been reading through this thread and I find it interesting and intriguing. I'm not sure I'll join just yet, I'm still adapting to LCHF, being only 18 days back at it. I didn't think I was having any issues with veggies/fiber. I have been having a side of veggies with my dinner each day. It varies from green beans, asparagus, coleslaw, broccoli, lettuce salad, etc. I haven't had any issues with that amount . Last night I made a taco salad, green leaf/ spinach mix, half tomato, guacamole, homemade salsa then there was taco meat and cheese. I have felt bloated and crampy last night and still this morning.
It may be a fluke or coincidence or maybe I just never paid close enough attention and didn't connect the dots. So now I'm leaning towards at least trying. It just feels so strange to not have a vegetable with my dinner. I feel like a naughty child! Haha! I can for sure do this for 10 days, but we are leaving to visit my daughter and her family for 6 days and it may be near impossible to stick with it while there. My daughter already thinks I'm nuts following LCHF.0 -
welsh_cake wrote: »I'm in (but gonna start a week early)!!
Can I include Mayo, milk and cream as well as the egg and minimal cheese ? They do come from an animal.
All of these can be eaten.0 -
Just in case... here is a link for you meat eaters: https://goo.gl/oMBqIP0
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Just in case... here is a link for you meat eaters: https://goo.gl/oMBqIP
I wonder if this is same Miralax that cavemen ate? Or the Inuit?2 -
Did we ever get a “why” for doing this? I think I am going to do it for at least 2 weeks. I’m on my 4th week of keto, past the keto flu, but don’t feel like I am nutritional ketosis – breath is fine, energy is blah-ish (normal) but not bad, weight loss has stalled (which is fine, doing this for the energy, feeling satiated and to - hopefully - help with neurological disease, mainly). Maybe this will give me a boost into NK. I am going to have coconut oil because I have so much of it and won’t spend any more money on oils/fats until it’s gone. I AM going to try to cut out my raw cacao – I’m assuming it’s not allowed – and stevia because I think stevia is a bit overrated . . . at least for me - cravings-wise, and not reaching NK.
Why. That's the big question. Lots of people have different reasons. The potential reasons, listed below, are not comprehensive.- Weight normalization
Yeah, you will probably lose fat, if you're over-fat. You'll probably gain some weight, if you're underweight. You'll approach a healthy weight for your body.
Probably? This is something I'm worried about because I am still quite obese and was just getting back to keto. Will this have an adverse effect?0 - Weight normalization
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Lol @Sunny_Bunny_ ! Exactly!Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Just in case... here is a link for you meat eaters: https://goo.gl/oMBqIP
I wonder if this is same Miralax that cavemen ate? Or the Inuit?
This poster really seems to have am issue with zero carb. My two cents, if I wanted said information, I would've asked lol Don't got nothing nice to say, don't say it AND don't knock it till u try it!
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Just in case... here is a link for you meat eaters: https://goo.gl/oMBqIP
"Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/
Removing fiber fixes constipation, it doesn't cause it.-1 -
DarlingNikki2011 wrote: »Did we ever get a “why” for doing this? I think I am going to do it for at least 2 weeks. I’m on my 4th week of keto, past the keto flu, but don’t feel like I am nutritional ketosis – breath is fine, energy is blah-ish (normal) but not bad, weight loss has stalled (which is fine, doing this for the energy, feeling satiated and to - hopefully - help with neurological disease, mainly). Maybe this will give me a boost into NK. I am going to have coconut oil because I have so much of it and won’t spend any more money on oils/fats until it’s gone. I AM going to try to cut out my raw cacao – I’m assuming it’s not allowed – and stevia because I think stevia is a bit overrated . . . at least for me - cravings-wise, and not reaching NK.
Why. That's the big question. Lots of people have different reasons. The potential reasons, listed below, are not comprehensive.- Weight normalization
Yeah, you will probably lose fat, if you're over-fat. You'll probably gain some weight, if you're underweight. You'll approach a healthy weight for your body.
Probably? This is something I'm worried about because I am still quite obese and was just getting back to keto. Will this have an adverse effect?
Weight and health are related, but not directly. This diet tends to fix the most critical issues first. If weight is your most critical issue (likely if you are really obese), it will be one of the first things to change. If you're just a little chubby with severe metabolic syndrome, insufficient muscles, and weak bones than the extra adipose tissue is not a priority. It would be like watering your plants while the house burns down.
The more overweight you are, the more likely you will lose. In any case, a month is almost no time at all. If you don't lose as much as you want, you haven't really set yourself back or lost much time.3 - Weight normalization
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Please do not start this crap (
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I was never constipated one single day in the 1.5 YEARS I was keto. I really didn't ever have more than 10g fiber in a day EVER. If I even got that high. I can't imagine eliminating that small amount would make things any worse. Before I went keto, I had IBS-C. Since I've gone to plain low-carb, I must keep the magnesium and probiotics up or I have trouble with it again.
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PaulaJSchiller wrote: »I can for sure do this for 10 days, but we are leaving to visit my daughter and her family for 6 days and it may be near impossible to stick with it while there. My daughter already thinks I'm nuts following LCHF.
Doing it for a short period of time can backfire. You end up reaching the point where you are so sick of the meat that you stop doing it, and then you remain convinced that you're not able to do it. A month is past that point, periods of a week to two weeks are right in that window. That's something that Stefansson talked about a lot; how people would probably have given up meat if given the change early in the process, although none would who had done it 6 months or longer.
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Just in case... here is a link for you meat eaters: https://goo.gl/oMBqIP
"Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/
Removing fiber fixes constipation, it doesn't cause it.
For some maybe. My personal experience is it causes terrible constipation. And I am not alone. Many people complain about constipation on low carb. If you don't account for this for some people you are doing great harm. The gastro doctor actually told me you can still do low carb, just use Miralax if you need it.
A lot of people here recommend just taking more magnesium. This is horrible advice as well. If someone has CKD they can't eliminate it and can overdose. This can cause coma and death. Check it out. If you have CKD ask your doctor.
I better keep my mouth shut or appear stupid? Nice. Very nice for a moderator. Maybe you should try to be unbiased and less opinionated. And keep your mouth shut or remove all doubt too.0 -
Miralax isn't fiber either, btw. MiraLAX® contains polyethylene glycol 3350, which is an osmotic laxative drug product used to treat occasional constipation.0
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And I wasn't being rude injecting into your meat party. I was trying to be kind and helpful for those who follow this path and get all stopped up and grumpy. I'm sure of one thing. No fiber makes people opinionated, cranky and full of you know what.0
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Just in case... here is a link for you meat eaters: https://goo.gl/oMBqIP
"Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/
Removing fiber fixes constipation, it doesn't cause it.
For some maybe. My personal experience is it causes terrible constipation. And I am not alone. Many people complain about constipation on low carb. If you don't account for this for some people you are doing great harm. The gastro doctor actually told me you can still do low carb, just use Miralax if you need it.
A lot of people here recommend just taking more magnesium. This is horrible advice as well. If someone has CKD they can't eliminate it and can overdose. This can cause coma and death. Check it out. If you have CKD ask your doctor.
I better keep my mouth shut or appear stupid? Nice. Very nice for a moderator. Maybe you should try to be unbiased and less opinionated. And keep your mouth shut or remove all doubt too.
Low carb is NOT carnivore. Even Keto is NOT carnivore. There are plenty of constipation-causing, fiber-filled foods that are acceptable in keto and low-carb diets. There's also a tendency to overload on cheese and other binding foods. I am not going to try to be unbiased and less opinionated in an area where I do know what I am talking about and you're stirring up stuff in.
I do not need to tolerate or accept bad or misleading information just because I am a moderator (not even a moderator / just a group Leader) and you think that prohibits me from speaking my mind.Miralax isn't fiber either, btw. MiraLAX® contains polyethylene glycol 3350, which is an osmotic laxative drug product used to treat occasional constipation.
Do you routinely recommend drugs to large groups of strangers on the internet?And I wasn't being rude injecting into your meat party. I was trying to be kind and helpful for those who follow this path and get all stopped up and grumpy. I'm sure of one thing. No fiber makes people opinionated, cranky and full of you know what.
It's best that you move along and post in threads where your opinion is wanted. I don't post in vegetarian threads. You clearly have issues with the way I eat. It's popped up in other threads and areas. Just move along.3 -
welsh_cake wrote: »...Mayo
... come from an animal.
wut? Only like 10% of mayo is the egg, the rest is oil.
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welsh_cake wrote: »...Mayo
... come from an animal.
wut? Only like 10% of mayo is the egg, the rest is oil.
ahhhh...but if you make your own and use bacon fat.....
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welsh_cake wrote: »...Mayo
... come from an animal.
wut? Only like 10% of mayo is the egg, the rest is oil.
I meant derived from animal based products, of which egg is (even if only about 10%)
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