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  • StephieWillcox
    StephieWillcox Posts: 627 Member
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    Aigre - for lower body I have tried a few difference ones:
    - RFESS
    - RDL's
    - single leg press
    - back extensions

    I haven't ever tried to hip thrust before!!! I think I should, I just can't figure out how to get it set up at the gym

    Upper body I've done:
    - Tricep pushdowns
    - Bicep curls
    - Lateral raises
    - Push ups

    I think I would benefit from more rowing and work on my back so I think I am going to add in some hangs or something

    I am also in that weird place where I may compete at some point, but it's not definitely going to happen, and I have little interest in doing pure bodybuilding splits. There must be a program out there for us. One of us should just hire @Sidesteel to put it together for us :)

    Dawn - I love your overloads, I'm going to try this one day when squats feel terrible. A co-worker of mine told me that if it's feeling super heavy just do a walkout with even heavier weight and then take it off and try your reps again
  • jo_marnes
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    Hey everyone is doing so well!

    Thanks for the site Stephie - looks like a valuable resource.

    I'm still here reading and rehabbing lol. Back is going ok. Am up to about 70% of my max on DLs again.... but it's slow progress. Especially pulling traditional rather than sumo.

    Squats - well..... also slow progress. But improvement noted

    Bench - ugh. Has not been the focus and made the mistake of looking back at my training logs - weaker than December :'( Crap. Spent a lot of time with physio loosening my pecs to fix my back and appear to have lost strength. Sulk. Always something!
  • AigreDoux
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    Jo - glad to see you! Slow progress is still progress! Did you get your trainer/coach situation sorted out?

    Stephie - good info! Yeah, Strong/NROLFW came closest to aligning with my goals, which I THINK are, in order of importance, to 1) stay healthy, 2) get stronger for functional reasons, 3) keep myself interested, 3) make progress in order to help achieve #1, #2, and #3, and 4) look better than before. I didn't list "win a powerlifting meet" or "become a bodybuilder" or "make the fastest progress possible" or "get jacked", KWIM?

    A lot of my annoyances may be in the presentation rather than the actual programming, but it always makes me bristle a bit when it's clear the author thinks the only people interested in the program are young and male. Even Mark Ripptoe's stuff is called "the art of manliness". Why can't a lifting website be about womanliness without being only about glutes??

    Anyway.

    The program I'm doing now has lots of row variations, and I do feel like my back needs the extra work. My favorites are the DB row and the inverted row. If I had a real landmine some of the others may be cool though (T bar row, meadow row).

    I had forgotten back extensions but I do like those a lot. Hip thrusts aren't difficult to set up but I would be super self conscious doing that in a public gym :)

    If I have a chance today I may print out the Candito templates and figure out somewhat of a plan for the optional accessories.

    Did my OHP deload this morning:
    OHP - 3x5@18 kg. I'm changing to kg for my upper body barbell lifts :) I didn't warm up. This was still pretty easy.
    Lateral raises - 4x10@8lbs dbs
    Scrape the rack press - 4x8@15 kg (see, kg!)
    Reverse curls - 5x10@somewhere around 22-24 lbs, I think
    Rear lateral raise - 4x12@8 lbs dbs
    Incline hammer curls - 4x10@10 lbs dbs
    Front raise - 4x10@8 lbs dbs
  • DawnEmbers
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    Aigre - Good point. A lot of the programs can be run by both but it's rather clear they have more of a focus to a specific gender audience.


    I'm a little behind as I went to the gym Thursday but had no tech with me, didn't even have my cell phone, and it was a really long day. Was near work before 11 am but my shift started at 3 pm, so I did the bench workout then walked on the treadmill for an hour. Then went to starbucks and tried to study. The book has really long chapters so even with having over an hour where I studied (I also did a little novel writing in a notebook) I hadn't even made it through a single chapter. Need to finish that chapter in fact, as it's a long one on nonsterile compounding. Then I worked, which was fine except they didn't have someone for Wine&Spirits, which meant instead of using my time not at the smaller store where I was working thur-fri, I got nothing done, spent the whole shift cashiering and had to stay till 11:30pm. Yesterday morning, I worked at the other store at 9 am and it takes over an hour to get there from my apartment. No gym though as sister's internship has included help set up an art exhibit that opened last night. So, once she finally made it even after the pharmacy had closed and I waited outside for a while, we went to the 14th Factory for the exhibit opening.

    So, thursday's workout was:
    bench 2x10 @ 45, 2x10 @ 75
    close grip pause bench 2x6 @ 65 - supposed to do 10 reps but can't quite get there
    incline bench - 2x10 @ 55
    tried lat pulldown to check on my shoulder, still a slight ache, 1x6 @ 55
    leg raises (attempt at ab work) 2x8 @ bw, shoulder had a tiny ache


    Today should be deadlifts and shoulders, since I didn't go to the gym yesterday. Then lots of studying because next class is on Tuesday instead of Wednesday. Only 2 classes left then it's study more on own and sign up for the test.
  • DawnEmbers
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    Went to the gym to attempt some deadlifts. Took a long time as I had to wait for a rack to open up, which ended up with me using the space before it and someone else used the rack since I wasn't doing squats. Beyond that, had someone also in that area used the tbar thing and at one point someone right behind me using the battle ropes. Got a bit crowded but still made it through. Tried the lat pull down at a lightish weight and had a tiny bit of pain but managed.


    deadlift 2x8 @ 135, 1x10 @ 165 and 1x10 @ 185
    stiff leg deadlift on step 2x8 @ 135
    yates row 2x8 @ 75
    wide grip lat pulldown 2x10 @ 60
    one arm db row 2x10 @ 27.5
    treadmill for 30 minutes at 3.0 incline


    Now for some writing and studying. Want to film a protein bar taste test but roommate is home so not sure I'll get the privacy or anything to do that, so we'll see.
  • jo_marnes
    jo_marnes Posts: 1,601 Member
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    DawnEmbers wrote: »
    Went to the gym to attempt some deadlifts. Took a long time as I had to wait for a rack to open up, which ended up with me using the space before it and someone else used the rack since I wasn't doing squats.

    Why do you DL in a rack?

    Met some people from a new club yesterday (coaches). TOTALLY different perspective on training than my current club. I'm going to give them a go, despite being very hesitant about getting my 4th coach in 6 months!!! However, I have actually reviewed a lot of things and have had NO progress in 6 mths and I've realised I need to ENJOY my training more. Hoping a new way of thinking will help. Will commit to 12 week program and then at least I'll probably be able to compare between the two.

    Sigh. I'll get there eventually
  • AigreDoux
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    Jo - would love to know more about the different approaches between the clubs/trainers. I'm actually impressed there are so many choices! I live in a fairly big metro area and don't think there is even one powerlifting club to join. A few Olympic weightlifting gyms turn up on a google search and one powerlifting gym about an hour away. Hmpf.

    Dawn - 10 deadlifts at 185, wow!

    Yesterday was deadlift day:
    Deadlift - 1x5@103 lbs, 3x5@115 lbs
    Inverted rows - 5x8
    Chin ups - 10x1@1" band. My smallest assistance, these were tough. But when I bought the band I wasn't able to do any. So progress!
    Meadow rows - 5x12
    Cable rows - resistance band, 4x12
    DB rows - 4x12@17.5 lbs

    That ends the deload and I'm up for 1RM tests next week.

    Today I got up and ran 5 miles. It was only 8 degrees. Super chilly. We're supposed to get hit with a giant snow storm this week. So not looking forward to that. I'm done with winter.
  • DawnEmbers
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    jo_marnes wrote: »
    Why do you DL in a rack?

    The area to DL is right in front of the rack. At this location there are 3 along the wall for squats/deadlift/etc. But for most of the gyms I have deadlifted near the rack because that's the bar the gyms have available for it and the spot where the padding is located on the floor. They don't have a designated deadlift location on its own or a platform.

    Aigre - Thanks. Will be nice when it's not so many reps though. Definitely prefer my deadlifts in the 1-5 rep range.


    Today I combined upper accessory with shoulder day though skipped a couple of things on each one. Had time since switched shifts with a coworker and don't go in until 3 pm, so went to the gym earlier than usual. Not as crowded as yesterday.

    10 minute warm up on elliptical
    Push Press 2x10 @ 45 and 2x8 @ 65
    wide grip bench press 2x10 @ 45 and 2x10 @ 55
    db side lat raise 2x10 @ 10
    bent over db raise 2x10 @ 5
    tricep pushdown 3x12 @ 60 - had slight ache
    face pull 2x12 @ 60
    25 minute walk on treadmill, 20 min 3.0 incline on 3 speed

    Felt the pain a tiny bit in the tricep pushdown. Might have been more of a tricep issue than shoulder, hard to say for sure. Still it's much better than a week ago. And this is the end of the first official week in the 10 week program cycle. 1 down, 9 more to go and looking forward to the lowering of reps per set as I go forward with this one.
  • StephieWillcox
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    Someone walked into my bar as I was squatting today.

    There are not enough expletives in the world.

    I did the rest of my squats, but when I went to do my deadlifts I felt something in my back that obviously got messed up with smacking into him on my descent :(

    I hate other people

    Squats: 3 x 6 @ 60kg - i hit the guy on the second rep of the last set
    Deadlifts 2 x 4 @ 80kg, planned to be 6 but couldn't get it

    No accessories, just came back to work to be annoyed at that guy and hope that my back is alright
  • AigreDoux
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    Stephie - sorry about your back, WTF was he thinking? Or just not looking where he was going? I have whacked the bar on the treadmill before, usually during lunges though so at a lighter weight. It is so disconcerting though!

    Dawn - nice workout, how long did that take? Multiple exercises always seem to take me so long.

    Today I tested my 1RM on incline bench.
    Incline bench - 1x5@15kg, 1x5@20 kg, 1x3@25 kg, 1x1@29 kg, 1x1@32 kg, 1x0@35 kg, 1x1@34 kg. So 1RM of 34 kg (74.8 lbs)! I maybe could have gotten 35 kg if I had done the 34 kg first, I was close but just got stuck about halfway up. Next time.

    Was pretty pleased with this considering my estimated 1RM at the beginning of this cycle was 70 lbs and I had never actually lifted that. I haven't done flat bench in a while and not in a long long time at heavy weights, so I think I'll be using this in my calculations for the program I do next.

    Decline bench - 5x6@25kg. For the first 3 sets thought it was 20kg and couldn't figure out why it felt so heavy. Then decided to just go with it.
    Narrow grip DB BP - 5x6@20 lbs dbs
    DB flys - 4x8@10 lbs dbs
    Overhead tricep press - 4x12@10 lbs

    Overall, my arms feel fried. Stuck home today in a giant snowstorm, so that probably wasn't the best idea considering I'll need to shovel later on!
  • jo_marnes
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    Aigre - great! Bench is so slow to progress so you've done great. Why incline though? Out of curiosity. Flat will give you bigger numbers :-)

    Stephie - wtf? Not cool. Good effort on finishing the set.... hope your back is ok.

    In breaking news.... I MAY have fixed my squat. Holy crap. 6 mths of tweaking and finally the tip which has made a huge difference.... LOOK UP. Why did no one say this before? When I look up, my chest stays up and depth is not an issue. Even managed reps at 50kg in the low bar position so my shoulder is getting heaps better at holding it there. And the actual squat is easy. Now I just need to get stronger in the back for the low bar and I'm going to start crushing some heavy squats.... wooohoooooo
  • DawnEmbers
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    Aigre - Thanks. I don't remember the exact time but it didn't take too long since didn't have to wait much. Usually less than an hour if not standing around. Nice job benching.

    Jo - oooo You can do it!

    Squat Day

    squats 2x10 @ 45, 1x10 @ 95, 1x8 @ 135 and 2x8 @ 155
    overload 235 for 20 count
    good morning 3x10 @ 95
    pause squat 2x5 @ 95
    leg extensions 2x12 @ 55

    Had class this morning then work. Went to the gym after and got most done but had to skip a couple of things since didn't feel like waiting for accessories. I'll have time at the gym tomorrow to do them. Now to maybe get a little fiction writing done.
  • AigreDoux
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    Dawn - nice squats!

    Jo - so happy for you that you found the cause of the issues! Incline just cause the program I was working through was more of a body building emphasis I think. Probably to get a little more shoulder involvement. But yeah, I'm going to switch back to flat at this point and see what progress I can make there. I haven't done heavy flat BP since the middle of Strong, so maybe 8-9 months ago. I did some in Strong Curves, but IIRC sets of 10-12. So it will be interesting to see what I can do!

    Squat 1RM test today:
    Probably not the best situation to test. I spent some time shoveling some wet and heavy snow yesterday and did something to my left lat. Everytime I tightened the belt it would spasm. Ugh. But went for it anyway.
    Back squat - 1x5@33 lbs, 1x5@53 lbs, 1x3@64 lbs, 1x2@75 lbs, 1x1@83 lbs, 1x1@94 lbs, 1x1@103 lbs, 1x1@109 lbs, 1x1@114 lbs, 1x1@123 lbs
    Not proud of the form and the bar path, but depth was decent. On a better day, I think I could have gotten 130. Next time.
    Then cause my back was spasming I skipped the rest of the workout, except for the back extensions. Which oddly were the only thing that felt decent.

    Anyway, resting for the rest of today and tomorrow. Hoping back will feel better for OHP and deadlifts on Friday.
  • DawnEmbers
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    Aigre - Thanks. Nice squats for you too even with the non-best situation. Next time you can get that 130 or more.


    Did the accessories from yesterday and a couple others. Had a lot of time after work since sister didn't get done with her internship until 7 and I was done at work at 3:30.

    single leg leg press 3x10 @ 20
    hack squat calf raise 1x15 and 1x20 @ 90
    single leg curl 2x10 @ 47 (2)
    cable kickback 3x12 @ 20
    treadmill for an hour, 55 minutes at 3.2 speed and 3 incline

  • StephieWillcox
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    Thanks ladies - my back is actually alright. Am resting up and stretching but there doesn't seem to be any damage done.

    I was in the middle rack of three, to the left of me was a guy doing rack pulls with 5 - 6 plates each side and a range of motion of about an inch which he roared through. Most annoying. During one of the sets (I didn't know this at the time, because I would have waited to start my set) he had one of hit mates pull off 3 20kg plates in the middle of his reps super quickly and then he did more reps. This was all completely unnecessary and meant I smashed into the guys back when he was pulling plates off.

    They also took nearly every 20kg plate there was, and left them all on the floor.

    Jo - I am so pleased for your squat!! I really hope you have it nailed down :)

    Aigre - great work, saw the squat on IG, depth was good and you fought for it!! Definitely more in the tank if you stop the pitching forward (which is what I do when things get tough too, very frustrating)

    Dawn - Way to get it done.

    I think I've found the new program to run - it's a book called "Thinner, leaner, stronger". Sort of a mix of a bodybuilding and powerlifting routine. Will look into it in more depth and maybe start it next monday. There is a 3 day, 4 day or 5 day routine to pick from
  • AigreDoux
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    Stephie - glad your back is ok! Sounds like some bros right there in your gym!

    Yes the pitching forward is so annoying. At some point, I think, I read Sidesteel say that for his clients he programs in some front squats to help with this issue. I may be making that up. But I may try some very light front squats as accessories in my next program (maybe bar only).

    You have programitis like I do :) I have read TLS, it seems solid. The workouts looked long to me, though.

    Dawn - that's a long time on the treadmill, takes some mental fortitude!

    Rest day here again. Back is still sore. I think I pulled it on the darn stupid snow. It's cold and windy out and I really just want to sit in my office and eat. Humpf.
  • StephieWillcox
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    I have a serious case of programitis - I just want to find something that is still mainly the big 4, but with some other stuff to keep my interest!

    TLS 5 day routine takes about 45 minutes apparently. Doesn't look too bad. I'm sure the other routines would end up being quite long though.

    Front squats definitely stop the pitching forward. Can't pitch forward or you'll fall over :)

    I can't get in the front rack position though, so I have to use wraps round the bar to hold on to - it works much better for me than the cross arm style. They are in TLS so I may be doing some of those soon, haha
  • DawnEmbers
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    Stephie - also glad your back is okay and ugh to the bros. I know your feeling on the program aspect too. It's hard to find the one sometimes.

    Aigre - luckily I had my iPod so could listen to music the whole time. Today, I forgot to charge it so the 30 minute walk was more of a challenge.

    Shoulder seems to be doing fine now. Bench went okay but my right elbow isn't liking close grip bench, especially with pausing. I did one set with pause and one without as I'm not getting the weight and reps needed. I might try pausing on wide grip to see if it's any better as do see the benefit of working in pause for bench. Bonus though, found some 2.5 plates at last. These are hard to find at any of the locations.

    band pull apart - 3x15
    bench - 2x10 @ 45, 1x10 @ 65 and 2x10 @ 80
    close grip bench paused - 1x8 @ 45, 1x8 @ 65 and not paused 1x10 @ 65
    incline bench - 2x10 @ 55
    face pull - 3x10 @ 70
    30 minute walk on treadmill at 3 incline and 3.2 speed with 5 minute cool down after lowering incline and speed periodically

    I had to adjust the weights a little because the program calls for ones that I can't do without even smaller micro plates. Technically was supposed to do 79 for bench, 67 for closed grip and 57 for incline. Having to round up or down depending on the lift and how things are feeling since I don't have a way to get the exact odd numbers from the program but oh well.
  • AigreDoux
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    Stephie I can't get into front rack either, which I find weird because I am otherwise pretty flexible. When I've done front squats I've done either crossed arms or with straps as you mentioned.

    Dawn - 30 minutes on the treadmill without even music sounds dreadful!

    Well, I am feeling old today. Was leaving my office yesterday, turned a corner, and hit a patch of ice and had a spectacular wipe out. Feet flew out from under me, possessions went flying. Landed on my right glute, elbow and whacked the back of my head pretty well too. This morning my neck is sore as well and I have a giant butt bruise. All along my DH is cautioning me not to hurt myself exercising, and I hurt myself walking on the sidewalk! How stupid.

    Anyway, I'm probably going to take a few days off completely and then start fresh on Monday.

    Have a great weekend everyone!
  • DawnEmbers
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    Aigre - It is though the gym sort of has music. Some times and locations it's more audible than others. Unfortunately, that day didn't have too much sound. Miss the gym that had the tv's on the treadmills that included access to food network. Best thing to watch while doing cardio.


    Today was an easy day as it was shoulders. I even got to use the dry sauna that was in the women's locker room at this location near the other store. That one has barely anything within walking distance so had a salad I brought in with bleu cheese dressing and buffalo flavored tuna. It was decent but not all that filling. Dinner is leftover vegetables and jungle curry chicken. Will try to get a snack later, still need some protein for today as usual.

    db shoulder press - 2x10 @ 20
    front plate raise - 2x10 @ 25
    side lateral raise - 2x10 @ 12.5
    one chinup at assisted shoulder machine as couldn't get the assisted part working then a couple hangs from it
    15 minutes sauna

    Now to maybe write or work on videos. Have tomorrow off and might finally get around to taking measurements.