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I have done absolutely 0 extra cardio through the first 3 phases. Since the book wasn't super clear, I wanted to feel it out before adding since I didn't want to hinder any muscle gains. I've dieted for the past couple of years and my muscles have suffered. I decided it was THEIR time to come first. In stage 2, some HIIT is added at the end of one of the workouts and in Stage 3, cardio is at the end of both. In stage 4 (I start it monday), I see that it's back to only one of the workouts and I may add some HIIT to the end of the one not calling for it. But then, that little voice in the back of my head tells me it was left off for a reason, you know?
Looking back at stage 1, if I had it to do over again, I would definately add some HIIT the first 8 workouts (where it's only 2 sets). When it got to the 3 sets, I'm not sure. Probably not. I'm pretty so on my off days. I lift on MWF so if I didn't have kids and a husband, I'd *maybe* do a 30 minute jog throughout the program.0 -
Hey, all. Just for the record, I am NOT quitting the program.
AND I am not worried "so" much about the scale. The scales, I am realizing, does not matter especially after looking at someone's pic. Sorry I forgot your name but you rock the bikini.
Sue, it depends on the day for me. Since I have been focusing on increasing the weights, I don't have the energy to do much on my rest days.
Anyone have the love/hate relationship with the program like I do? :laugh: I love it on my rest days but hate it when I am at the gym.0 -
Hey everyone,
Yesterday I completed stage 1 minus the AMRAP section, so this morning I got on the scale and I had gained 6 pounds - this seems really high. I do not see any physical difference in my appearance either, but I will take my measurements after the AMRAP rounds. I do feel stronger, that is a fact.
I also have a standing 6 week appt with the head trainer at my gym to have my body fat and measurements taken.
So while I am extremely disappointed in this weight gain, as I have worked so hard to lose 50 pounds and swore that I would never see the 150s again and yet I am staring at that villian again I will muscle on and finish what I started and hopefully the scale, the body fat and measurements will go in the right direction.
Thanks for listening
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I had been doing some HIIT on the treadmill after the first 4 workouts in Stage 1 just because I had time and I like HIIT a lot (I am a bodyrocker & ZWOWer). Now that it's 3 sets (started wo5 today) I am taking a few minutes to stretch & roll afterwards instead. I really want to get get back to Zumba at some point but my Saturday's are nuts right now. I also do reformer pilates one day a week. Iwish I had time to do more cardio but right now sleep seems more important.0
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I am not even looking at the scale right now. My clothes all fit better and even too loose in some instances, and as I told you a few days ago, I bought size 12s for the first time in decades! Yes, I'll get back to losing the last 20 that I think I want to lose, but not until I finish NROL4W and am planning my next regime. I want to get comfortable with the lifting, form and getting to the boys side of the gym.
Claudette, don't be discouraged. I bet that goes away!
I guess I should take some BF measurements too.
Thanks for your thoughts on cardio and HIIT!0 -
Hey everyone,
Yesterday I completed stage 1 minus the AMRAP section, so this morning I got on the scale and I had gained 6 pounds - this seems really high. I do not see any physical difference in my appearance either, but I will take my measurements after the AMRAP rounds. I do feel stronger, that is a fact.
I also have a standing 6 week appt with the head trainer at my gym to have my body fat and measurements taken.
So while I am extremely disappointed in this weight gain, as I have worked so hard to lose 50 pounds and swore that I would never see the 150s again and yet I am staring at that villian again I will muscle on and finish what I started and hopefully the scale, the body fat and measurements will go in the right direction.
Thanks for listening
Claudette
I can't wait to see what your BF% results are. I totally wish I would have done THIS benchmark test above all! If your bf% hasn't descreased, I'd definately do some reassessing!0 -
Yesterday I completed stage 1 minus the AMRAP section, so this morning I got on the scale and I had gained 6 pounds - this seems really high. I do not see any physical difference in my appearance either, but I will take my measurements after the AMRAP rounds. I do feel stronger, that is a fact.
Claudette
Claudette, don't panic yet, while you're building muscle it does involve a certain amount of water retention. Lots of us have found that in our weeks off after a few days it goes away. If you take a week off, reweigh after 4 or 5 days, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Edit to add: failing that, ditch the scales and just enjoy the view in the mirror as you get slimmer and stronger!0 -
Don't get hung up on the number. BMI charts are averages and don't take into account people with more than average muscle mass. I'm the same size now at 145 as I was the last time, more years ago than I care to count, that I was 130. Another good indicator of becoming "more fit" is tracking not just body fat but your heart rate. If you a lot of cardio already you probably know this. Your max will go up while your min. will go down. My resting is down in the 50's now and my new max just from last night's Zumba class is 167. I am liking the HIIT more every time, even though I HATE running with a passion. I usually do the Zumba on my "Rest" weeks, but since I changed my lifting schedule for the Summer, I can get to my Wednesday class....now if I can just schedule more time at the pool.
PS: I'm up two lbs. but it's TOM so don't cry for me Argentina. It really doesn't bother me, but just thought I'd share so you know we all know we face these things.0 -
Claudette, little background for you.
I started cardio at 156 and dropped down to 150. In April, I decided to weight lift . During the first stage, I gained that 6 pounds back. A few pounds I fluctuate up and down. I was extremely discouraged in the beginning, but I am slowly learning that the scales do not matter. I see women who weigh the same as me but are so much smaller. They wear a size 6 while I am in a size 12 :grumble: .
This morning I weight 156.2. oh well. Losing inches is what matters for me (at the moment :laugh: ..........during TOMS I will be grumbling about the lack of weight loss)0 -
Thanks all.
This is such a great group and I really appreicate all the support and feedback.
Have a great day!!0 -
Did anyone see the video on the NYTimes website today about weight training?
Simple Advice for Better Weight Training
http://nyti.ms/KZK5Od0 -
Hello my strong and powerful friends! Thought I'd post my own update, as I keep reading yours, but never seem to have the time to respond.
After plugging away through stages 1 and 2 (tomorrow is my last workout in stage 2), two weeks ago, I decided to get back together with cardio. I think, in the past, our relationship was too obsessive; we didn't spend time apart and so, didn't appreciate each other. This time around, it's different. I'm just doing the cardio I love, but not smothering it. I'm limiting it to 30-45 minutes at a time and enjoying its company so much more than in the past. I'm also still spending time with my friends (ie NROL4W), so I think I'm striking a better balance this time around. LOL.
Ok, in all seriousness, I really was missing cardio. And once or twice a week of HIIT following a weights workout just wasn't doing it for me. The truth is, I love a good sweat. Yes, I sweat like crazy when lifting. But I've been a runner for years, and I adore the endorphins that come with high energy activity. Also, I know that only lifting doesn't provide your heart and lungs with the opportunity to develop to their full potential. And for me, I will (hopefully) always run. So less-than-very-strong heart and lungs is a no-no in my book!
And finally, yes, I want strength gains. But I would also rather be 145 lb and very strong than 165 lb and very strong. 145 lb means I'm lighter on my feet for running, which means my knees and hips are happier. So weight loss continues to be important to me - not because I care about a number, but because being lighter helps me do the things that I love. So why can't I have both? Honestly, I think I can...it just means kicking my butt into high gear until I hit the weight goal, eating extra clean, and making sure to rest. I know many would say to stop lifting and focus on weight loss until I hit that goal. But I don't want to give that up either!
The past two weeks, I challenged myself to lift three days and do tough cardio on five. I left 300-500 cardio calories "on the table" (ie didn't eat them) each day. And over the past two weeks, clocked in with 3.5 lb lost. I know this pace is not sustainable for the long term. But my body feels great.
Basically, I've been biking to work as often as possible (burns about 500 cals round trip), lifting 3 days a week, and doing HIIT for 40 minutes - 20 minutes doing two different activities (running, elliptical, rowing, stair mill, etc) on lifting days. I take two total rest days per week, and do endurance work at the lake on the weekends - long hikes, mountain biking, or running and swimming with the kids. My form and strength have not suffered, and I've been making strength gains during this time.
But most importantly, I'm doing things I love. At this stage in my life, I have the sweet opportunity to be at the gym for 2 hours and not feel guilty. I LOVE being at the gym and working hard (I also love coming home and cooking something wonderful to repair my body with.....mmmmm food). I know that my spare time will come to an end this fall, as I'll be working on my Masters part time while working a very full time job managing an understaffed government department.
Have I noticed a difference in just doing NROL? Yes, absolutely. I'm stronger than I've ever been, and I'm seeing definition in my arms, chest, waist, and a wee bit in my legs. We measured and took pictures on Monday, and I'm down 9 inches in total: about 2 each at my chest, waist, hips, and then 1 each on my biceps, thighs, and calves. But more impressively, I look so much healthier. I no longer have a "rolling landscape" of lumps and bumps. My body looks sleek and well-proportioned (especially in contrast to my pics from 2.5 months ago!), and there is definite change in the shape of my arms, legs, and torso. So for people just starting out, know that you will definitely see changes as you continue to progress. I'm only at the end of stage 2...can't wait for some of the later stages - Beeps, I too dream of doing a chin up one day...even if it's just one!).
But, being a big believer in "one size doesn't fit all", I am also enjoying messing a little with the book's recommendations. Please tell me that doesn't get me kicked out of the club!?!
Anyway, these were just my thoughts on the whole, "it's impossible to lose weight while doing NROL4W" discussion. I recognize that I'm not putting muscle on at the rate that I could be. But I'm ok with that for the short term. And I'm also ok with kicking my own butt cardio-wise until I hit that weight goal, recognizing that it isn't something I'll maintain over the long term.
Sorry for the long-winded post...I guess I'm feeling particularly verbose today!
Anyway, I just want to say that each of you inspires me to get to the gym and work it hard. Sue - you've commented on being 60 and doing this...you are simply a rockstar. And when I'm in the middle of my lunges, and I can't tell if it's tears or sweat pouring down my face, I suck it up because if you can do it, so can I! Beeps - your struggle with injury reminds me daily to think about form before progression. I did a dumb thing the other day - adjusted my grip during the deadlift from box by resting a 110lb bar on my lifted thigh. Sigh. So dumb. As soon as I did it, I thought "oh man, Beeps would not be impressed with that move!". And FunBun - your *kitten* to the grass comment the other day gave me my mantra for yesterday's FSPPs. I squatted like I've never squatted before. And gollllllly, do I feel it today! And everyone else who I haven't mentioned specifically, know that I appreciate your comments on form, challenges, and especially the human comments about how things were particularly difficult managing schedules and sleep and kids, etc. Knowing that others struggle to make this work is so helpful and comforting.
Ok, time to stop typing (I wonder if I've managed to use an entire page on the forum). In short, you all are my heros. Everyday.0 -
Joanne, I enjoyed reading your post.
I do not follow New Rules completely either especially the diet. I'm a horrible carb eater and barely get in 60 g of protein in a day. Anyway, I really appreciated your honesty and thoughts. Keep up the good work.0 -
Joanne, thanks. For all of it, and for taking the time to put it all down on "paper". I'm not ready to make changes yet, but you've answered some of my questions about cardio and pushing the envelope. Wow! I don't know if I could do what you're doing but I sure do admire that you know your goals so well and are willing to do what's necessary to achieve them.
I figure that I'll stick with the program the way it's written for a while, at least until I'm comfortable with my form and all the moves and then I will re-evaluate. But at the moment, it's working for me!0 -
Hey joanne, I'm REALLY glad to read that your return to your cardio-love has been enlightening - and that it's working! I'm glad different things work for different bodies. I, myself, have cut my lifting down to 2 x per week - am doing more outdoor walks, etc. Even if I just end up "maintaining" over the summer, I'm okay with that...
Oh, and for the record, I slept HORRIBLY last night and, being super-duper exhausted, I am NOT working out, today, I am putting in excessive hours at the office, and my assistant just stopped by with an A & W teen burger and a SUPER LARGE diet root beer for me to chow on.
YUM. YUM.
Ummmmm, I'm not logging ANY of this, either.
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Did anyone see the video on the NYTimes website today about weight training?
Simple Advice for Better Weight Training
http://nyti.ms/KZK5Od
Thanks Sue, good to see people encouraging this. I admit I had to fight the urge to yell at the guy- stop doing bicep curls and squat down lower! Turning into a lifting-snob....0 -
Great Post Joanne. In all honesty I think cardio is a great way to get off those last few pesky pounds! Hang in there Beeps. You were my inspiration in the beginning
Sue great link thanks. 5A2 tomorrow, ugh stupid BWM.
PS: I finished my diary today and.... I OVER ON PROTEIN UNDER 2 CARBS! Woo Hoo!! ANd I will finish stage 5 before our week long trip on the Blue RIdge mountains. Not sure if I will be able to log at all that week out in the middle if nowhere and I will be very sad to lose my accumulated time.0 -
http://nyti.ms/KZK5Od
Again Sue great link!. It's nice to know we ARE doing it right. The book started us off with higher repetitions to get us accustomed to lifting and form. My husband is a cyclist and he needs to do some strength training to protect his bones. He actually uses resistance bands because he has limited range of motion after a horrific cycling injury.0 -
Thanks for being so candid, Joanne. You've gotta follow your heart and do what feels great. Life is too short. 0
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So mad! I pulled something in my right shoulder this morning (doing a stupid pushup of all things) and it's pretty irritated. I'm supposed to lift tomorrow and then have 2 days off. Gonna ice it some more tonight and go lower on the weights. Frustrating!0
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Grr, 1 workout back in and my body is already swelling back up again! I know its just from my muscles holding water to repair themselves, but it is so frustrating! Does anyone know any relief for this? I drink plenty of water and try to get as much protein as possible post workout, I just don't know what else to do. Would stretching more help?0
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But, being a big believer in "one size doesn't fit all", I am also enjoying messing a little with the book's recommendations. Please tell me that doesn't get me kicked out of the club!?!
^^^This times a million. We all must figure out what works for our bodies. It may take awhile to get a good grip on what that is but once you do the gains in energy & happiness are worth it. Also. I find this group to be highly supportive. You are making a well thought out decision for yourself. We all should admire that. I certainly do Good on you mama. 0 -
Grr, 1 workout back in and my body is already swelling back up again! I know its just from my muscles holding water to repair themselves, but it is so frustrating! Does anyone know any relief for this? I drink plenty of water and try to get as much protein as possible post workout, I just don't know what else to do. Would stretching more help?
You have noticeable (by looking at your body) swelling? Or is it weight/inches gain? I would say you have to let your body repair itself in the way it's intended. So just know that the swelling is a good sign that changes are being made.0 -
Great post Joanne - I've been really trying to get more cardio in as well but haven't been that consistent with it. I've really got to make myself do it.
Sue - thanks for the video link. Nice to see that weight lifting is getting promoted for health benefits!!!
Did my HIIT today since I didn't have time to do it yesterday after my 4B2 workout. I absolutely LOVE walking. It's honestly my favorite form of cardio exercise, so I walked about 3 miles after my HIIT this morning and I feel great. I really need to do this more often, for my benefit and my dogs (she's getting fat!).0 -
ellie - no worries on the swelling....it will become less noticeable - things just don't happen in a day on NROL4W! Keep drinking your water. Keep putting in necessary/appropriate rest periods/days. Keep your protein HIGH.
I'm lifting today. My 4th Stage 7 work-out. I'll be sore and tired when I'm done....but, then my after-work party will seem SO WORTH IT!
Tomorrow is long cardio-session. I've missed it the last 2 weeks and I'm ready to give it another go.
I LOVE SUMMER!0 -
Beeps, I hope you don't leave us when you finish New Rules. :frown:0
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Beeps, I hope you don't leave us when you finish New Rules. :frown:
^^THIS!!!
So excited! Today is my last stage 2 workout...no cardio today though. Since we're not off to the lake this weekend, I've scheduled a 35 mile roundtrip bike ride with a girlfriend tomorrow morning. We'll bike right across the city to the region's biggest farmers' market, stuff ourselves with goodies, and bike back. Can't wait!!!0 -
Grr, 1 workout back in and my body is already swelling back up again! I know its just from my muscles holding water to repair themselves, but it is so frustrating! Does anyone know any relief for this? I drink plenty of water and try to get as much protein as possible post workout, I just don't know what else to do. Would stretching more help?
^^ This is me to a T!!! The day after I lift I feel like a blimp! The scale goes up and my body looks puffy! It drives me crazy!0 -
I'm not leaving here....I'll probably just do "NROL4Abs" when I'm done "NROL4W", anyway!
I didn't have a very good work-out today, though.
I lost at court and was late getting to the gym....I only did 3 sets, instead of 4....I had to drop my weight on my step-ups down to 8 lbs!! (8 lbs - good gawd, why am I bothering!)
On the good news front - I skipped my lunch to get my work-out in, so I have room to drink alcoholic beverages on our deck tonight! (we're throwing a big party)
Oh, and even though I lost in court, I think the other lawyer was a friggin' GONG SHOW - so when we meet up again, in 6 or 8 weeks, I plan on kicking his frail little *kitten*....0 -
Oh, and even though I lost in court, I think the other lawyer was a friggin' GONG SHOW - so when we meet up again, in 6 or 8 weeks, I plan on kicking his frail little *kitten*....
And you will - whether it's with your brilliance or your fierce biceps!
Enjoy your cocktails tonight!0
