Women and Carb backloading

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That blog says "Counting calories is pointless. Balancing calories burned with calories ingested just doesn't work. Cutting calories to lose weight will work to some degree to lose scale weight."

I don't find it a convincing argument as expressed above.

http://conditioningresearch.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/training-with-low-muscle-glycogen.html talks of more fat burning after training in carb depleted state and I've read other similar findings.

Carb replenishment post exercise is part of the high carbohydrate exercise philosophy, discussed at the bottom of http://www.fao.org/docrep/W8079E/w8079e0n.htm.

Both of those views would favour eating carbs after daily exercise.

check out the 4 hour body, leangains.com, and mark's daily apple for similar strategies. there are specific articles that detail this approach that i am totally blanking out on right now but i'll add them to the thread when i remember. i use the 'backloading' approach when i'm training for a specific event and i need to eat more carbs to keep myself from dying.

i definitely advocate it! sorry this hasn't been a super clear response but i'll come back with more evidence soon!

save your money

I agree with stronglikebul, lenagains may be what you need and I've read plenty on marksdailyapple.com about carb-loading. All that info is free, I wouldn't waste the $, IMO.

That's funny. If I were going to add carbs back in, I'd want them before I work out, to fuel that workout better. This says eat them after?

I don't agree with loading with carbs before a workout, you want your body to go into its fat stores for energy rather than use your carbs you just ingested. Most people I know eat protein before a workout or workout in a fasted state and then eat a sweet potato/or good carb with protein within a few hours of finishing the workout.

Everyone has different methods though

Carb backloading is a relatively new thing on the scene, I doubt there will be many here who have been doing it for a significant amount of time. It's also sold under the name of the biorhythm diet

http://www.reactivetrainingsystems.com/articles/nutrition/10480-the-biorhythm-diet

I wouldn't spend that kind of money on the book personally. Food quantity and quality are still king, regardless of when you eat your carbs.

I've been on it for about 2-3 months, via a strength coach who does a lot of diets for fitness/bbuilding competitors and who is in regular contact with Keifer (CJ Murphy/Total Performance Sports, Boston).

I love it! It's easy to follow and you get to enjoy food. I used to do carb cycling, where you get one cheat meal a week and of course I would eat myself sick. This way I get 3 "fun" meals so I don't go too crazy. The non-carb parts of the day can also be pretty enjoyable. You don't get breakfast, but you can have coffee, and I realized breakfast never really worked for me anyway, I just got more hungry in an hour or two.

As far as for women, Murph is finding across the board that we put on muscle pretty well but losing the fat is harder, you really need to make the backloading meals pretty moderate. I haven't been strict at all and my body weight has stayed the same but I've gotten leaner and more athletic looking week to week. My performance has definitely improved, but I'm also at a point where I've overcome some injuries and am starting to work up to my potential, so I'm not sure how much credit CBL gets for that.

I am also 41 and have noticed my metabolism get slower in past few years and fat is really stubborn to get rid of in general. I'm also not too worried about the fat loss because I'm focused on my first powerlifting meet 5 weeks from now.

Kiefer makes it very clear, this version of CBL is for people who train very hard with weights, aka lift heavy. He is developing a version for endurance athletes but it's not ready yet. So it really isn't meant for the average fitness pursuer, although one could probably apply some of the principles here and there and benefit (in that case I'd recommend just spending time on Kiefer's blog rather than buying the book).

If you want to do CBL, the e-book is totally worth it and a must. Murph has all of his clients buy it and reads it repeatedly himself and recommends we do the same. You start to realize Kiefer is looking past a lot of generalizations in research findings about metabolism that have lead to widespread beliefs that are either just plain false or are based vastly oversimplified or generalized perspectives (such as breakfast being good for fat loss).

The diet--timing, supplements, macros, etc--is pretty complex and you really need to "get it" to do it right and adapt to your days as they vary, esp. if you're not working with anyone on your nutrition, so you need the book.

I know e-books are usually pretty sketchy but they are used quite a bit in the by the top experts in the strength sports world, i.e, the Elite FTS, Westside, Diesel Crew, etc., type folks, as a way to reach their niche audiences quickly without dealing with the usual in publishing, and because these sports require specialized gyms and those who don't live anywhere near one don't really have any other way to get the knowledge. e-books from this crowd are never a ripoff.

Good luck!

Do you realize that the author preps people for figure competitions

4 - The comments prior that state that the time of day you eat something doesn't matter are not supported by research. Kiefer has 30-some pages of references (yes, the works cited is 30 pages long) to peer reviewed scientific research to back his claims, plus he trains high level athletes, so I lean toward his information.

ok.

But thousands of people have got lean not using this principle.

I'm sure I could find plenty of bodybuilders/sports coaches/average joes who don't carb back load and their clients are ripped. So who's right then?

He's not the only guy out there successfully prepping people for contests.

Listen, I don't doubt the pricniple itself but the argument of "well he's ripped" or "his clients are ripped" does not in itself validate that method. Lots of people are ripped and lots of them will eat carbs in the morning.

Carbohydrate Backloading works.

but you're gonna need to read the book. It works a bit differently for women than it does men.
I've done it for 3 weeks and dropped about 6 pounds.

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That's funny. If I were going to add carbs back in, I'd want them before I work out, to fuel that workout better. This says eat them after?

Yeah, I agree. It makes no sense. Carbs are energy. I want an energy boost before the workout. Also, I have found that eating a good balance of carbs, protein, and fat at all three meals is better for me.