processed sugar vs sugar in fruits and veggies

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  • alexis831
    alexis831 Posts: 469 Member
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    Think about it... you don't see people getting fat from eating fruit, but eating bread, candy, cakes, and pies will funnel a different result. These are two different sugars in its chemical make up and the body treats them very differently. Fruit sugar will NOT be stored in body fat. Whereas, complex sugars in cereal bars or other manuafactured "so-called healthy" snacks will.
    So untrue... calories are calories and sugar is sugar no matter if it’s a candy bar or an apple. Now there is more benefit to natural things on the body such as fruits have fiber and so on but sugar is sugar. I know a lot of people who preach the eat whatever you want as long as it is natural and you will lose because it is different on your body, load of garbage. Have a ton of those people at work, they are about 100 pounds plus overweight or more eating their veggies and fruits while I am macking on my twix bars and ice cream and donuts. They always wonder how come I can eat junk food and carbs, oh my goodness I said carbs!, all day and loose. Because a calorie no matter in what you eat is a calorie, same as sugar. Sugar doesn’t just magically transform into something else in fruit. HAH One of them told me oh my goodness are you going to eat that it is so bad for you!!! She was about 150 pounds overweight and eating an apple, heheh.
  • alexis831
    alexis831 Posts: 469 Member
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    All sugars are not created equal. Please review the chemistry of a simple sugar molecule (such as fructose aka fruit) and a complex sugar molecule (aka sucrose and other polysaccharides). The body can break down fruit sugar very easily and use it for energy IMMEDIATELY versus trying to break down complex sugars which are molecularly structures built on top of structure (and is not so readily available for the body to use as energy).

    Think about it... you don't see people getting fat from eating fruit, but eating bread, candy, cakes, and pies will funnel a different result. These are two different sugars in its chemical make up and the body treats them very differently. Fruit sugar will NOT be stored in body fat. Whereas, complex sugars in cereal bars or other manuafactured "so-called healthy" snacks will.

    Processed sugars may be broken down by the body a little bit, but what the body can't break down from these manufactured sugars, it just store in your body fat.

    I hope this helps ALL of you see SUGAR in a different light. Everything should be in moderation, but please choose a serving of fruit over a nutrigrain bar.

    I sincerely hope that your post was a joke.

    I don't think it was, HAH! Can't believe how many people are believing this stuff they are pushing to the public! Seriously!
  • VWilson_Momoftwinsplus1
    VWilson_Momoftwinsplus1 Posts: 35 Member
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    I love a good debate. You have all made my day! :-)
  • ixap
    ixap Posts: 675 Member
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    Calories are calories and sugar is sugar, but is much much harder to overeat fruits and vegetables than processed snacks and desserts.

    In theory 1000 calories of cake would cause the same amount of fat gain as 1000 calories of steamed vegetables. However, in practice, it's very easy to eat 1000 calories of cake, but most people couldn't choke down 1000 calories of steamed vegetables if they tried. Even 1000 calories of fruit would be pushing it - 8 or 9 large bananas. Doable, but not all that tempting, at least to me.
  • alexis831
    alexis831 Posts: 469 Member
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    I love a good debate. You have all made my day! :-)

    Good debate or not, people shouldn't be pushing things on this site that are not true. It confuses the crap out of the newbie’s then someone has to chime in to correct the “debate” if you can call it that. Had 3 people listen to this crap and e-mail me because they can't seem to loose weight and were told that all natural without a deficit would create a magical deficit because its processed differently in their body. You don't see them being happy about finding that out 3 months into their "diet" with their wedding fast approaching.
  • Evarell
    Evarell Posts: 143 Member
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    Calories are calories and sugar is sugar, but is much much harder to overeat fruits and vegetables than processed snacks and desserts.

    In theory 1000 calories of cake would cause the same amount of fat gain as 1000 calories of steamed vegetables. However, in practice, it's very easy to eat 1000 calories of cake, but most people couldn't choke down 1000 calories of steamed vegetables if they tried. Even 1000 calories of fruit would be pushing it - 8 or 9 large bananas. Doable, but not all that tempting, at least to me.

    Well said!
  • newcs
    newcs Posts: 717 Member
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    Personally, I have a major sweet tooth. I know it, I accept it and I don't try to fight it because I've never succeeded. So for me, I look at it like this: I'll hit my calorie goals, my vitamin/mineral goals and my exercise goals. If I'm eating fruit instead of ice cream, I consider that a success. Bonus: I can eat way more fruit than ice cream and still hit my calorie goals. I've tried to swap some fruits out and some veggies in (though I already eat quite a bit of veggies) but still end up craving something sweet so I just focus on making my sugary choices as healthful as possible. I've also worked very hard to get my eating habits very clean and eat very few processed foods these days...so I'm not terribly concerned with some natural sugar.

    I'm someone who could eat 1000 calories of fruit...crazy but true. I have to purposely buy limited amounts at a time to prevent it. Guess I could have worse addictions ;)
  • prettygirlhoward
    prettygirlhoward Posts: 338 Member
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    As I said before, everything should be in moderation, but I refuse to believe that 30g of sugar from an apple will effect my body the same as 30g of sugar from a Little Debbie Snack Cake. Two completely different chemical makeups. The apple will provide readily available energy, and its actual chemical breakdown starts while you are chewing (all food does). The snack cake's sugar is more complex in nature (manufatured sugars) and the body will break down what it can, but what it cannot use it immediately (i.e. causes a high or spike in glycemic index or "sugar surge" due the the body's inability to break down complex sugar structures for immediate use) , it will be stored.

    You can refuse to believe what you want, but your reasoning is incorrect.

    That being said, an apple will usually be a better choice of foods due to the nutrients it provides and due to it being less calorie dense. But in terms of how the sugar in each food is metabolized, the differences are not substantial.

    Additionally it doesn't matter whether or not you use all of your food for energy in the short term. All that matters is that fat oxidation exceeds fat storage (assuming you are trying to lose fat). This happens in a calorie deficit. In short -- any fat storage that may occur in the short term will be oxidized between meals.

    I would recommend that you read this, not because I want you to eat donuts (I don't, really -- apples are probably better in most circumstances) but it might provide you with some research to clear up some things:

    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319


    THANKS for sharing that website.... I went to it and found it VERY informative for me. My daughter suffers from obesity and is insulin resistant (so her Dr says) this reallys helps me to better understand the works of insulin.
  • pinthin87
    pinthin87 Posts: 296 Member
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    I believe that you can get fat from eating ANY food in excess, but what it really boils down to is genetics. I am sorry that this will make some people mad but men and women are not affected by sugar in the same way. Men have the ability to become super lean in a fraction of the time it takes a woman to do so. I do not believe that men and women metabolize anything the same exact way including sugar. If they did how do explain instances where a man and woman of the same height and weight who are both addicted to sodas set out to kick the habit; then after let's say a month of discontinuing sodas the man loses 5 pounds while the woman gains 1. I know there are several other factors that would need to be considered in that hypothetical situation, but if we are just simply speaking on the change in metabolism due to gaining some better eating practices, the man is drastically different then the WOMAN!
  • Lift_hard_eat_big
    Lift_hard_eat_big Posts: 2,278 Member
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    I love a good debate. You have all made my day! :-)

    I wouldn't consider it a debate when you are absolutely wrong.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    I believe that you can get fat from eating ANY food in excess, but what it really boils down to is genetics. I am sorry that this will make some people mad but men and women are not affected by sugar in the same way. Men have the ability to become super lean in a fraction of the time it takes a woman to do so. I do not believe that men and women metabolize anything the same exact way including sugar. If they did how do explain instances where a man and woman of the same height and weight who are both addicted to sodas set out to kick the habit; then after let's say a month of discontinuing sodas the man loses 5 pounds while the woman gains 1. I know there are several other factors that would need to be considered in that hypothetical situation, but if we are just simply speaking on the change in metabolism due to gaining some better eating practices, the man is drastically different then the WOMAN!

    They have different energy expenditures and different hormones. They don't metabolize sugar differently.
  • VWilson_Momoftwinsplus1
    VWilson_Momoftwinsplus1 Posts: 35 Member
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    I love a good debate. You have all made my day! :-)

    Good debate or not, people shouldn't be pushing things on this site that are not true. It confuses the crap out of the newbie’s then someone has to chime in to correct the “debate” if you can call it that. Had 3 people listen to this crap and e-mail me because they can't seem to loose weight and were told that all natural without a deficit would create a magical deficit because its processed differently in their body. You don't see them being happy about finding that out 3 months into their "diet" with their wedding fast approaching.
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    @ alexis831 Calm your *kitten* down. I hope this young lady and ALL of those who are concerned consults with a nutritionist or specialist for answers.
  • mermx
    mermx Posts: 976
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    Complex Carbohydrates
    The metabolic process from carbohydrate to fat differs depending on the type of carbohydrate, the largest distinction being between simple and complex carbohydrates. Complex carbohydrates ultimately yield less fat as they require a more complex metabolic process to completely digest. In fact, one complex carbohydrate, fiber, is entirely indigestible and will not cause the body to produce glucose, although a type called soluble fiber can help moderate glucose derived from other foods. Another type of complex carbohydrate is starch. Complex carbohydrates differ from simple carbohydrates, because they are compounds that comprise chains of three or more types of sugar molecules.
    Simple Carbohydrates
    Simple sugars comprise bonds between one or two sugar molecule types. Examples include fructose; glucose; sucrose, which is a bond between glucose and fructose; high-fructose corn syrup, which is also a bond between glucose and fructose; lactose, which is a bond between glucose and galactose; and others. Simple sugars convert into glucose almost immediately, often containing readily-available glucose, which can raise blood glucose levels much more sharply, causing large amounts of excess. Moreover, simple sugars most often occur in foods as additives, increasing the caloric value of a meal without increasing its nutrition.
    Bottom Line
    Most fat produced by the body is due to conversion of excess glucose into fatty acid. In this way, the body does turn sugar into fat as part of the metabolic process when excess sugar is present. However, several thresholds much breach before this conversion takes place. Cells must first absorb glucose to capacity for immediate use, then muscles must absorb glycogen to capacity for later use. Only then will the body resort to converting glucose into fatty acid for storage in adipose tissue, if blood glucose levels remain too high.

    On the other hand, "sugar" as it relates to sucrose, or table sugar, can initiate this process much more readily. Sucrose and other simple sugars can cause rises in blood glucose levels that require the full gamut of conversions to lower them quickly enough to prevent damage. Inordinately high glucose levels can cause hyperactivity, weight gain, diabetes, brain damage, nerve damage, liver damage and renal damage, among other health complications.

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