Multivitamin?

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I have been using MFP since early June and only have had a few days that I slipped up. My weight loss is steady but slow. I am ok with that. I find that I am way under eating as per my requirements for 1700 for MFP but I am getting in at least 1200 a day. Up until this point I have been really lax with my exercise but last night I started the C25K program (I've done it once before and completed it) and I am planning on keeping with it.

My question is that the last couple weeks I've had a few people mention to me how tired I look - and I've been feeling it. Dragging myself out of bed in the morning and by 2 or 3 pm I am drained. I am not good at getting protein in at breakfast, but I am really trying at lunch. I don't eat a lot of meat, but I try with yogurt, cheese and nuts.

Would adding a multivitamin help my fatigue? I guess it can't hurt right?

Does anyone else make it a habit of swallowing one of those "horse pills" with your morning coffee? Pros? Cons?
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  • natachan
    natachan Posts: 149
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    Your diary seems kinda empty, so it's hard to say. It couldn't hurt I guess.
  • Dahllywood
    Dahllywood Posts: 642 Member
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    I take a multivitamin everyday with breakfast, and it's not one of those horse pill ones lol.
    Just a basic, generic, small supermarket multivitamin.
  • Hazel0096
    Hazel0096 Posts: 34 Member
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    I should say I just got back from vacation and didn't journal during the week I was gone, but I have been tracking every day before then :)
  • radiotrash
    radiotrash Posts: 22 Member
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    What do you have for breakfast? I was going to suggest if you have the time maybe try a protein shake for breakfast? http://dashingdish.com/recipes/shakes/ has some recipes to use at starting points but personally I do modify hers a bit (for instance, I don't like artificial sweeteners and would rather work that 15 calories for a teaspoon of sugar into my day). Might help you get that protein in and give you an energy boost!
  • Mrsfreedom41
    Mrsfreedom41 Posts: 330 Member
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    I take a multiple vitamin and extra calcium (as per Dr.) for several years now. It can't hurt you and may benefit you in the long haul.
  • tara_seay
    tara_seay Posts: 171 Member
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    I've been curious about this too - if a multi-vitamin is necessary. I don't feel tired or anything - just wondering if I need to take one..

    INterested to see answers.
  • I_love_frogs
    I_love_frogs Posts: 340 Member
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    I hate taking vitamins....so I use the adult gummy multivitamins. Its good to take I think just to cover your bases...I use the prenatal ones for the folic acid etc.

    I also take the fiber gummies and a calcium with d3, CLA, and fish oil pills when I can remember. I do good tho remembering to take the gummies lol
  • klewlis
    klewlis Posts: 79 Member
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    You are probably not eating enough calories. If you have your profile filled out correctly and it's telling you 1700, then 1200 is way too low. That is definitely going to affect how you feel. Contrary to what some people think, fewer calories is not necessarily better, and if you are eating too few your weight loss will be slower (I know it sounds backwards but it's true!). That's why in Weight Watches they say to "eat all your points"; your daily quota is set where it is for a reason. ;)

    Focus on eating foods that are rich in nutrients, and include protein with each meal.

    With that said, I do take a multi vitamin. Most would say that if your diet is nutritious, you shouldn't need a multi. But I figure it will fill in any gaps I might have. I also take Omega 3 supplements every day.
  • stagknight
    stagknight Posts: 130 Member
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    What I was having and what I like in the foods I have chosen for my diet I was lacking in some vitamins and minerals, soI fill the gap with a multivitamin.
  • tree5981
    tree5981 Posts: 18 Member
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    I have had a history of fatigue as well. I went to the doctor to check my thyroid and such and he had no medical explanation for my tiredness.
    For me, a vitamin B complex helps a huge deal. If I forget to take it I can see how much more tired I am. Taking B12 alone didn't help me. So, you can try the B complex and see how that goes.
  • maroonmango211
    maroonmango211 Posts: 908 Member
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    I take a multi vitamin every morning with my omega 3-6-9 (which I also take with the other two main meals). It was a habit I picked up while pregnant and taking prenatal vitamins. I stopped for a month and could tell a difference in how my body felt. It's definitely not gonna hurt so might as well try it. No need to go for the expensive name brands, most of the store brands have the exact same ingredient lists.
  • klewlis
    klewlis Posts: 79 Member
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    I take a multi vitamin every morning with my omega 3-6-9 (which I also take with the other two main meals). It was a habit I picked up while pregnant and taking prenatal vitamins. I stopped for a month and could tell a difference in how my body felt. It's definitely not gonna hurt so might as well try it. No need to go for the expensive name brands, most of the store brands have the exact same ingredient lists.

    Slightly off topic, but 3-6-9 is a gimmick and not what we should be taking. You only need to supplement Omega 3 (look for the one with the highest amount of DHA). Omega 3 is the one our diets are generally lacking, unless we eat a lot of fish. We get TOO much Omega 6 in general, and Omega 9 is created naturally by your body.

    Check out this article for more info: http://chriskresser.com/how-too-much-omega-6-and-not-enough-omega-3-is-making-us-sick
  • invictus8
    invictus8 Posts: 258 Member
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    The standard multivitamin is not a good idea -- seriously. There is ZERO evidence it contributes to one's health, and in fact one epidemiological study showed it increased certain disease rates. Nutrition as a science is still in its infancy. Much better to track your nutrients for a week and come up with food choices that fulfill your nutrient requirements. For me I've found a head of raw broccoli every day or so fills up any deficiencies I have.
  • princeza9
    princeza9 Posts: 337 Member
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    I was taking one, but it made me nauseous a lot- even worse when I had dairy a little while after taking it. I noticed I got less lightheadedness and dizzy spells when I was taking the vitamins. I'll have to look into one I can take and still have my morning yogurt.

    Some people will say it's a waste, some will say it has benefits... Talk to your doctor to see what he/she says.
  • Silverkittycat
    Silverkittycat Posts: 1,997 Member
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    I take a multi vitamin every morning with my omega 3-6-9 (which I also take with the other two main meals). It was a habit I picked up while pregnant and taking prenatal vitamins. I stopped for a month and could tell a difference in how my body felt. It's definitely not gonna hurt so might as well try it. No need to go for the expensive name brands, most of the store brands have the exact same ingredient lists.

    Slightly off topic, but 3-6-9 is a gimmick and not what we should be taking. You only need to supplement Omega 3 (look for the one with the highest amount of DHA). Omega 3 is the one our diets are generally lacking, unless we eat a lot of fish. We get TOO much Omega 6 in general, and Omega 9 is created naturally by your body.

    Check out this article for more info: http://chriskresser.com/how-too-much-omega-6-and-not-enough-omega-3-is-making-us-sick

    well, he also says this. Some good info in the comments below this article's link too. :)
    When it comes to fish oil, more is not better
    October 25, 2010 in Food & Nutrition, Heart Disease | 120 comments

    The benefits of fish oil supplementation have been grossly overstated
    Most of the studies showing fish oil benefits are short-term, lasting less than one year
    The only fish oil study lasting more than four years showed an increase in heart disease and sudden death
    Fish oil is highly unstable and vulnerable to oxidative damage
    There’s no evidence that healthy people benefit from fish oil supplementation
    Taking several grams of fish oil per day may be hazardous to your health
    A new study was recently published showing that 3g/d of fish oil in patients with metabolic syndrome increased LDL levels and insulin resistance.

    Unfortunately, I don’t read Portuguese so I can’t review the full-text. But this study isn’t alone in highlighting the potential risks of high-dose fish oil supplementation. Chris Masterjohn’s latest article on essential fatty acids, Precious yet Perilous, makes a compelling argument that fish oil supplementation – especially over the long-term – is not only not beneficial, but may be harmful.

    This may come as a surprise to you, with all of the current media hoopla about the benefits of fish oil supplementation. Yet the vast majority of the studies done that have shown a benefit have been short-term, lasting less than one year. The only trial lasting more than four years, the DART 2 trial, showed that fish oil capsules actually increase the risk of heart disease and sudden death.

    A 2004 Cochrane meta-analysis of trials lasting longer than six months suggests that the cardiovascular benefits of fish oil have been dramatically over-stated. They analyzed 79 trials overall, and pooled data from 48 trials that met their criteria. The only effect that could be distinguished from chance was a reduced risk of heart failure. Fish oil provided no reduction in total or cardiovascular mortality.

    Too much fish oil can wreak havoc in your body

    Omega-3 fatty acids are highly vulnerable to oxidative damage. When fat particles oxidize, they break down into smaller compounds, like malondialdehyde (MDA), that are dangerous because they damage proteins, DNA, and other important cellular structures.

    A study by Mata et al demonstrated that oxidative damage increases as intake of omega-3 fat increases. The results of this study were summarized in the Perfect Health Diet, by Paul and Shou-Ching Jaminet:

    *see link*
    Notice the clear increase in TBARS (a measure of oxidative damage of the LDL particle) with omega-3 fat. It’s important to note that this was only a 5-week trial. If it had gone on for longer than that, it’s likely the oxidative damage caused by omega-3 fats would have been even worse. This isn’t surprising if you understand the chemical composition of fats. Polyunsaturated fats (PUFA) are highly vulnerable to oxidative damage because they’re the only fatty acids that have two or more double bonds, and it’s the carbon that lies between the double bonds that is vulnerable to oxidation (as shown in the figure below):



    Another thing worth noting, if you haven’t already, is that intake of saturated and monounsaturated fats does not increase oxidative damage by a significant amount. This is illustrated in both the table and the diagram above: saturated fats have no double bonds, which means they are well protected against oxidation. MUFA is slightly more vulnerable, since it does have one double bond, but not nearly as much as PUFA which has several double-bonds.

    A randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled trial likewise showed that 6 grams per day of fish oil increased lipid peroxides and MDA in healthy men, regardless of whether they were supplemented with 900 IU of vitamin E. And consumption of fresh, non-oxidized DHA and EPA has been shown to increase markers of oxidative stress in rats.

    Fish oil not as beneficial as commonly believed

    To be fair, at least one review suggests that fish oil supplementation is beneficial in the short and even intermediate term. A recent meta-analysis of 11 trials lasting more than one year found that fish oil reduced the relative risk of cardiovascular death by 13 percent and the relative risk of death from any cause by 8 percent.

    But the effect seen in this review was mostly due to the GISSI and DART-1 trials. They found that fish oil may prevent arrhythmia in patients with chronic heart failure and patients who have recently survived a heart attack.

    However, there is no evidence that people other than those with arrhythmia and chronic heart failure benefit from taking fish oil or that doses higher than one gram of omega-3 fatty acids per day provide any benefit over smaller doses. And then there’s the rather disturbing result of the DART-2 trial, the only fish oil study lasting more than four years, showing an increase in heart disease and sudden death.

    It’s logical to assume the effects of oxidative damage would take a while to manifest, and would increase as time goes on. That’s likely the reason we see some benefit in short- and intermediate-term studies (as n-3 displace n-6 in the tissues), but a declining and even opposite effect in the longer-term DART-2 trial (as increased total PUFA intake causes more oxidative damage).

    The danger of reductionist thinking in nutritional research

    The current fish oil craze highlights the danger of isolated nutrient studies, which unfortunately is the focus of nutritional research today. Kuipers et al. eloquently described the risks of this approach in a recent paper:

    The fish oil fatty acids EPA and DHA (and their derivatives), vitamin D (1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D) and vitamin A (retinoic acid) are examples of nutrients that act in concert, while each of these has multiple actions(7,8).

    Consequently, the criteria for establishing optimum nutrient intakes via randomised controlled trials (RCT) with single nutrients at a given dose and with a single end point have serious limitations. They are usually based upon poorly researched dose–response relationships, and typically ignore many possible nutrient interactions and metabolic interrelationships.

    For instance, the adequate intake of linoleic acid (LA) to prevent LA deficiency depends on the concurrent intakes of α-linolenic acid (ALA), γ-LA and arachidonic acid (AA). Consequently, the nutritional balance on which our genome evolved is virtually impossible to determine using the reigning paradigm of ‘evidence-based medicine’ with RCT.

    Interest in fish oil supplementation started with observations that the Inuit had almost no heart disease. It was assumed their high intake of marine oils produced this benefit. While this may be true, at least in part, what was overlooked is that the Inuit don’t consume marine oils in isolation. They eat them as part of a whole-food diet that also includes other nutrients which may help prevent the oxidative damage that otherwise occurs with such a high intake of fragile, n-3 PUFA.

    It’s also important to note that there are many other traditional peoples, such as the Masai, the Tokelau, and the Kitavans, that are virtually free of heart disease but do not consume high amounts of marine oils. What these diets all share in common is not a large intake of omega-3 fats, but instead a complete absence of modern, refined foods.

    Eat fish, not fish oil – cod liver oil excepted

    That is why the best approach is to dramatically reduce intake of omega-6 fat, found in industrial seed oils and processed and refined foods, and then eat a nutrient-dense, whole-foods based diet that includes fatty fish, shellfish and organ meats. This mimics our ancestral diet and is the safest and most sane approach to meeting our omega-3 needs – which as Chris Masterjohn points out, are much lower than commonly assumed.

    Some may ask why I continue to recommend fermented cod liver oil (FCLO), in light of everything I’ve shared in this article. There are a few reasons. First, I view FCLO as primarily a source of fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, K2 and E) – not EPA and DHA. Second, in the context of a nutrient-dense diet that excludes industrial seed oils and refined sugar, and is adequate in vitamin B6, biotin, calcium, magnesium and arachidonic acid, the risk of oxidative damage that may occur with 1g/d of cod liver oils is outweighed by the benefits of the fat-soluble vitamins.

    So I still recommend eating fatty fish a couple times per week, and taking cod liver oil daily, presuming your diet is as I described above. What I don’t endorse is taking several grams per day of fish oil, especially for an extended period of time. Unfortunately this advice is becoming more and more common in the nutrition world.

    More is not always better, despite our tendency to believe it is.
    http://chriskresser.com/when-it-comes-to-fish-oil-more-is-not-better
  • klewlis
    klewlis Posts: 79 Member
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    true enough, but my guess is that most people aren't getting enough. It would be interesting to see how much is actually in the average diet. I live on the pacific so I have easy access to fish, but until I lived here I never ate fish. :/
  • Silverkittycat
    Silverkittycat Posts: 1,997 Member
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    true enough, but my guess is that most people aren't getting enough. It would be interesting to see how much is actually in the average diet. I live on the pacific so I have easy access to fish, but until I lived here I never ate fish. :/

    I understand, I just like to get simple blood tests done to determine what if anything I might need before supplementing with something I don't.

    I'd love to discuss the following, if someone would care to poke some holes in it? I'm serious, trying to learn here. :)
    http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml
  • Silverkittycat
    Silverkittycat Posts: 1,997 Member
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    and I know Masterjohn's past, but he has made some very good points in his reports lately, just an intro -
    The PUFA Report Part 1: A Critical Review of the Requirement for Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids
    Current reviews and textbooks call the omega-6 linoleic acid and the omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid "essential fatty acids" (EFA) and cite the EFA requirement as one to four percent of calories. Research suggests, however, that the omega-6 arachidonic acid (AA) and the omega-3 docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) are the only fatty acids that are truly essential. Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) occurs in fish products but is probably not a normal constituent of the mammalian body and in excess it interferes with essential AA metabolism. The EFA requirement cited in the scientific literature is inflated by several factors: the use of diets composed mostly of sucrose, glucose, or corn syrup; the use of diets deficient in vitamin B6; the use of purified fatty acids instead of whole foods; the use of questionable biochemical markers rather than verifiable symptoms as an index for EFA deficiency; and the generalization from studies using young, growing animals to adults. The true requirement for EFA during growth and development is less than 0.5 percent of calories when supplied by most animal fats and less than 0.12 percent of calories when supplied by liver. On diets low in heated vegetable oils and sugar and rich in essential minerals, biotin, and vitamin B6, the requirement is likely to be much lower than this. Adults recovering from injury, suffering from degenerative diseases involving oxidative stress, or seeking to build muscle mass mass may have a similar requirement. For women who are seeking to conceive, pregnant, or lactating, the EFA requirement may be as high as one percent of calories. In other healthy adults, however, the requirement is infinitesimal if it exists at all. The best sources of EFAs are liver, butter, and egg yolks, especially from animals raised on pasture. During pregnancy, lactation, and childhood, small amounts of cod liver oil may be useful to provide extra DHA, but otherwise this supplement should be used only when needed to obtain fat-soluble vitamins. Vegetarians or others who eat a diet low in animal fat should consider symptoms such as scaly skin, hair loss or infertility to be signs of EFA deficiency and add B6 or animal fats to their diets. An excess of linoleate from vegetable oil will interfere with the production of DHA while an excess of EPA from fish oil will interfere with the production and utilization of AA. EFA are polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) that contribute to oxidative stress. Vitamin E and other antioxidant nutrients cannot fully protect against oxidative stress induced by dietary PUFA. Therefore, the consumption of EFA should be kept as close to the minimum requirement as is practical while still maintaining an appetizing and nutritious diet.
  • cindys0417
    cindys0417 Posts: 1,149 Member
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    Dont laugh but I take the muti vitamin gummies :) They are good ! I can't take those horse pills!
  • ValerieMartini2Olives
    ValerieMartini2Olives Posts: 3,024 Member
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    I was taking a one a day women's formula, but when I would take it in the morning it would make me throw up. When I started taking it at night it didn't make me sick anymore. But overall I think vitamins help. Maybe try taking them 3 or 4 times a week instead of everyday.