Whoa whoa whoa!! You can't burn fat via exercise????

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  • bpotts44
    bpotts44 Posts: 1,066 Member

    Lifting heavy weights burns a lot of calories. I think it would be fairly comparable to intense cardio. The difference would come from the length of time each is done. For example, an elite cyclist may burn 2k to 7k per day, but they don't burn that in an hour. They burn it over several hours. Hour for hour, I would guess heavy lifting and intense cardio burn about the same.

    No, heavy weight training has a MET equivalent of 6, with lighter session have a value of 3.

    On the other hand fast cycling has a MET value of 12, with leisure cycling coming in at 8, fast running comes in at a whopping 16, with a slower run at 10.

    Sure weights and HIIT have a higher EPOC effect than regular cardio (which does have an EPOC effect just a lower amount) but the total calories burned is generally more (sometimes substantially more) with cardio even factoring that in.

    If a person is doing HIIT and weights because they think it is good for overall calorie burn they are spectacularly missing the point. These are both tools for helping to preserve LBM and in the case of HIIT to work towards maximal fitness.

    Now I am going to say something really strange so everyone please don't stare.

    How about

    people

    incorporate

    weights

    hiit

    and some steady state

    into their routine?

    eta: edited out the animated gif as it was doing my head in ;)

    I agree with what you are saying 100%. Cardio, especially intense cardio burns way more calories than weight lifting. Like you said, if you have the time then you are best served to do both. Those of us with limited time in order to create and maintain caloric deficit to lose weight will do so much quicker with cardio.
  • Bankman1989
    Bankman1989 Posts: 1,116 Member
    ACTUALLY...Eating at a deficit doesnt help you lose fat..it helps you lose weight. You can actually INCREASE your body fat while losing weight (not realistic but it is possible). Exercise is VITAL to building muscle. A healthy combo of weights and cardio will make sure you are building the muscle you need.
  • dixiewhiskey
    dixiewhiskey Posts: 3,333 Member
    ACTUALLY...Eating at a deficit doesnt help you lose fat..it helps you lose weight. You can actually INCREASE your body fat while losing weight (not realistic but it is possible). Exercise is VITAL to building muscle. A healthy combo of weights and cardio will make sure you are building the muscle you need.

    !
  • elijhasmomma
    elijhasmomma Posts: 270 Member
    bump
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,500 Member
    Those of us with limited time in order to create and maintain caloric deficit to lose weight will do so much quicker with cardio.

    Sure that is true.

    However, one has to ask themselves where is that weight coming from: fat or lean body mass? Many people say they want to lose weight but in reality they are actually looking to improve body composition (the ratio of fat to muscle) so they can look good (and get some functional day to day benefits such as increased strength but that is less common.)

    The most efficient way of preserving LBM is resistance training. In fact if your calorie deficit becomes too steep which lots of cardio can contribute to then you will lose a much greater % of LBM to fat, particularly if protein intake is low.

    That is why traditional fat loss routines are structured in the following order:

    1) good diet (to create a suitable calorie deficit to strip fat)
    2) resistance training / HIIT (to preserve muscle mass and maybe even increase it)
    3) cardio (to ensure negative calorie balance but still allow you to eat more thereby increasing dietary adherence)

    Cardio is usually treated as the wild card therefore in a fat loss routine generally.
  • bpotts44
    bpotts44 Posts: 1,066 Member
    Those of us with limited time in order to create and maintain caloric deficit to lose weight will do so much quicker with cardio.

    Sure that is true.

    However, one has to ask themselves where is that weight coming from: fat or lean body mass? Many people say they want to lose weight but in reality they are actually looking to improve body composition (the ratio of fat to muscle) so they can look good (and get some functional day to day benefits such as increased strength but that is less common.)

    The most efficient way of preserving LBM is resistance training. In fact if your calorie deficit becomes too steep which lots of cardio can contribute to then you will lose a much greater % of LBM to fat, particularly if protein intake is low.

    That is why traditional fat loss routines are structured in the following order:

    1) good diet (to create a suitable calorie deficit to strip fat)
    2) resistance training / HIIT (to preserve muscle mass and maybe even increase it)
    3) cardio (to ensure negative calorie balance but still allow you to eat more thereby increasing dietary adherence)

    Cardio is usually treated as the wild card therefore in a fat loss routine generally.

    With extreme calorie deficients you will lose LBM, but typically at 1-2 lb/week the body is going to metabolize fat stores. Our systems evolved to efficiently use fat stores and not muscle unless very necessary.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    If you're doing resistance training for the calorie burn, you are doing it wrong.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member

    Lifting heavy weights burns a lot of calories. I think it would be fairly comparable to intense cardio. The difference would come from the length of time each is done. For example, an elite cyclist may burn 2k to 7k per day, but they don't burn that in an hour. They burn it over several hours. Hour for hour, I would guess heavy lifting and intense cardio burn about the same.

    No, heavy weight training has a MET equivalent of 6, with lighter session have a value of 3.

    On the other hand fast cycling has a MET value of 12, with leisure cycling coming in at 8, fast running comes in at a whopping 16, with a slower run at 10.

    Sure weights and HIIT have a higher EPOC effect than regular cardio (which does have an EPOC effect just a lower amount) but the total calories burned is generally more (sometimes substantially more) with cardio even factoring that in.

    If a person is doing HIIT and weights because they think it is good for overall calorie burn they are spectacularly missing the point. These are both tools for helping to preserve LBM and in the case of HIIT to work towards maximal fitness.

    Now I am going to say something really strange so everyone please don't stare.

    How about

    people

    incorporate

    weights

    hiit

    and some steady state

    into their routine?

    eta: edited out the animated gif as it was doing my head in ;)

    That's a fair and reasonable question. The answer for some is time constraints, as that would add 2-3 hours to the workout week, and for others it's the negative effect on strength and mass that steady state cardio brings. But for most it can be a great idea.
  • sbeezii
    sbeezii Posts: 15
    one pound to go?!


    WAY TO GOOO!! :)
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    If you're doing resistance training for the calorie burn, you are doing it wrong.

    True story
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Those of us with limited time in order to create and maintain caloric deficit to lose weight will do so much quicker with cardio.

    Sure that is true.

    However, one has to ask themselves where is that weight coming from: fat or lean body mass? Many people say they want to lose weight but in reality they are actually looking to improve body composition (the ratio of fat to muscle) so they can look good (and get some functional day to day benefits such as increased strength but that is less common.)

    The most efficient way of preserving LBM is resistance training. In fact if your calorie deficit becomes too steep which lots of cardio can contribute to then you will lose a much greater % of LBM to fat, particularly if protein intake is low.

    That is why traditional fat loss routines are structured in the following order:

    1) good diet (to create a suitable calorie deficit to strip fat)
    2) resistance training / HIIT (to preserve muscle mass and maybe even increase it)
    3) cardio (to ensure negative calorie balance but still allow you to eat more thereby increasing dietary adherence)

    Cardio is usually treated as the wild card therefore in a fat loss routine generally.

    Totally this! Very well put!
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    ACTUALLY...Eating at a deficit doesnt help you lose fat..it helps you lose weight. You can actually INCREASE your body fat while losing weight (not realistic but it is possible). Exercise is VITAL to building muscle. A healthy combo of weights and cardio will make sure you are building the muscle you need.

    Exactly this ^^^^
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