Alcohol...

kaytbognar
kaytbognar Posts: 249
edited September 20 in Food and Nutrition
Hi! I find myself in a bit of a quandry. I love alcohol. Not in a "my name is kayt and I'm an alcoholic" sense, though it has certainly been close to that in the past and could easily be again in the future. But I love having a few drinks.

I love good scotch. I love good wine. Microbrews. Herbal bitters. Most recently, local rum.

I'm not going to stop loving these things any time soon, and while I've come to embrace the less-is-more philosophy (especially accompanied by a switch to better quality fare) I have trouble finding a way to fit a couple drinks into my diet. Yes, I know that alcohol is bad. Yes, I know that I would ultimately be healthier if I eliminated it. I'm not interested in sermons on the evils of drinking, I will not be convinced plain and simple.

I'm just curious if there's anyone out there that has found a way to find a balance between a drink or two on a regular basis (maybe not daily, but a couple times a week) and maintaining a fairly health well rounded diet?
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  • Here is what my doctor told me...lay off beer and wine. I love good beers especially Belgium's. I like to come home from a hard day teaching high school kids and have 2-3 drinks. Scotch and water is ok, or 1 shot of vodka mixed with 1 6.75 oz. of Topo Chico Mineral Water (per drink) and a twist of fresh lime.
  • leelu
    leelu Posts: 136 Member
    Use a shot measure as its really easy to poor more then you think. A vodka and diet coke is only 56 calories ... when i am in a pub i ask them to poor a single shot into a pint glass of diet coke. it takes me a lot longer to drink it so your not feeling like your sitting with an empty glass
  • If you are counting your calories normally that is not alot in a day a those drink can really tap into your food calories. Not sure for you but that is important cause I just love food. But you could either do a couple of things, either exercise so that you gain more calories to eat o drink. If you do a very good workout you can burn up to 200-550 in an hour or less. Or during the week don't eat all your calories kinda like bank them so that you have those extra cal. Also remember that if you are on a 1200 calorie count if you go over that number and I think up to 1700 your considered to be in the maintenance level. Meaning that will not lose or gain any weight you will just maintain your current weight. Hope that helps a little. I think that hard liquor did not have that many calories, I should look in to that
  • Ang8178
    Ang8178 Posts: 308
    Hello fellow boozer :laugh: I did used to drink alot more, but have learned to tone it down quite alot! I have a drink almost everyday! Pish posh, I know it's bad, but like you, I'm not giving it up. Anyway, my food diary is set to public if you want to check it out. Most of the time I put what I'm drinking at the end of the day first thing in the morning so I know where I stand on food. I also have been working out ALOT! I must say though, if I'm not drinking alcohol, I'm only drinking water! I drink sooooo much water during the day! Then a few cups before bed.
  • PJilly
    PJilly Posts: 22,168 Member
    Hello fellow boozer :laugh: I did used to drink alot more, but have learned to tone it down quite alot! I have a drink almost everyday! Pish posh, I know it's bad, but like you, I'm not giving it up. Anyway, my food diary is set to public if you want to check it out. Most of the time I put what I'm drinking at the end of the day first thing in the morning so I know where I stand on food. I also have been working out ALOT! I must say though, if I'm not drinking alcohol, I'm only drinking water! I drink sooooo much water during the day! Then a few cups before bed.
    This sounds like me too. I drink a glass of wine with dinner pretty much every night. I used to do that and then some. I have my black coffee in the morning, water only all day long, my 6 ounces of wine with dinner, and water the rest of the evening. My diary is public as well. On occasion, I'll have a second glass of wine or a mixed drink (usually rum with fat-free cocoa — very tasty).
  • TCASMEY
    TCASMEY Posts: 1,405 Member
    Here is what my doctor told me...lay off beer and wine. I love good beers especially Belgium's. I like to come home from a hard day teaching high school kids and have 2-3 drinks. Scotch and water is ok, or 1 shot of vodka mixed with 1 6.75 oz. of Topo Chico Mineral Water (per drink) and a twist of fresh lime.

    Did your doctor give you a reason to lay off the beer and the wine. Why is scotch or vodka better? Just curious!
  • xonophone
    xonophone Posts: 474 Member
    I have been having the same dilemna - I too love my cocktails. I knew that is has no carbs but I was amazed to learn how many calories are in one ounce of pure alcohol (wine and vodka are my favorites) I found an article that states pure alcohol has about 7 calories per gram. There are approximately 28 grams in 1 ounce. Given that vodka is 40% alcohol, there are 78.4 calories per ounce of vodka! And I must be totally honest: when I measured how much vodka I was pouring into my typical vodka with club soda it was about 2 1/2 ounces! And I will easliy have 2 or 3 on a Friday or Saturday night. Occasionally during the week I will also have a cocktail. But man, do those extra calories add up, even on the days when I go to the gym! So I've been trying hard to cut down during the week at least. I have been buying tons of those flavored carbonated waters in fun flavors like Key Lime, White Grape, and Strawberry Kiwi, and pour some of them over rocks in a fun glass. I've also been buying herbal teas for my "nightcap." It's been working for the past 2 weeks. But now it is Friday night and I'm on #2...lol.

    Here is a link to the article I was talking about. I don't know how accurate the information is, but it does correlate to the calorie counts on MFP: http://www.shapefit.com/alcohol-calories.html
  • IdalieBeyer
    IdalieBeyer Posts: 12 Member
    When I drink I enjoy drinking darker beers which have more calories. But my default drink is a vodka tonic with lime. It's clear which means it's less calories. I also drink Mojitos again the clearer the drink the better. Of course I also drink wine, reds, whites whatever I'm in the mood for, but I just drink it all in moderation.
  • Thank goodness I'm not alone <3

    PJilly-- rum with cocoa sounds amazing! I'm addicted, seriously honest and true, to this coquito stuff our bartender makes. It's like coconut egg nog, but made with moonshine. It's such a killer! I need to resisit it more often.

    xonophone-- I HEAR YOU. I hated learning that alcohol is only 2 cals shy per gram than fat, it depressed me SO much. As a result, I usually have my drinks straight up or on rocks, screw the mixers (scotch, cognac, really good stuff doesn't need it anyway) I'm on number 4 for the evening, though i've decided this MUST be my last.

    Ang-- I drink water all day long, one cuppa black joe in the AM, tea in the aft just to keep cozy against the rain, but it's water water water all the time. I don't like soda and juice I find is waaay too sweet for me, so I'm a water girl. And then, I get slipped a mick. OK, not really, but our bartender is always giving me tasty treats--whatever is left over from the cocktails he makes for guests. Which means, sugar laden, creamy, rich, delicious, diet-killing drinks. Which starts me on to the scotch, the cognac, the rum. Augh, it's SO HARD having free access to whatever is in the bar.


    It's discouraging, I guess I'll have to work on the workout/consumption balance. Hopefully, someday, I'll get it right. Harumph. Definitely didn't happen tonight, though :(
  • mmeitz
    mmeitz Posts: 4
    I enjoy everything you do! The most effective system that I've implemented has been vodka& club soda with a lime wedge. If I'm simply 'over' VCS I will alternate booze & water.
  • mmeitz
    mmeitz Posts: 4
    Watch that tonic... it is FULL of sugar.
  • slightingscale
    slightingscale Posts: 1,209 Member
    I hate to be the party pooper here, but this post opened my eyes. I used to drink alcohol within my calorie limits, but I wasn't losing weight. I knew my body was processing alcohol differently than other foods, and this post explained it all to me. Now, I still have alcohol, but I really think twice about it.

    SHBoss1673 wrote this around New Year's Eve, and my further research has proved it true.

    "Notes about alcohol calories. They are far worse for the body than even processed carbs or straight processed sugars are. Why? Because alcohol is processed differently from other energy sources. Essentially, in layman's terms, alcohol supplants all other energy sources, relegating carbs, fats, and proteins to secondary and tertiary sources of energy. when this happens the body still continues storing extra energy as fat. In other words all the food you ate and are processing when you introduce alcohol, instead of being burned during the course of normal activity, now becomes fat (well, not ALL of it, but a lot), and fat is far harder to burn off than ingested glucose (carbs and sugar). so in essence, by drinking, you're making it harder to work off any food you ate that day. It's not that big of a deal if this is a once or twice a month thing, but if you do it a lot, yeah, you're gonna have problems getting rid of fat. Thus the prevalence of "beer belly" for people who drink a lot of beer. That freshman 15? You guessed it, it's generally because of the alcohol, and usually not because of the "bad" food in the cafe (well, to a degree). "

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/74136-extra-calories-and-alcohol?hl=alcohol&page=2#posts-1008844
  • Not a huge fan of tonic, so I'm safe! Always used to love a vodka club, though I'm not such a fan anymore (oevrdrank it? who knows...) Scotch. Scotch scotch scotch. And a cigar. that is was i looooove lately, and when I'm a cheapskate it's rye.

    The worst is that I just keep finding more things to love. Campari on rocks, for instance, gosh. I could drink a whole bottle! Dubonnet, Manhattans, cognac, godfathers...the list goes on.

    I think my best bet is to just trade, in my mind, a sweet treat/food treat for a drink. I enjoy a drink more, and it usually lasts longer. If only alcohol were calorie-free! *LAMENTS*
  • I hate to be the party pooper here, but this post opened my eyes. I used to drink alcohol within my calorie limits, but I wasn't losing weight. I knew my body was processing alcohol differently than other foods, and this post explained it all to me. Now, I still have alcohol, but I really think twice about it.

    SHBoss1673 wrote this around New Year's Eve, and my further research has proved it true.

    "Notes about alcohol calories. They are far worse for the body than even processed carbs or straight processed sugars are. Why? Because alcohol is processed differently from other energy sources. Essentially, in layman's terms, alcohol supplants all other energy sources, relegating carbs, fats, and proteins to secondary and tertiary sources of energy. when this happens the body still continues storing extra energy as fat. In other words all the food you ate and are processing when you introduce alcohol, instead of being burned during the course of normal activity, now becomes fat (well, not ALL of it, but a lot), and fat is far harder to burn off than ingested glucose (carbs and sugar). so in essence, by drinking, you're making it harder to work off any food you ate that day. It's not that big of a deal if this is a once or twice a month thing, but if you do it a lot, yeah, you're gonna have problems getting rid of fat. Thus the prevalence of "beer belly" for people who drink a lot of beer. That freshman 15? You guessed it, it's generally because of the alcohol, and usually not because of the "bad" food in the cafe (well, to a degree). "

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/74136-extra-calories-and-alcohol?hl=alcohol&page=2#posts-1008844


    I read SHBoss's very informative post, it's part of what got me thinking. I like my drinks. I try not to go too mad for them, but in sitting down and trying to hash out the things I can and can't do without in the Big Lifestyle Revolution that weight loss is supposed to emerge from, the liquor is not going anywhere. I can ditch chocolate, potato chips, french fries, cakes, cookies, whatever, but if i look down the line years from now, I have to be realistic. I see myself coming home and have a drink with my roommate, with my partner, my father or sister or whatever. It's not a sacrifice I'm ready or willing to make; I can modify my intake, trade quantity for quality, but to eliminate completely? No way, Jose.

    I appreciate the information you've offered, it's important to know the facts, but the point of this post was to find out if anyone's had success balancing weight loss and a fondness of spirits. I'm not talking a binge festival of guzzling back a case of beer in one night, or polishing off a mickey of cheap licks before even hitting the bar. I like a few ounces of scotch while on the phone with home, and if it means it takes longer to lose weight, well, it'll just have to take longer. I will work harder. I'm looking for someone with perspective on how hard I have to work in order to keep a balance.
  • LittleSpy
    LittleSpy Posts: 6,754 Member
    Use a shot measure as its really easy to poor more then you think. A vodka and diet coke is only 56 calories ... when i am in a pub i ask them to poor a single shot into a pint glass of diet coke. it takes me a lot longer to drink it so your not feeling like your sitting with an empty glass

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but 1 ounce of vodka is about 65 calories. 1 shot is 1.5 ounces. 65 x 1.5 is not 56, it is about 100. So, there would be 100 calories in a diet coke with 1 shot of vodka.


    I love beer.
    I have cut WAY back. but very occasionally (lately about once a month), I have 2 or 3 beers (that's 2 or 3 pints... - 600 calories or so, I suppose). Whatever beers I want. I exercise more that day to even it out as much as I can. If I want beer more often than that, I resort to light beer. Yuengling light is one of the only "light" beers I can almost actually enjoy.
  • I really slow down my weight loss efforts if I drink regularly, but dang it, I'm not giving it up either! I have given up on having any alcohol on work nights (Sunday through Thursday) but on Friday and Saturday nights, I will have a few glasses of wine. Last night I had 3 measured 4 oz servings of white wine. I make a white wine spritzer with ice and lots of flavored seltzer. It hits the spot!
    I truly believe that alcohol is fine in moderation. My 24 ounces of wine a week is not impeding my weight loss efforts. :)
  • I really slow down my weight loss efforts if I drink regularly, but dang it, I'm not giving it up either! I have given up on having any alcohol on work nights (Sunday through Thursday) but on Friday and Saturday nights, I will have a few glasses of wine. Last night I had 3 measured 4 oz servings of white wine. I make a white wine spritzer with ice and lots of flavored seltzer. It hits the spot!
    I truly believe that alcohol is fine in moderation. My 24 ounces of wine a week is not impeding my weight loss efforts. :)

    Maybe this is something I will try. Setting a couple measured ounces per week seems like a good plan. I run into trouble when I have no limit (usually wind up throwing restratint to the wind, then) but I don't wanna cut out everything altogether.

    Thanks!
  • PJilly
    PJilly Posts: 22,168 Member
    I've managed to lose about a pound a week while having my daily glass of wine. It was hard at first not having more than one glass on Friday and Saturday nights. That's when I used to let my hair down and have a few (by few, I mean several). So that took some discipline, but I really don't miss it now. In fact, I feel a better sense of balance now that I treat weekend days the same as weekdays when it comes to my eating and working out. And, speaking of balance, I feel like part of that is having a glass of wine as well as a little dark chocolate every day. Those are things that give me pleasure, and while I might lose weight faster without them, there's something to be said for having some pleasure. I'm in this for the long haul, not some quick fix, so it's important to me to make changes I can live with for the rest of my life — not just to get to some arbitrary goal.
  • leelu
    leelu Posts: 136 Member
    I am not sure what is standard where you are from but in Aus a standard shot is 25ml thats .84 oz if your drinking 1.5 oz thats actually what we would refer to as a double shot.

    so 56 calories in a single shot or 104 in a double :)
  • dujennifer
    dujennifer Posts: 162 Member
    I am with you! I could probably lose 10-20 pounds easy if I gave up the wine at night and weekend drinking. I have started eating better and working out, and losing weight SLOWLY. You would think for my health and weight loss journey, I would give it up, but no. Oh well, at least I am having fun losing weight slowly because I haven't given up all my indulgences.
  • hasiangirl
    hasiangirl Posts: 1,613
    haha i love this post <3 because i am the same way...when my kids are at their dads for the weekend i tend to drink heavily...i do think that if u go to a bar tho and dance the night away while drinking it helps burns off alot of the alky calories :wink: the first few weeks of the break up i thought I was gonna gain alot because i was drinking so much but infact i lost 3 lbs!...soooo if you have a dilema of drinking ....as lady gaga would say "Just dance" :laugh:
  • So I'm a college student and I know alcohol has a LOT of calories but I drink every weekend (some thursdays too). I'm nervous that this will ruin my weight loss plan but at school with friends who party and drink or a boyfriend who likes to go to the bar every weekend it's not really that easy to not drink (or to only have like 1 drink while everyone else is drunk). Plus I enjoy drinking. Beer is never a problem for me because I can't stand it. I usually drink vodka, southern comfort, or light rum. Is there any ideas for a way to make what I drink not as bad? Should I just consume less calories throughout the day to cover what I'll drink?
  • Here is what my doctor told me...lay off beer and wine. I love good beers especially Belgium's. I like to come home from a hard day teaching high school kids and have 2-3 drinks. Scotch and water is ok, or 1 shot of vodka mixed with 1 6.75 oz. of Topo Chico Mineral Water (per drink) and a twist of fresh lime.

    Did your doctor give you a reason to lay off the beer and the wine. Why is scotch or vodka better? Just curious!

    He told me to lay off beer and wine due to the kcals and carbs. Scotch and vodka are less in calories and carbs/sugars. I usually drink lager's and ales which start at 168 kcals with 14.8g of carbs. I usually have 3-4 on weeknights and 6 if i go out on the weekend which ranges from 504-1008 kcals. So, I know drink 1 oz Vodka with 6.75 oz of topo chico mineral water with a twist of fresh lime. This comes out to 56kcals per drink with no carbs. My diet has always been healthy except the beer which caused about 25lbs of weight gain in the course of a year.
  • LittleSpy
    LittleSpy Posts: 6,754 Member
    I am not sure what is standard where you are from but in Aus a standard shot is 25ml thats .84 oz if your drinking 1.5 oz thats actually what we would refer to as a double shot.

    so 56 calories in a single shot or 104 in a double :)

    Well, like the vast majority of people using MFP I'm in the US. So, it's actually important for most of these folks to be informed that "a (US) shot" of vodka isn't 56 calories, but really closer to twice that. :wink:
  • So I'm a college student and I know alcohol has a LOT of calories but I drink every weekend (some thursdays too). I'm nervous that this will ruin my weight loss plan but at school with friends who party and drink or a boyfriend who likes to go to the bar every weekend it's not really that easy to not drink (or to only have like 1 drink while everyone else is drunk). Plus I enjoy drinking. Beer is never a problem for me because I can't stand it. I usually drink vodka, southern comfort, or light rum. Is there any ideas for a way to make what I drink not as bad? Should I just consume less calories throughout the day to cover what I'll drink?


    Oh, I looove soco, but it's so sugary sweet, I don't even WANT to know how many calories are in it.

    Sometimes what I do is fill a glass with ice, add in 1-2oz of whatever I'm drinking, and sip it, sometime chew hte ice cubes. It stretches things out a little more I find. At the bar, you can ask for your mixed drinks in a tall glass, perhaps? Also, switching from sugary/sweet mixers keeps the cals to jsut whats in the licks. My old roomie would have pint glasses of vodka-waters and swear by them.

    Fitting in the drinks is where I have trouble, too. I think that it's silly to skip out on gosh knows how many --important-- calories throughout the day where my nutrition is coming from jsut to have a few drinkypoos in the evening, but I hate going into the reds by adding drinks on TOP of what i've eaten. I've also had periods in my life where I don't actually EAT much of anything, but consume ungodly amounts of liquor on a daily basis, I felt so crummy and after a few months of life like that I spent about 6 weeks with unbelieveable stomach pain (I was convinced for the longest time that I'd given myself an ulcer. Yuck!) I don't want to wind up falling into that again cause it just plain suuuuuucked.

    I think the first step would be to make sure you at least LOG all the drinks you have (that's what I'm starting to do, since I usually just pretend like my drinks "dont count") and then look back at how much you're having to try and figure out a happy medium.
  • iplayoutside19
    iplayoutside19 Posts: 2,304 Member
    I like beer more so than a lot of people. I get that alcohol is a good way to relax after work, or when you're going to a sporting event, party, out with freinds....etc.

    However, For me it comes down to priorities. Right now my priorities are to get into the best shape I can be in.

    This doesn't mean i don't partake anymore. I most certainly do. However, I know that when I do I'm setting myself back a few days from reaching my fitness goals. Most of the time it's a trade off I'm not willing to make.

    So, what's more important? Drinking, or reaching your fitness goals. Only you can answer that question.
  • HonestOmnivore
    HonestOmnivore Posts: 1,356 Member
    As my picture might imply - I have a thing for red wine.:blushing:

    I've been losing weight since I started dieting in Oct and mostly since i came back to this site in December. I just make choices. I would rather have a couple glasses of red wine than any other beverage like a soda or juice. I would rather have my wine than dessert, or mashed potatoes...

    When I'm eating at work people will ask if I'm on a low carb diet because I'll be eating a small chicken breast and lots and lots of dark green veggies! I eat a small apple or a hard boiled egg for a snack, maybe low-fat cottage cheese with some fruit for breakfast - or low sugar yogurt... I just joke that I'm on a LIQUID CARB diet :tongue:

    The point is (I believe) to limit the amount of empty calories. If alcohol is important to you, make sure you don't also think Ben & Jerry's is important!

    Moderation really is the answer!
  • PJilly
    PJilly Posts: 22,168 Member
    So I'm a college student and I know alcohol has a LOT of calories but I drink every weekend (some thursdays too). I'm nervous that this will ruin my weight loss plan but at school with friends who party and drink or a boyfriend who likes to go to the bar every weekend it's not really that easy to not drink (or to only have like 1 drink while everyone else is drunk). Plus I enjoy drinking. Beer is never a problem for me because I can't stand it. I usually drink vodka, southern comfort, or light rum. Is there any ideas for a way to make what I drink not as bad? Should I just consume less calories throughout the day to cover what I'll drink?
    I would not recommend cutting out healthy food so you can drink more. If you get into the habit, it really IS easy not to drink or to have only one or two. Sure, it's easier to drink more, so you have to decide ahead of time what your plan is and then stick to it, which will be much easier if you've eaten all your GOOD calories to feed your body and your brain.

    I'd suggest ordering a drink mixed with a low- or no-calorie mixer, and drink it slowly. Then drink water after that for a couple of hours. Then order another drink if you want to, followed by more water, etc. You'll learn to appreciate not feeling impaired, and you'll feel tons better the next day than you would if you indulged.

    Good luck breaking old habits and making new ones!
  • Fieldsy
    Fieldsy Posts: 1,105 Member
    I would be at my goal weight if it wasnt for alcohol :(
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
    So, here's the thing.

    Nobody needs to explain to me that they like partying, or like alcohol, or they're in college.

    Trust me, I was in a fraternity for 5 years (part of the reason I was in college for 6 years was because of the drinking), AND I was captain of my rugby team in college.

    and so I imagine both the US people and many of the Europeans (and some of the other countries) will understand the level of drinking involved with these two activities. And OH YES I was full bore in both. 3 to 4 nights a week drinking for about 4 years or so, it's a miracle I made it past college. I was always the anchor man in boat races, always the guy they called on when doing keg races...etc. I could handle my liquor.

    So nobody can come to me and say "You just don't understand." Oh I do, I really do.

    It comes down to this, you can either choose to believe that drinking "a couple of drinks a few times a week" is going to hurt your weight loss and health, or you can choose to live in denial of that fact.

    It won't change the fact, I'm not going to yell at you, or preach to you or whatever defense mechanism you will use to tell yourself that the facts of drinking don't apply.

    Alcohol is a drug, it's poison to your body. Just like cigarettes, just like cocaine, just like many other bad things, you can either choose to accept that, and work out a reasonable plan or you can choose to live in a quasi-denial state.

    I am, BY NO MEANS, saying you need to give up alcohol. I drink sometimes, and I accept that, but I drink realizing the consequences of it. You can't "build drinking in" to your diet, that's just silliness, you CAN however, give yourself a break every couple of weeks and use alcohol moderately as a social mechanism (or what ever you want to do with it). Ease up on yourself, don't get angry if you have a night of drinking, just limit yourself.

    It worries me more when people say "I can give up sweets, but not my <put your drink of choice here>". Analyze what that means, really dig in and think about it. What is the definition of the inability to stop doing a specific activity?

    that's all I'll say.
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