Review finds low-carb eating benefits health markers

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  • DanaDark
    DanaDark Posts: 2,187 Member
    No probs. This is one holds protein steady so the only variables are fat and carbs.

    Nice find by the way.

    Without more details on the type of carbohydrates it is difficult to really say. Namely, the article continues on talking about insulin levels. This would indicate that glycemic index of foods would be of more importance (Fats and meats have incredibly low glycemic index obviously).

    The "healthy" carbohydrates also have very low glycemic indexes as well. Having a high glycemic index meal results in an elevated blood sugar which then results in more insulin in the blood stream. The insulin is responsible for storing sugars as fats. But remember, storing some fat is fine so long as it is burned within the day or reasonable amount of time (this is how we can survive without eating constantly).

    With higher carbohydrate diets, it becomes easier to achiever higher glycemic index meals, usually done through poor carbohydrate choices.

    I would LOVE to see a study just like this but adding in alternate carbohydrate choices or controlling for glycemic index load!
  • DanaDark
    DanaDark Posts: 2,187 Member
    Recent study showing low carb linked to increased risk of heart disease.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/low-carbohydrate-high-protein-diets-increase-cardiovascular-disease/story?id=16655359

    Hmm... this study says the cause for cardiovascular problems was resulting from increase in protein. I wonder how it would change if you increased fat intake instead of protein? Is there a study with that?

    Issue I have with that is again, changing two variables. Not to mention little to no mention of lifestyle... heart health depends on EVERYTHING almost. Especially exercise!
  • Lina4Lina
    Lina4Lina Posts: 712 Member
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    lol What? I just thought low-carbers could use a little pick me up after all the misinformation and insults from the 101 Reasons thread.

    What misinformation? That there are benefits to carbs and even low carbers eat carbs?
  • llstacy
    llstacy Posts: 91 Member
    Bump to read later. I already know about the health benefits from the first blog but the seconds look cool. And the U.S. food recommendations aren't based on good science at all and I feel bad for anyone who follows those guidelines. Read this: http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/02/04/the-new-usda-dietary-guideline/
  • lrkidd
    lrkidd Posts: 74 Member
    Mu doctor had me go home and watch the following link. It was a very interesting study, more so because it was done by a "die hard" vegitarian who had to admit that low carb was the most effective way to lose weight.

    If the link doesn't work you can also search on you tube for.....THE BATTLE OF THE DIETS BY CHRISTOPHER GARDNER


    http://www.academicearth.org/lectures/battle-of-the-diets
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I just found this, interesting. Note that all the people who ate moderate amount of carbs ~100 still lost weight, just a different pace than low carbers. Please note, protein in all groups was the same at 115g.

    It's also safe to say that ~100 carb diet will be more sustainable in the long run than 30 carb.

    "The perception that “a calorie is a calorie” was refuted by
    Young et al in 1971 (5). They compared 3 diets that contained the
    same amount of calories (1800 kcal/d) and protein (115 g/d) but
    that differed in carbohydrate content (3). After 9 wk on the 30-g,
    60-g, and 104-g carbohydrate diets, weight loss was 16.2, 12.8,
    and 11.9 kg and fat accounted for 95%, 84%, and 75% of the
    weight loss, respectively."

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/83/6/1442.full.pdf+html

    i like how the author talks about the meta analysis by Kreiger et al. Has he read Kreiger's current stance on the meta analysis he did?

    Scroll down to the section "A Note About Scientific Integrity"

    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=285
  • ninastlouis
    ninastlouis Posts: 1
    Been on every type of plan in the world and am 100% convinced that a low carb (carbs from VEGGIES, mainly), potien, and moderate fat content diet is the WAY TO GO. My hunger is controlable, my blood sugar doesn't spike, I feel less bloated, and THE WEIGHT IS COMING OFF. 6 months as of today, 53.5 pounds lost, NO problems with what foods to eat, not too many restrictions.

    Low fat, low cal dieters - check this one out:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Been on every type of plan in the world and am 100% convinced that a low carb (carbs from VEGGIES, mainly), potien, and moderate fat content diet is the WAY TO GO. My hunger is controlable, my blood sugar doesn't spike, I feel less bloated, and THE WEIGHT IS COMING OFF. 6 months as of today, 53.5 pounds lost, NO problems with what foods to eat, not too many restrictions.

    Low fat, low cal dieters - check this one out:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    LolTaubes

    http://reason.com/archives/2003/03/01/big-fat-fake
  • onikonor
    onikonor Posts: 473 Member

    i like how the author talks about the meta analysis by Kreiger et al. Has he read Kreiger's current stance on the meta analysis he did?

    Scroll down to the section "A Note About Scientific Integrity"

    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=285

    Good one.

    I see what he says about the faults in the study.
    I don't understand this statement "I treated protein and carbohydrate as independent variables in my analysis. However, because low carbohydrate diets are usually high in protein, the two are not truly independent" since during the 2004 study he kept it flat at 115 so therefore increasing protein more in low carb should give a bigger benefit?

    The biggest downfall I see in the study is self reporting of calories consumed. I think this is key.

    "The bottom line is that there is no metabolic advantage to a low carbohydrate intake that is independent of a high protein intake. There is a metabolic advantage to a high protein diet, which will increase the calories you burn by 80-100 calories per day. There is also a dramatic satiety advantage to a high protein intake"
  • llstacy
    llstacy Posts: 91 Member
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    lol What? I just thought low-carbers could use a little pick me up after all the misinformation and insults from the 101 Reasons thread.

    What misinformation? That there are benefits to carbs and even low carbers eat carbs?
    I didn't post in that thread but people were saying all kinds of stupid stuff about low carb diets that weren't at all true and talking trash about "low-carbers".
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member

    i like how the author talks about the meta analysis by Kreiger et al. Has he read Kreiger's current stance on the meta analysis he did?

    Scroll down to the section "A Note About Scientific Integrity"

    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=285

    Good one.

    I see what he says about the faults in the study.
    I don't understand this statement "I treated protein and carbohydrate as independent variables in my analysis. However, because low carbohydrate diets are usually high in protein, the two are not truly independent" since during the 2004 study he kept it flat at 115 so therefore increasing protein more in low carb should give a bigger benefit?

    The biggest downfall I see in the study is self reporting of calories consumed. I think this is key.

    "The bottom line is that there is no metabolic advantage to a low carbohydrate intake that is independent of a high protein intake. There is a metabolic advantage to a high protein diet, which will increase the calories you burn by 80-100 calories per day. There is also a dramatic satiety advantage to a high protein intake"

    He didn't do the study you're referencing. He did the meta analysis on low carb diets, the study you are referencing was done in 1971
  • onikonor
    onikonor Posts: 473 Member

    He didn't do the study you're referencing. He did the meta analysis on low carb diets, the study you are referencing was done in 1971

    My bad.
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
    The research on nutrition is terrible. NuSi sounds really positive so I hope it gets off the ground and they get the necessary funding to do the tightly controlled studies they're looking to do to answer these questions once and for all. Maybe just the existence of NuSi will prompt better research -- it has to be embarrassing when a journalist is telling you how to do your job.

    http://eatingacademy.com/personal/update-on-the-ancestral-health-symposium-and-nusi
    http://garytaubes.com/2012/08/metabolism-diet-and-disease-conference-update-and-a-job-posting/
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    The research on nutrition is terrible. NuSi sounds really positive so I hope it gets off the ground and they get the necessary funding to do the tightly controlled studies they're looking to do to answer these questions once and for all. Maybe just the existence of NuSi will prompt better research -- it has to be embarrassing when a journalist is telling you how to do your job.

    http://eatingacademy.com/personal/update-on-the-ancestral-health-symposium-and-nusi
    http://garytaubes.com/2012/08/metabolism-diet-and-disease-conference-update-and-a-job-posting/

    lolTaubes, it's funny how he glossed over many well designed and controlled studies when writing his books, that just so happen to disagree with his entire hypothesis
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
    The research on nutrition is terrible. NuSi sounds really positive so I hope it gets off the ground and they get the necessary funding to do the tightly controlled studies they're looking to do to answer these questions once and for all. Maybe just the existence of NuSi will prompt better research -- it has to be embarrassing when a journalist is telling you how to do your job.

    http://eatingacademy.com/personal/update-on-the-ancestral-health-symposium-and-nusi
    http://garytaubes.com/2012/08/metabolism-diet-and-disease-conference-update-and-a-job-posting/

    lolTaubes, it's funny how he glossed over many well designed and controlled studies when writing his books, that just so happen to disagree with his entire hypothesis
    lol
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    How about an article by Lyle McDonald, who wrote the book The Ketogenic Diet?:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html

    In the article, he says:
    My opinion on ketogenic diets is this: ketogenic diets are one of many (ok, three) dietary approaches available. They have advantages and disadvantages (like all diets). They are appropriate under some circumstances, relatively neutral under others, and entirely inappropriate under still other circumstances. They are not magic but they work tremendously well for some people and absolutely horribly for other. There are still questions regarding their long-term effects.

    Lyle is considered an authority in regards to Ketogenic/CKD diets. He authored a series of articles a number of years back (around 1996-97) detailing his use of Dan Duchaine's BodyOpus diet, and his experience and research led him to write The Ketogenic Diet. He has also written several other books, one of them being The Stubborn Fat Solution, which specifically addresses using a CKD in the process of cutting to low bodyfat levels. With that said, even Lyle himself posits that while Ketogenic/CKD is one possible solution, it's not the "be all and end-all" of dieting, nor is it "magic".

    I'm not pro- or anti- low carb/keto. I've used a ketogenic diet before and had success with it. I just don't trust fanatics of any persuasion who insist that their way is the one-size-fits-all best way for everybody.
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
    How about an article by Lyle McDonald, who wrote the book The Ketogenic Diet?:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html

    In the article, he says:
    My opinion on ketogenic diets is this: ketogenic diets are one of many (ok, three) dietary approaches available. They have advantages and disadvantages (like all diets). They are appropriate under some circumstances, relatively neutral under others, and entirely inappropriate under still other circumstances. They are not magic but they work tremendously well for some people and absolutely horribly for other. There are still questions regarding their long-term effects.

    Lyle is considered an authority in regards to Ketogenic/CKD diets. He authored a series of articles a number of years back (around 1996-97) detailing his use of Dan Duchaine's BodyOpus diet, and his experience and research led him to write The Ketogenic Diet. He has also written several other books, one of them being The Stubborn Fat Solution, which specifically addresses using a CKD in the process of cutting to low bodyfat levels. With that said, even Lyle himself posits that while Ketogenic/CKD is one possible solution, it's not the "be all and end-all" of dieting, nor is it "magic".

    I'm not pro- or anti- low carb/keto. I've used a ketogenic diet before and had success with it. I just don't trust fanatics of any persuasion who insist that their way is the one-size-fits-all best way for everybody.
    I read that and a lot of others when I was first looking into a low carb diet and wondering if keeping my carbs low enough for ketosis offered any benefits I couldn't get just by reducing my carbs -- it's definitely worth reading.

    I just got done watching an interview that was posted today with Peter Attia (ketogenic endurance athlete among other things) and that was a part of the discussion -- who a ketogenic diet is appropriate for. I thought it was a great interview.

    Very Low Carb Performance with Peter Attia
    http://www.dietdoctor.com/very-low-carb-performance-with-peter-attia
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    How about an article by Lyle McDonald, who wrote the book The Ketogenic Diet?:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html

    In the article, he says:
    My opinion on ketogenic diets is this: ketogenic diets are one of many (ok, three) dietary approaches available. They have advantages and disadvantages (like all diets). They are appropriate under some circumstances, relatively neutral under others, and entirely inappropriate under still other circumstances. They are not magic but they work tremendously well for some people and absolutely horribly for other. There are still questions regarding their long-term effects.

    Lyle is considered an authority in regards to Ketogenic/CKD diets. He authored a series of articles a number of years back (around 1996-97) detailing his use of Dan Duchaine's BodyOpus diet, and his experience and research led him to write The Ketogenic Diet. He has also written several other books, one of them being The Stubborn Fat Solution, which specifically addresses using a CKD in the process of cutting to low bodyfat levels. With that said, even Lyle himself posits that while Ketogenic/CKD is one possible solution, it's not the "be all and end-all" of dieting, nor is it "magic".

    I'm not pro- or anti- low carb/keto. I've used a ketogenic diet before and had success with it. I just don't trust fanatics of any persuasion who insist that their way is the one-size-fits-all best way for everybody.
    I read that and a lot of others when I was first looking into a low carb diet and wondering if keeping my carbs low enough for ketosis offered any benefits I couldn't get just by reducing my carbs -- it's definitely worth reading.

    I just got done watching an interview that was posted today with Peter Attia (ketogenic endurance athlete among other things) and that was a part of the discussion -- who a ketogenic diet is appropriate for. I thought it was a great interview.

    Very Low Carb Performance with Peter Attia
    http://www.dietdoctor.com/very-low-carb-performance-with-peter-attia

    Do some research on fat adaptation for endurance athletes
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