Providing Support to Capatarians
tumblyweed
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Pescatarian - Peeps who avoid meats but eat fish.
Vegetarian - Peeps who avoid meat.
Vegan - Peeps who avoid animal products in their diet.
Crapatarian - Peeps who eat crap. All... the... time and wonder why they are not losing weight. :huh:
I find it strange that some people have zero clue as to how they got big and what they must now do. I know that I stress eat and nosh and nosh and nosh and well...
I understand that it's a lifestyle choice, but the crap-a-tarian diet has been the hardest category to comment on when commenting on friend's diaries. They tend to ascribe to the notion that they CAN in fact, outrun their forks, like when they comment ,"wow. I'm 550 calories over again. Oh, well, I was going for a long walk today, anyway".
Don't get me wrong. I love me some fried food. However, I try to keep it in check by finding room in my diary for one treat or so once a week. I have craptarian friends who eat 4 or 5 pieces of fried food a day...:noway:
At this point I'm having a difficult time with my crapatarian friends freaking out each and every week when the scale goes up and posting how upset they are and how they don't understand because they've been working their bum off all week.
One of my crapatarian friends has a hot dog every morning for... breakfast. Do I commend them for chosing to start the day with protein, not comment, or comment and let them know they did 'craptastic!'. :drinker:
I know that my body is a 38 year old machine that needs fuel and a little tlc or it's just not working and at it's age it's a little slower to heal and to nourish. You cannot just keep track of the crap you eat, you have to change it.
How do you handle the diversity of your FL?
Vegetarian - Peeps who avoid meat.
Vegan - Peeps who avoid animal products in their diet.
Crapatarian - Peeps who eat crap. All... the... time and wonder why they are not losing weight. :huh:
I find it strange that some people have zero clue as to how they got big and what they must now do. I know that I stress eat and nosh and nosh and nosh and well...
I understand that it's a lifestyle choice, but the crap-a-tarian diet has been the hardest category to comment on when commenting on friend's diaries. They tend to ascribe to the notion that they CAN in fact, outrun their forks, like when they comment ,"wow. I'm 550 calories over again. Oh, well, I was going for a long walk today, anyway".
Don't get me wrong. I love me some fried food. However, I try to keep it in check by finding room in my diary for one treat or so once a week. I have craptarian friends who eat 4 or 5 pieces of fried food a day...:noway:
At this point I'm having a difficult time with my crapatarian friends freaking out each and every week when the scale goes up and posting how upset they are and how they don't understand because they've been working their bum off all week.
One of my crapatarian friends has a hot dog every morning for... breakfast. Do I commend them for chosing to start the day with protein, not comment, or comment and let them know they did 'craptastic!'. :drinker:
I know that my body is a 38 year old machine that needs fuel and a little tlc or it's just not working and at it's age it's a little slower to heal and to nourish. You cannot just keep track of the crap you eat, you have to change it.
How do you handle the diversity of your FL?
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Crap does not equal fat. It may equal unhealthy, but fat comes from eating too much of anything, even healthy food.0
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Firstly - what is wrong with hot dogs for breakfast (don't eat them myself as I am a vegetarian) - particularly if it fits into that persons calorie goals and macros?
Secondly, if someone is doing something I am not aligned with (and eating hot dogs for breakfast is not one of those reasons), I would try to encourage and nudge first, if that is to no avail, I either do not bother commenting or I just delete, depending on the circumstances. Simples.0 -
Firstly - what is wrong with hot dogs for breakfast (don't eat them myself as I am a vegetarian) - particularly if it fits into that persons calorie goals and macros?
Secondly, if someone is doing something I am not aligned with (and eating hot dogs for breakfast is not one of those reasons), I would try to encourage and nudge first, if that is to no avail, I either do not bother commenting or I just delete, depending on the circumstances. Simples.
If it fit, that would be fine, but it almost never does. Three hot dogs, 500 - 700 calories over... I want to support honestly without offending...0 -
Firstly - what is wrong with hot dogs for breakfast (don't eat them myself as I am a vegetarian) - particularly if it fits into that persons calorie goals and macros?
Secondly, if someone is doing something I am not aligned with (and eating hot dogs for breakfast is not one of those reasons), I would try to encourage and nudge first, if that is to no avail, I either do not bother commenting or I just delete, depending on the circumstances. Simples.
If it fit, that would be fine, but it almost never does. Three hot dogs, 500 - 700 calories over... I want to support honestly without offending...
These are not so much crapatarians as over-eaters. What they eat has less to do with it than how much they eat then.
Anyway, IMO, there are three choices
- ignore them
- say something
- defriend if it continues to bother you.0 -
I did eat a bunch of junk yesterday, but I blame it on college football!0
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I want to support honestly without offending...
So you started a thread calling them Crapatarians? Really? :noway:0 -
I want to support honestly without offending...
So you started a thread calling them Crapatarians? Really? :noway:
You make a very good point there.0 -
You know, maybe the 'crappy' food logs you see are an improvement? I mean, in the US at least, people aren't educated well enough about food, crappy food is often thought to be cheaper and people don't cook anymore. I'm in my late 30s and many of my friends are shocked that I actually cook food. I've been cooking since I could probably walk. Of course that didn't stop me from being morbidly obese but at least I grew up eating relatively healthy.
I think people need time to change and change is tough.0 -
same people who round down on how much food they are eating. they look for the option MFP
gives with the lowest calories given. French fries by brand may have different calories. I try to find the right one for unsweetened cocounut and there is a big difference in a lot. Or think Chinese food restraunts are healthy with all the vegies
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It's a cultural phenomena that is largely American. We are a product of our environment and really good advertising campaigns. You can eat "healthy" at a drive thought now if you believe the hype. Crap food is everywhere you look, in the store, on the television, on every other street corner. Fast food, chains stores. It's easy.
Our schedules dictate that we eat fast and easy to prepare food. How many people have the time to make a sit down breakfast any more? Or even dinner? Have you ever really paid attention while in the grocery store? What percentage of most stores is dedicated to healthier option? Or produce? How many stores even have fresh meat or fish sections in them these days? The store I shop at has over half of it dedicated to freezers full of processed, boxed crap. It's cheap and it's easy.
So maybe they are eating the hotdogs because they're in a hurry. Or they don't even think about. Or they have no idea how to cool. Or many they just like hot dogs. Try asking them. I find many people eat the way they do because they simply don't know any different.
You can lose weight being a "crapatarian". Keep a calorie deficit and you'll drop weight. Your over all health may be questionable, but hey, you'll fit in those skinny jeans.0 -
I want to support honestly without offending...
So you started a thread calling them Crapatarians? Really? :noway:
YUP! I bordered on being a crapatarian myself. I stress eat... crap. I was asking for suggestions because what worked for me clearly will not work for everyone.0 -
re: handling the diversity of FL. If it's a generalized wailing and I'm looking at a diary that doesn't exactly scream "AMG I WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT"...I'll say something *once* and let them do with it what they will. We're all adults here, and I don't feel it my responsibility to hector them. I always chip in and help answer specific questions if I know the answers/got something to contribute, give them props for showing up to workout, and try to say something encouraging if they're making an conscious effort in terms of health and fitness. But if I'm looking at a diary that I can't say anything nice about, if I gotta say something I'll say it once and then let it go.0
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One of my crapatarian friends has a hot dog every morning for... breakfast. Do I commend them for chosing to start the day with protein, not comment, or comment and let them know they did 'craptastic!'. :drinker:
I will sometimes eat a Snickers bar for breakfast. Does that make me 'craptastic'?
In the course of being craptastic, I've been able to lose 30 pounds and keep it from coming back. I've paid attention to my calorie intake, exercised more, and felt healthier than I ever have when I was younger.
Bottom line - why do you care so much about what other people eat? If you don't like them complaining, don't listen to them. Unless they're paying you by the hour to listen to them complain, that is.0 -
It's a cultural phenomena that is largely American. We are a product of our environment and really good advertising campaigns. You can eat "healthy" at a drive thought now if you believe the hype. Crap food is everywhere you look, in the store, on the television, on every other street corner. Fast food, chains stores. It's easy.
Our schedules dictate that we eat fast and easy to prepare food. How many people have the time to make a sit down breakfast any more? Or even dinner? Have you ever really paid attention while in the grocery store? What percentage of most stores is dedicated to healthier option? Or produce? How many stores even have fresh meat or fish sections in them these days? The store I shop at has over half of it dedicated to freezers full of processed, boxed crap. It's cheap and it's easy.
So maybe they are eating the hotdogs because they're in a hurry. Or they don't even think about. Or they have no idea how to cool. Or many they just like hot dogs. Try asking them. I find many people eat the way they do because they simply don't know any different.
You can lose weight being a "crapatarian". Keep a calorie deficit and you'll drop weight. Your over all health may be questionable, but hey, you'll fit in those skinny jeans.
Good point.0 -
I am too busy worrying about my own bad habits that need to be changed or corrected to be worried about what others are doing. We all have our struggles. You have 27 lbs to go according to your ticker. Focus on that, support your friends if you can, delete them if you can't. Life's short Doll.0
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If you're asking whether you ought to say something about their crappy diet, I say, why not? We're here to improve our health and lose weight, right? It's self defeating to eat a bunch of crap every day. Maybe they don't know their diet is bad, or maybe they don't care. But if my MFP friends had awful diets and were at the same time complaining of not losing or not feeling healthy, I would offer my gentle opinions and suggestions about how to improve their diets. They can take it or leave it. Or they can un-friend you. or you can un-friend them :-).0
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I want to support honestly without offending...
So you started a thread calling them Crapatarians? Really? :noway:
Fabulous for you that the only comment you have to offer is negating a statement of someone who appears to sincerely want to be supportive. I don't think she is being offensive. I believe her intent to be pure. She is asking how to support someone who is making clearly unhealthy choices. Just because you don't appreciate how she asked the question, does not make her question less valid.
I know that my body is a 38 year old machine that needs fuel and a little tlc or it's just not working and at it's age it's a little slower to heal and to nourish. You cannot just keep track of the crap you eat, you have to change it.
I am going to quote you on my MFP and Facebook status. I believe this highlights your point. Some folks just want to lose weight, and some strive for becoming healthier.
I want to start my day by fueling my body... added sodium and saturated fat from over processed meat is not going to do that. I could begin my day with a hot dog or eggs and whole grain toast, with a couple slices of avocado - the latter of the two meals will fill me up and won't slow me down. The hot dog will slow me down (and likely hurt my tummy).
I think what Sarauk2sf said about nudging and encouraging gently as a first step, is a good plan. I put a lot of effort into being supportive of my pals here, and it helps me to support them, but I agree, it is challenging to be supportive of folks that follow a completely opposite philosophy of what is "healthy".0 -
Fabulous for you that the only comment you have to offer is negating a statement of someone who appears to sincerely want to be supportive. I don't think she is being offensive. I believe her intent to be pure. She is asking how to support someone who is making clearly unhealthy choices.
I'm sure her friend that has a hotdog everyday feels hugely supported by this thread ...0 -
Crapatarian - Peeps who eat crap. All... the... time and wonder why they are not losing weight. :huh:
I understand that it's a lifestyle choice, but the crap-a-tarian diet has been the hardest category to comment on when commenting on friend's diaries. They tend to ascribe to the notion that they CAN in fact, outrun their forks, like when they comment ,"wow. I'm 550 calories over again. Oh, well, I was going for a long walk today, anyway".
How do you handle the diversity of your FL?
I love that as a term for some people's diet, LOVE IT!!
That being said if I had friends like that on my feed I would delete them! May sound harsh but I generally have friends with similar goals, and just eating crap isn't one of them!0 -
Well, if this friend isn't losing weight or is gaining, maybe it's time for a little tough love.Fabulous for you that the only comment you have to offer is negating a statement of someone who appears to sincerely want to be supportive. I don't think she is being offensive. I believe her intent to be pure. She is asking how to support someone who is making clearly unhealthy choices.
I'm sure her friend that has a hotdog everyday feels hugely supported by this thread ...0 -
Ditto!
Crapatarian - Peeps who eat crap. All... the... time and wonder why they are not losing weight. :huh:
I understand that it's a lifestyle choice, but the crap-a-tarian diet has been the hardest category to comment on when commenting on friend's diaries. They tend to ascribe to the notion that they CAN in fact, outrun their forks, like when they comment ,"wow. I'm 550 calories over again. Oh, well, I was going for a long walk today, anyway".
How do you handle the diversity of your FL?
I love that as a term for some people's diet, LOVE IT!!
That being said if I had friends like that on my feed I would delete them! May sound harsh but I generally have friends with similar goals, and just eating crap isn't one of them!
I like having friends with similar health and diet goals. I'm not one who subscribes to portion control on junk. I want friends who are trying to eat healthy and have an interest in really making changes in how they eat from when they got fat in the first place.0 -
Fabulous for you that the only comment you have to offer is negating a statement of someone who appears to sincerely want to be supportive. I don't think she is being offensive. I believe her intent to be pure. She is asking how to support someone who is making clearly unhealthy choices.
I'm sure her friend that has a hotdog everyday feels hugely supported by this thread ...
If they are on her friend's list, they know that her intentions are not to hurt, but to help. Just as I'm sure your intention is not to be combative, but to simply state your opinion... Perhaps you can overlook that you find the label offensive, and offer some advice regarding the issue of being supportive to those that incorporate a lot of "junk" food in their diets and expect their health to change.
Just my unsolicited advice, I know. I am honestly not trying to debate with you, but trying to help. So many folks with the best intentions get misunderstood. I am sure you can agree with that.
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As a recovering crapatarian, I know I could loose weight by just counting the calories of crap I eat. But I choose not to do so ( except for the next time I visit the Texas State Fair, which I will plan on having my normal consumption of at least one deep fried corn dog) …
So support that some one is honest enough to log what they eat and are seeking a way to lose weight … everybody has to figure it out and the only thing I jump on my friends about is the dreaded "XXXX hasn't logged in three days" news line. And cheering them on for logging exercise. and hitting milestones and NSV they share. Not found of getting negative reinforcement, much prefer positive reinforcement, so i try really hard to only post positive comments and encouragements.0 -
If they are on her friend's list, they know that her intentions are not to hurt, but to help. Just as I'm sure your intention is not to be combative, but to simply state your opinion... Perhaps you can overlook that you find the label offensive, and offer some advice regarding the issue of being supportive to those that incorporate a lot of "junk" food in their diets and expect their health to change.
Just my unsolicited advice, I know. I am honestly not trying to debate with you, but trying to help. So many folks with the best intentions get misunderstood. I am sure you can agree with that.
I think offering advice/support is an absolute minefield tbh. I wouldn't be hurt if a friend called me a crapatarian - I'd be mortified though, if they did it by starting a thread on a public forum criticising my food choices; it just seems a bit crass.
The trouble is, everyone is on a different journey ... and everyone has their lightbulb moment at a different point (and some people never have it, and a lot (most?) of people that have it lose the weight, and then their lightbulb blows ... )
There's always someone on these threads that says that a friend being brutally honest made them up their game, but I believe that for every example of this, there's a lot of other people for whom it just validates their feelings of low-worth and makes them reach for the biscuit tin ...
As Pkw58's post - cheer the NSVs and the positives, I'm sure they're berating themselves enough for the negatives.0 -
As a recovering crapatarian, I know I could loose weight by just counting the calories of crap I eat. But I choose not to do so ( except for the next time I visit the Texas State Fair, which I will plan on having my normal consumption of at least one deep fried corn dog) …
Congrats on your recovery. :drinker: What helped you?0
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