Down syndrome boy banned from AA flight

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  • A decision was made at that moment. These types of decisions are made everyday. I assume you disagree with this one, but I hardy think it is a 'sky is falling' moment.
  • BeingAwesome247
    BeingAwesome247 Posts: 1,171 Member
    Doesn't make it right and whatever happened to a little humanity and compassion??
  • Dub_D
    Dub_D Posts: 1,760 Member
    I hate when I see people with disabilities being mistreated, there is nothing worse, but I also know how unpredictable they can be at times. If he was agitated and a flight risk as they determined, I think they did nothing wrong in this situation.
  • corn63
    corn63 Posts: 1,580 Member
    I would like to know what classifies as "agitated". But if he was truly out of control, there's no reason why they should've allowed him on the flight. He posed a flight risk. That's extremely dangerous to put someone like that (agitated -- not with Down's) up in the air. What if he had broken into the pilots cabin? What if he had injured someone around him?

    Just because you have a disability, that's not a license for poor behavior in public.
  • ggcat
    ggcat Posts: 313 Member
    I would like to know what classifies as "agitated". But if he was truly out of control, there's no reason why they should've allowed him on the flight. He posed a flight risk. That's extremely dangerous to put someone like that (agitated -- not with Down's) up in the air. What if he had broken into the pilots cabin? What if he had injured someone around him?

    Just because you have a disability, that's not a license for poor behavior in public.

    ^^^I feel the same way.
  • Michelle_Nicole
    Michelle_Nicole Posts: 95 Member
    stories like this piss me off! I dont think this kid was doing anything dangerous to the flight and putting lives at risk. I have an autistic brother who is sometimes loud and when he gets frustrated he yells and carries on but is no risk to anyones safety. People need to chill out and have some damn compassion.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Per the video... he was chewing on his hat... I don't think he was a risk at all. The mom on the other hand was clearly going bat **** crazy and more agitated than their son.

    In this case alone, it does look sh*tty for the airline. Like they didn't want them in first class.
  • SyntonicGarden
    SyntonicGarden Posts: 944 Member
    If they're not giving a boy with Downs a hard time, they're doling it out to disabled veterans and their dogs... :angry: :grumble:

    http://now.msn.com/disabled-veteran-says-united-airlines-kicked-dog-and-asked-if-he-was-retarded
  • Dub_D
    Dub_D Posts: 1,760 Member
    Per the video... he was chewing on his hat... I don't think he was a risk at all. The mom on the other hand was clearly going bat **** crazy and more agitated than their son.

    In this case alone, it does look sh*tty for the airline. Like they didn't want them in first class.

    Is he actually on the plane in the Video? I can't see it for some reason. If not, there is no way for us to say he was or was not a flight risk.
  • Michelle_Nicole
    Michelle_Nicole Posts: 95 Member
    I would like to know what classifies as "agitated". But if he was truly out of control, there's no reason why they should've allowed him on the flight. He posed a flight risk. That's extremely dangerous to put someone like that (agitated -- not with Down's) up in the air. What if he had broken into the pilots cabin? What if he had injured someone around him?

    Just because you have a disability, that's not a license for poor behavior in public.

    I understand what you mean and I agree that I would like to know how "agitated" he was. But from personal experiance with my brother some people exaggerate how bad a disabled persons behavior can be. I once had Peter with me at the market and he got upset when I wouldnt buy him something, he hollered and dropped tha candy bar on the ground but I calmed him down in less then 5 minutes. Some worker came up to me and told me we had to leave as Peter was disturbing the other customers and asked us not to come back. A lot of people just look at those with disabilities and assume they will do something terrible
  • SGT_Reg
    SGT_Reg Posts: 186 Member
    I don't see how this is worthy of news coverage. Should be between the family and the airline, and their lawyers if need be.
  • Puhlease. He was not agitated, was an experienced flyer and if he is 'threat' - then the airlines need to reinforce their cockpit doors. The airline also went out of their way to bar him from this flight AND placed him and his parents in the very last row in Coach class of the next flight - and made sure no one was seated around them.

    I have a young adult with special needs - I don't know how this mom kept it together. Thankfully, most of the airport security and airline employees I have encountered have treated my daughter with respect, compassion and patience.

    My husband was lucky enough to get upgraded to first class and was sat right in front of two screaming kids who alternated kicking the seat and running up and down the aisle. You think they got kicked off?
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    I don't see how this is worthy of news coverage. Should be between the family and the airline, and their lawyers if need be.

    Dude, right? I mean... Kate Middleton's boobs are all over. FOCUS PEOPLE!
  • corn63
    corn63 Posts: 1,580 Member
    My husband was lucky enough to get upgraded to first class and was sat right in front of two screaming kids who alternated kicking the seat and running up and down the aisle. You think they got kicked off?

    Don't even get me on my soapbox about kids on flights.
  • BeingAwesome247
    BeingAwesome247 Posts: 1,171 Member
    Obviously the video only shows a small portion, however the parents say he's an experienced flyer and in the video, he's calmly sitting in a chair...playing with his hat.

    I went to school with two boys with down syndrome and NOT ONCE in TWO YEARS did I ever see them agitated. They were two of the sweetest kids I've ever known and MAJORITY of kids with down syndrome don't have an aggressive bone in their body.

    The difference between this flight and ever other was that they booked 1st class tickets....I don't think that's just coincidence


    And I'm curious...being that this is a fitness site...would ppl get more upset by someone overweight not being allowed on the flight b/c they didn't purchase a 2nd seat?
  • TangledUp_InBlue
    TangledUp_InBlue Posts: 397 Member
    Just because you have a disability, that's not a license for poor behavior in public.

    I think I know what you're trying to say, but many kids on the spectrum (like my son) can't control their emotions and behavior like most can. He can't regulate himself like others.
  • roachhaley
    roachhaley Posts: 978 Member
    You do not have a god given right to fly on an airplane. It is a private enterprise and they can choose who flies and who doesn't. Sorry, but that's how it is.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Per the video... he was chewing on his hat... I don't think he was a risk at all. The mom on the other hand was clearly going bat **** crazy and more agitated than their son.

    In this case alone, it does look sh*tty for the airline. Like they didn't want them in first class.

    Is he actually on the plane in the Video? I can't see it for some reason. If not, there is no way for us to say he was or was not a flight risk.

    They never let him on the plane. He wasn't "removed" as a flight risk, so no... the footage is not on the plane.

    But of course there's no way anyone would know for sure, she was, in fact, told she's not allowed to video the situation :)
  • BeingAwesome247
    BeingAwesome247 Posts: 1,171 Member
    If they're not giving a boy with Downs a hard time, they're doling it out to disabled veterans and their dogs... :angry: :grumble:

    http://now.msn.com/disabled-veteran-says-united-airlines-kicked-dog-and-asked-if-he-was-retarded

    I heard about this!! It's just sad :frown: and adds to my personal long list of reasons I wont' fly
  • wewon
    wewon Posts: 838 Member
    Wondering, how many people would be okay sitting in the middle seat of a 3 hour flight next to someone that was acting out on their impulses if he/she wasn't your own child or sibling?
  • You do not have a god given right to fly on an airplane. It is a private enterprise and they can choose who flies and who doesn't. Sorry, but that's how it is.

    No one is asking for or expecting a 'God given right to fly on an airplane'. How about just a modicum of respect and some compassion?

    Is it too much to ask?
  • roachhaley
    roachhaley Posts: 978 Member
    You do not have a god given right to fly on an airplane. It is a private enterprise and they can choose who flies and who doesn't. Sorry, but that's how it is.

    No one is asking for or expecting a 'God given right to fly on an airplane'. How about just a modicum of respect and some compassion?

    Is it too much to ask?

    If someone was misbehaving on an airplane, someone who DIDN'T have a special condition, I bet you'd have no issue of them getting kicked off. Just something to think about.
  • corn63
    corn63 Posts: 1,580 Member

    And I'm curious...being that this is a fitness site...would ppl get more upset by someone overweight not being allowed on the flight b/c they didn't purchase a 2nd seat?

    Nope. I've sat in a seat with someone else spilling into my seat. I asked the Stewardess to move me. I didn't pay for my seat to be shared with someone else.

    Besides, being overweight is, mostly, a choice. Having a mental disability, is not. Apples and oranges.
  • You do not have a god given right to fly on an airplane. It is a private enterprise and they can choose who flies and who doesn't. Sorry, but that's how it is.

    No one is asking for or expecting a 'God given right to fly on an airplane'. How about just a modicum of respect and some compassion?

    Is it too much to ask?

    If someone was misbehaving on an airplane, someone who DIDN'T have a special condition, I bet you'd have no issue of them getting kicked off. Just something to think about.

    That's my point. (two points actually) He wasn't misbehaving and there are plenty who DO misbehave and aren't kicked off.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    You do not have a god given right to fly on an airplane. It is a private enterprise and they can choose who flies and who doesn't. Sorry, but that's how it is.

    No one is asking for or expecting a 'God given right to fly on an airplane'. How about just a modicum of respect and some compassion?

    Is it too much to ask?

    If someone was misbehaving on an airplane, someone who DIDN'T have a special condition, I bet you'd have no issue of them getting kicked off. Just something to think about.

    You're basically saying that the mentally disabled should be able to control things they can't... I guess I don't even understand your argument? It's why laws and the ADA exists to protect the rights of those that can not control such behaviors.
  • smtillman2
    smtillman2 Posts: 756 Member
    Just want to point out that this "news" story was reported by Perez Hilton. That's all.
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
    stories like this piss me off! I dont think this kid was doing anything dangerous to the flight and putting lives at risk. I have an autistic brother who is sometimes loud and when he gets frustrated he yells and carries on but is no risk to anyones safety. People need to chill out and have some damn compassion.

    I would agree, but it's not always easy for the onlooker to have the same level of insight that you have regarding his level of threat or risk. An autistic person doesn't have any particular distinctive appearance that would clue the onlooker to the disability (like Down's Syndrome does).

    What looks to you like your harmless autistic brother having a passing tantrum may look to me like a "normal" person screaming and freaking out. That's the kind of thing that makes the flying public very very nervous.
  • thelovelyLIZ
    thelovelyLIZ Posts: 1,227 Member
    I would like to know what classifies as "agitated". But if he was truly out of control, there's no reason why they should've allowed him on the flight. He posed a flight risk. That's extremely dangerous to put someone like that (agitated -- not with Down's) up in the air. What if he had broken into the pilots cabin? What if he had injured someone around him?

    Just because you have a disability, that's not a license for poor behavior in public.

    THIS. Without knowing exactly what classified as "agitated" and why the call was made, it's hard to determine if I agree or disagree with the choice or not. If they truly felt he posed a flight risk because he was agitated, then removing him from the flight was the right call. I've first hand witnessed the temper tantrums mentally disabled can throw, and they can very easily become violent and out of control without warning. I worked at a camp where we literally had to lock a fourth grader in the bathroom (not by himself, obviously, with two or three other adults) because he was out of control and that was the only way to contain him until his mother came.

    If it was just based on his disability alone, then that is obviously wrong, But if he looked like he could potentially pose a flight risk then yes, it was the right call.
  • ncprasad
    ncprasad Posts: 32 Member
    Just because you have a disability, that's not a license for poor behavior in public.

    I think disabled people deserve a little more tolerance and I wish people were more educated about people with mental disabilities before they comment.

    From Wikipedia, "The average IQ of young adults with Down syndrome is around 50, compared to children without the condition with an IQ of 100"

    The video doesn't suggest that there was anything extreme with his behavior and I really don't think the boy with limited cognitive ability was using his disability as a license to make trouble.
  • roachhaley
    roachhaley Posts: 978 Member
    You do not have a god given right to fly on an airplane. It is a private enterprise and they can choose who flies and who doesn't. Sorry, but that's how it is.

    No one is asking for or expecting a 'God given right to fly on an airplane'. How about just a modicum of respect and some compassion?

    Is it too much to ask?

    If someone was misbehaving on an airplane, someone who DIDN'T have a special condition, I bet you'd have no issue of them getting kicked off. Just something to think about.

    That's my point. (two points actually) He wasn't misbehaving and there are plenty who DO misbehave and aren't kicked off.

    Really? Youve REALLY seen someone misbehaving on an airplane that wasn't thrown off? Just the other day I saw someone get kicked off because they were talking rudely to a flight attendant. It isn't discrimination - it's policy.