read a weird thing about skim milk...
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Well I don't know about you but the reason I got fat had everything to do with the fact I could not stop shoveling food into my pie whole. Either that or I have defied the laws of physics...
You are one of my new heroes.0 -
sandhillsmom,
THANK YOU for being the voice of SANITY on the skim milk issue!
(of course, being a teacher, you want to help folks see the TRUTH of the matter!)
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I don'tdrink it for the low cals, more so because wholemilk f***s my stomach all to pieces. Always has. But this is interesting....research must be done!
This happens to me too! Anything with cow fat in it does, actually.
I like skim milk. It tastes good. It has a lot of nutrients I otherwise wouldn't get.
Saying that skim milk is fattening because a cup has ~13g of sugar in it is like saying any fruit is fattening because of all of the sugar in it...
And dear lord, sugar is NOT evil. Some people (like myself) require enough to avoid getting to hypoglycemic. Diabetics need it to avoid, you know, DEATH sometimes.
BUT, there is a point to be made. Typically speaking, fats + proteins help most people feel full with less. Think about the difference between eating ice cream and eating an egg.
Actually not all Diabetics, I don't track sugar whatsoever just concentrate on my carbs, proteins, and fats. Now for me and my diabetes it comes down to the kind of carbs I am eating....0 -
Just buy whole milk and water it down. Tadaa!!! Skim milk without all the extra sodium, sugar, and extra hormones!0
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I don'tdrink it for the low cals, more so because wholemilk f***s my stomach all to pieces. Always has. But this is interesting....research must be done!
This happens to me too! Anything with cow fat in it does, actually.
I like skim milk. It tastes good. It has a lot of nutrients I otherwise wouldn't get.
Saying that skim milk is fattening because a cup has ~13g of sugar in it is like saying any fruit is fattening because of all of the sugar in it...
And dear lord, sugar is NOT evil. Some people (like myself) require enough to avoid getting to hypoglycemic. Diabetics need it to avoid, you know, DEATH sometimes.
BUT, there is a point to be made. Typically speaking, fats + proteins help most people feel full with less. Think about the difference between eating ice cream and eating an egg.
Actually not all Diabetics, I don't track sugar whatsoever just concentrate on my carbs, proteins, and fats. Now for me and my diabetes it comes down to the kind of carbs I am eating....
Hence the "sometimes." I have found it's much more common in Type I diabetics, especially when they're younger.
When a diabetic goes into a diabetic coma, regulation is to give 15 g of sugar to try to spike the blood glucose back up to a functioning level. Many diabetics are a normal weight and want to participate in a "normal" life that doesn't revolve around being anal about their foods, and sometimes the insulin dosage is a bit off and they develop beginning hypoglycemia. When you're in that position, what are you going to do? Have some sugar to spike it back up to where you can function again or eat some whole-wheat toast and wait before you start to feel better, potentially missing out on a fun day? When properly managed it doesn't happen, but growing up one of my friends was a type I and she *had* to have some sugar in the morning to get her blood sugar back up to a functioning level. It would also happen during school.
I'm not saying ALL diabetics NEED simple sugars CONSTANTLY. I'm simply saying it isn't evil and has its uses, especially for diabetics.
And while I'm not diabetic, recently some medication has been interfering with my blood sugar. It gets pretty low- I can tell because of how sick I feel when I don't eat after a while (like overnight or during longer labs- I can't eat every 3 hours all the time)- and while I'm 5 hours away from my Dr going to college, I'm going to use sugars such as those from raisins to avoid feeling shaky, sick, weak, and distracted. Nothing wrong with that. I'm perfectly healthy in other areas (besides some stubborn stomach fat that is due to genetics, mostly, and the fact that my Dearest Significant Other and I like to go out on dates frequently).
I'm also perfectly aware that some people don't use sugars responsibly and spike their blood sugar only to have it fall and they end up feeling like ****. I'm also perfectly aware that some people are more genetically prone to this than others. If you don't eat a lot of sugar and it makes you feel better, great! But my point is that it is basically a necessity for several other people.
Nutrition is hardly ever a "one size fits all" thing.0 -
Skip meat. Skip dairy. Heal the Earth. Live long and prosper.
I'll do my part this weekend when I thin the deer population. I'm keeping the population in check and I get to eat yummy venison! Win!0 -
i wondered about this because i've gotten so much flack from atkins lovers over the years for my love of nonfat milk, so at work (starbucks) i compared all our milks. nutritionally speaking nonfat and whole milk were about the same when it came to sugar and nonfat only had 1 more gram of protein, the best value (calories/protein/sugar) was actually 2%. it had more protein, same amount of sugar or maybe 1 more gram (not a huge difference), and lower cals than whole milk and only slightly more than nonfat.
my conclusion was that while i LOVE the texture of nonfat (i'm a weirdo i know), i'll be sticking to 2% so i can get my protein fix. totally worth it.0 -
Haven't heard this before. Interesting...But, I personally think Dr. Oz is a quack.
However, this SORT of makes sense as some milk manufacturers put sugar sweeteners in skim milk to make up for the flavor profile that the fat gives to low or full fat milk. I drink 1% but I'm curious now to see what the sugar levels are when I go to the store next time JUST to see...
I'd like to know where you get skim milk that is sweetened. The only sweetener in any milk is Lactose and it occurs naturally. You can buy lactose free "milks," but they are not cow's milk. Oz is a quack.0 -
Any reason to NOT drink skim milk is okay by me, but that's just because I think it's disgusting. :laugh:
However, I'm pretty sure that if you keep watching Dr. Oz for a couple more weeks, that'll be enough time for him to come back with a ton of data on why you should ONLY drink skim. He doesn't actually study the data he throws around -- he just has his minions gather it so he has new crap to spew every time he's on the air.
Hey -- what's that noise?? Does someone have DUCKS in here??0 -
There is actually more lactose (milk sugar) pr. unit in skim milk than in whole milk. 4.8 grams in 100 grams of skimmed milk vs 4.6 grams in 100 grams of whole milk, according to the official nutrition table in two Scandinavian countries. This makes sense, as the other contents of the milk will be more concentrated, when you remove the fat. There's for instance 3.3 grams protein in skimmed milk vs 3.2 grams in whole milk - so the protein content is slightly higher, too.
While this means people who claim skimmed milk has more sugar aren't exactly lying, their truth is so small it's silly. If you drink a whole liter of skimmed milk, you'll get 2 grams more lactose than a person who drinks a whole liter of whole milk. If that is a problem, your carb restrictions must be beyond extreme.0 -
i used to drink skim milk before, i stopped because it's disgusting and watery. now i drink low fat milk, and when i don't have that, full fat will do. It's worth spending another 40-50 calories for milk that tastes like MILK.0
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I don't know how old you are but have you ever considered what an excessive sugar load will do to your metabolism in the long term?
I'm 41, I can see that my poor dietary choices got me to where I was, and it wasn't just about calories in/out.
You are funny. I am 45 and as you can see, am perfectly fine. I have also drank a lot of milk all my life. My metabolism is great and per my recent DEXA scan I have off the charts good bone density. Any other questions?
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Skim milk has 12 gram of sugars, all milk sugars
1% milk has 13 grams of sugar, all milk sugars
2% milk has 12 grams of sugar, all milk sugars
whole milk has 12 grams of sugar, all milk sugars
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I can not get past this. It is really bugging my brain. WHERE the extra 1 gram come from in the 1%?0 -
I don'tdrink it for the low cals, more so because wholemilk f***s my stomach all to pieces. Always has. But this is interesting....research must be done!
This happens to me too! Anything with cow fat in it does, actually.
I like skim milk. It tastes good. It has a lot of nutrients I otherwise wouldn't get.
Saying that skim milk is fattening because a cup has ~13g of sugar in it is like saying any fruit is fattening because of all of the sugar in it...
And dear lord, sugar is NOT evil. Some people (like myself) require enough to avoid getting to hypoglycemic. Diabetics need it to avoid, you know, DEATH sometimes.
BUT, there is a point to be made. Typically speaking, fats + proteins help most people feel full with less. Think about the difference between eating ice cream and eating an egg.
Actually not all Diabetics, I don't track sugar whatsoever just concentrate on my carbs, proteins, and fats. Now for me and my diabetes it comes down to the kind of carbs I am eating....
Eeeehhh - if you track your carbs you track sugar. Sugar, starch, fructose, it's all sugars and it's all carbohydrates. Sugar is made from carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, same as all other carbohydrates. It's what gives them the name carbo (carbon) hydrate (mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, which is the same contents as in water, which is why we talk about hydrating if we drink water, or dehydrated if we lack water.)0 -
Thanks everyone - I put the disclaimer about Dr. Oz in there specifically because I know that what he tends to promote is spurious at best. I don't watch his show and I don't tend to buy into what he suggests. I honestly thought that the comment was interesting.
I don't mind skim milk, but I think that I may go back to 1% at home. I find it more filling and for 20 more calories, I'd rather drink something that's more filling....0 -
Humans don't have the enzymes to digest lactose" this is at least true for 70% of the worlds population http://www.cambridge.org/us/books/kiple/lactose.htm0
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I didnt realise lactose free milk is way lower in calories, so I've switched to that as well as I have IBS so I cant drink milk. I can see how it might make sense maybe calorie compare to pure milk from a farm to mass processed and see if theres a difference.0
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Humans don't have the enzymes to digest lactose" this is at least true for 70% of the worlds population http://www.cambridge.org/us/books/kiple/lactose.htm
The number is closer to 60%, but for those with European ancestry, the number is actually around 10%. Your point?0 -
Dr. Oz is an idiot.
Granted I typically drink whole milk or 2%, there is nothing wrong with skim. They all have a rather large amount of sugar so you should take that into account when you're consuming it, but to say it's more fattening than another version of milk is a joke.0 -
Skip meat. Skip dairy. Heal the Earth. Live long and prosper.
live small and feeble........0 -
I have switched to almond milk...40 cal/cup and as much calcium as regular milk. Good in protein too.0
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I drink skim just because the higher fat content in the others leaves an unpleasant film on the inside of my mouth. BLECH! :sick:0
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Dr. Oz is retarded. When you take the fat out of skim milk he's right that there is still 12-13g of lactose per cup, which is sugar. However, there is still 12-13g of lactose in the 1% and 2%. The sugar doesn't just magically become more fattening after the fat is removed.0
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Skip meat. Skip dairy. Heal the Earth. Live long and prosper.
I'll do my part this weekend when I thin the deer population. I'm keeping the population in check and I get to eat yummy venison! Win!
I vow to also do my part in healing the earth. I will help reduce greenhouse gasses by eating cows.0 -
I think if I remember right from article I read. He said he personally only drinks 2% because when they make skim milk it takes out only the fat. So he drinks 2% because the ratios for fat/carbs/sugar is balanced.0
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thanks about the info on sugar in milk. i like to drink milk but i also count my sugar. i heard it was good for weight loss and for your skin0
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Skip meat. Skip dairy. Heal the Earth. Live long and prosper.
live small and feeble........
Vegan bodybuilding, google it.0 -
Skim milk has 12 gram of sugars, all milk sugars
1% milk has 13 grams of sugar, all milk sugars
2% milk has 12 grams of sugar, all milk sugars
whole milk has 12 grams of sugar, all milk sugars
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I can not get past this. It is really bugging my brain. WHERE the extra 1 gram come from in the 1%?
If you have 100ml of liquid, and take away the fat, then the 100ml without the fat will have a higher concentration of protein and sugars.0 -
Saturated Fat gives you Diabetes?????????????
Where did you get that nonsense from??????????0 -
Drink whatever milk you prefer. I think skim milk is repulsive, but I have nothing against other people drinking it. It's fine. Stories like this are just designed to get attention to sell advertising. Don't play in to it.
Cue:
"Humans are the only animals that drink milk of another animal"
"saturated fat gives you diabetes"
"Cow's milk has too much sugar"
"Humans don't have the enzymes to digest lactose"
"Drink Raw milk"
"Drink whole milk"
"Drink whole raw milk"
"Milk is full of pus"
"Dairy farming is abusive"
"Soy is evil, drink anything but soy milk!"
"Milk makes you fat, it's designed to make a calf grow rapidly in to a cow"
Just thought I'd head off all the stupid arguments bound to show up here....
Saturated Fat gives you Diabetes?????????????
Where did you get that nonsense from??????????0
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