Crossfit Website claims bbing only works with steroids
Determinednoob
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From Cross fit Website:
If you train the WODs hard, and eat right and get lots of sleep, you will definitely gain lean mass, lose fat, and yes, you can build muscle mass with the crossfit protocol. More specifically, according to Coach,
Here is a hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy:
1. Bodybuilding on steroids
2. CrossFitting on steroids
3. CrossFitting without steroids
4. Bodybuilding without steroids
The bodybuilding model is designed around, requires, steroids for significant hypertrophy.
The neuroendocrine response of bodybuilding protocols is so blunted that without "exogenous hormonal therapy" little happens.
The CrossFit protocol is designed to elicit a substantial neuroendocrine whollop and hence packs an anabolic punch that puts on impressive amounts of muscle though that is not our concern. Strength is.
Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don't come close.
Those athletes who train for function end up with better form than those who value form over function. This is one of the beautiful ironies of training.
If you train the WODs hard, and eat right and get lots of sleep, you will definitely gain lean mass, lose fat, and yes, you can build muscle mass with the crossfit protocol. More specifically, according to Coach,
Here is a hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy:
1. Bodybuilding on steroids
2. CrossFitting on steroids
3. CrossFitting without steroids
4. Bodybuilding without steroids
The bodybuilding model is designed around, requires, steroids for significant hypertrophy.
The neuroendocrine response of bodybuilding protocols is so blunted that without "exogenous hormonal therapy" little happens.
The CrossFit protocol is designed to elicit a substantial neuroendocrine whollop and hence packs an anabolic punch that puts on impressive amounts of muscle though that is not our concern. Strength is.
Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don't come close.
Those athletes who train for function end up with better form than those who value form over function. This is one of the beautiful ironies of training.
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mfw.0
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Crossfit.
Just say no.0 -
pretty old post. I saw it a while back.
It's BS. Crossfit sucks and only the top level guys actually look jacked.
Hell the top crossfitter in the world is like 175 pounds.............. so tell me it works better than bodybuilding.0 -
pretty old post. I saw it a while back.
It's BS. Crossfit sucks and only the top level guys actually look jacked.
Hell the top crossfitter in the world is like 175 pounds.............. so tell me it works better than bodybuilding.
not to mention real oly or powerlifting.0 -
Strength and size are not always the same thing. You will never see a bulky free climber. But the strength they have is amazing. One arm hangs and pull ups all day long.
Thankfully, I am far too old to be concerned about bulk or free climbing :bigsmile:0 -
I think I missed whatever point you are trying to make here.0
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I go pick up my co-op share every other Saturday at what looks like a mechanic's garage converted to a Crossfit "gym". I've seen them in there jumping up and down doing what looks like squat thrusts while throwing around barbells like loons. No wonder it seems like they're always injured. No thank you. I'll stick with my heavy lifting (WITH proper form), eating right, and sleeping as much as I can, thank you.0
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I think I missed whatever point you are trying to make here.
No real point. Only lulz.0 -
i did crossfit for a year, it was a lot of fun. you won't get huge bulky muscles, you will get lean muscle mass which is much more attractive in my opinion.0
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Ahh crossfit...so awesome that we keep gettin ex crossfitters in our gym with ridiculous injuries wanting to learn to lift correctly...
Deadlifts for time....lolwut!0 -
I think the more accurate claim is that people who train like NFL running backs or free safeties end up looking better than both groups. They tend to train for power, strength, hypertrophy, and endurance. It also helps to have the right parents. Exhibit A: Adrian Peterson.0
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Strength and size are not always the same thing.
You want to tell that to the folks over at Crossfit. From the information given in the OP they go on about the "hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy" putting Xfit without steroids above body building routines based on that funny thing called "hypertrophy" yet then bewildering go on about " The CrossFit protocol is designed to elicit a substantial neuroendocrine whollop and hence packs an anabolic punch that puts on impressive amounts of muscle though that is not our concern. Strength is." which is completely different to the point of the hierarchy before saying " Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don't come close." which is back to the original point and utter nonsense.0 -
Caught some of the women's competition last night on ESPN and I'm convinced they're all roided up, especially that Korean lady. I'm 1/2 Korean, grew up around Koreans, and no Korean looks like that.
I respect Crossfit as there's some solid aspects of it that will increase your athleticism if done in a healthy way. Most of the folks that I see doing it have no technique, are not "jacked", but flaccid looking and fat. I seen too many "kids" 18-25 year olds trying to do crossfit stuff and hurt themselves.
The ones that I know that are in excellent shape, are or were already top performing athletes in other sports like Ironman, or a pro sports. For example, my wife's cousin played collegic and professional football, is 5'7 180lbs with 4% body fat. He's now 28 been that way since he was 18. His entire family is built the same way so there's genetics there also.
Hey I think this was my first post? This is a great site. Lots of great info from the community here.0 -
I do a mix of both. I know some of the Xfit stuff would rip my shoulders out if i did it consistently. I have seen plenty of body builders that would struggle to do one pull up. My genetics are such that I am build for speed, quickness and intensity. Some are built for raw size and power. People are suited for different things. You don't see a wide receiver playing on the offensive line and you dont see a lineman playing wide receiver.0
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I do a mix of both. I know some of the Xfit stuff would rip my shoulders out if i did it consistently. I have seen plenty of body builders that would struggle to do one pull up. My genetics are such that I am build for speed, quickness and intensity. Some are built for raw size and power. People are suited for different things. You don't see a wide receiver playing on the offensive line and you dont see a lineman playing wide receiver.
I'm not sure what kind of bodybuilders you are talking about. I am not really big or strong, and I can do 10+ pullups fresh. Maybe you mean recreational power lifters who don't care about bodyfat.0 -
It all depends on what your overall goals are guys. If you are wanting to be a big ball of mass then lift away, if you are looking to have that long lean ripped body then you have to be able to do more than lift barbells.0
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It all depends on what your overall goals are guys. If you are wanting to be a big ball of mass then lift away, if you are looking to have that long lean ripped body then you have to be able to do more than lift barbells.
Yeah you have to lift barbells and keep your fat low. Works much better than injuring yourself to the point that you can't do anything.0 -
I do a mix of both. I know some of the Xfit stuff would rip my shoulders out if i did it consistently.
The difference is: you have a clue. Beginners do not. They do not understand that all Xfit has really done is repackage and market some basic moves which they put together under some fancy titles like "Mary J Blige" or whatever. Nothing new or exclusive about these moves to Xfit although you would be forgiven in thinking that was the case.
They then proceeded to throw out some core principles like they weren't important: specificity, suitable load and progression, good form. Key things in an effective routine and key to keeping people safe. They then charged punters for the privilege.
I remember when Xfit first came to mainstream attention back in 2004 / 2005. The marketing and practices that came along with it were mind boggling. You had elderly and untrained individuals doing the same things as intermediate or advanced trainees without any reference to loading parameters or suitable progression. Completely ridiculous...
Don't think I am hating on Xfit. In many ways it is a positive thing as it brings the benefit of resistance training to a wider audience.
But, for the love of everything holy, keep your people safe and enough with the cult like behaviour which puts injury in place of basic principles.0 -
Seen this beforeNatural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don't come close.
Just too funny.
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i did crossfit for a year, it was a lot of fun. you won't get huge bulky muscles, you will get lean muscle mass which is much more attractive in my opinion.
thats diet. not programming.0 -
It all depends on what your overall goals are guys. If you are wanting to be a big ball of mass then lift away, if you are looking to have that long lean ripped body then you have to be able to do more than lift barbells.
Yeah you have to lift barbells and keep your fat low. Works much better than injuring yourself to the point that you can't do anything.
agreed.
you can be lean and ripped by lifting barbells and eating correctly.0 -
Please find me a BBer that cant do a pullup.
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I'd have to actually see where this was posted in the wild before I'm outraged by it. Seems like one of those inflammatory statements where nobody knows who actually said it, if it was said at all. Or it's representative of one knucklehead, and not the entire organization.
Everybody in the magazines is juicing, so they have a point about that. I wish I had known that 20 years ago before I burned myself out trying to follow those insane training routines. 3 days on, 1 day off, 2 bodyparts a day almost killed me back then. You mean it's not normal to have shouders bigger than your head? Ooooooh.
But to me, the training protocols for Crossfit (which I don't do but love, btw), make the atheletes strong and fit but actually prevent them from getting too big. Hard to big without juicing doing that much activity.
Based on muscle growth potential only, I'd order it:
BB on roids
CF on roids
BB natural
CF natural
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read that wrong...nm0
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cool...double post off an edit.0
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Please find me a BBer that cant do a pullup.
Seriously interested
Actually, I have his back on on this, no pun intended. I know many, many decent lifters where if you challenged them to do pullups or pushups, you'd be seriously disappointed by their performance. They use the rowing machine and do lat pull downs primarily, and no matter how much of the stack you use on those machines, a pull up is a whole different animal. Hell, I used to be guilty of this myself. Even now I can give you 100 pull ups, dips and pushups in a session, but I've been trying to do my first muscleup for 2 months now and I'm not even close.0 -
I'd have to actually see where this was posted in the wild before I'm outraged by it. Seems like one of those inflammatory statements where nobody knows who actually said it, if it was said at all. Or it's representative of one knucklehead, and not the entire organization.
Everybody in the magazines is juicing, so they have a point about that. I wish I had known that 20 years ago before I burned myself out trying to follow those insane training routines. 3 days on, 1 day off, 2 bodyparts a day almost killed me back then. You mean it's not normal to have shouders bigger than your head? Ooooooh.
But to me, the training protocols for Crossfit (which I don't do but love, btw), make the atheletes strong and fit but actually prevent them from getting too big. Hard to big without juicing doing that much activity.
Based on muscle growth potential only, I'd order it:
BB on roids
CF on roids
BB natural
CF natural
Elliptical
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/faq.html#General4
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Weeeeelp, there it is, right on their main site. Pretty stupid, I'd say, even tho I still agree with their general point on steroids. In the past I've been much bigger than most of their elite competitors and I've never touched a drug of any type.
Overall, it still doesn't bother me much. Every group that believes in their regimen has a list of magical benefits that make their protocol oh so much better than every other protocol. Doesn't matter if we're talking about lifting styles, or cardio, or intermittent fasting, or paleo, or low carb, or deadlifting. Every group will go off the deep end with the wizard *kitten*. I take from them what I can and leave the rest. Plenty of room out there for all of us.
edited to add: Forgetting my manners. Thanks for providing the link. Much appreciated.0 -
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