Strength Training FRUSTRATION!!!!!!

So frustrated!!!

I've been doing cardio throughout my weight loss journey (30-40 mins stationary bike 4-5 times per week) and while this is fine for me and i'm motivated to do it (most of the time) i've been told by a few people lately that i should also be doing strength training as i'll only be losing muscle on my bike and not fat!!!!!!

Firstly is this true?!?!?!?!!?!!!!! I've never been a particularly strong person physically, but i don't feel any weaker than i always have, so surely i can't be losing that much muscle from this method of working out????

Strength training is hard for me- in that i don't feel as motivated to do it because i have no idea what i'm doing.

Is it really so important? or can i just stick to what i know??
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  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    So frustrated!!!

    I've been doing cardio throughout my weight loss journey (30-40 mins stationary bike 4-5 times per week) and while this is fine for me and i'm motivated to do it (most of the time) i've been told by a few people lately that i should also be doing strength training as i'll only be losing muscle on my bike and not fat!!!!!!

    Firstly is this true?!?!?!?!!?!!!!! I've never been a particularly strong person physically, but i don't feel any weaker than i always have, so surely i can't be losing that much muscle from this method of working out????

    Strength training is hard for me- in that i don't feel as motivated to do it because i have no idea what i'm doing.

    Is it really so important? or can i just stick to what i know??
    Yes it's important. If you don't know how to lift, then I suggest you get a qualified trainer. I don't mean one that will direct you straight to a machine. You want to find one that instruct you to lift weights correctly.
  • Joannie30
    Joannie30 Posts: 415 Member
    I'm not working at the moment so i don't have money for personal trainers/big weights etc.

    Why is it so important? Its not really in my goals to look like a bodybuilder or a fitness model etc. I just want to be a bit more healthy. I don't really care about being super-strong (i've never been strong but i wouldn't say i'm super weak either) i'm relatively ok with my own level of strength. I thought cardio was the way forward for being healthy.....

    Are my resistance bands not enough?
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    I'm not working at the moment so i don't have money for personal trainers/big weights etc.

    Why is it so important? Its not really in my goals to look like a bodybuilder or a fitness model etc. I just want to be a bit more healthy. I don't really care about being super-strong (i've never been strong but i wouldn't say i'm super weak either) i'm relatively ok with my own level of strength. I thought cardio was the way forward for being healthy.....

    Are my resistance bands not enough?
    To keep it simple. Muscle burns fat.
    Are my resistance bands not enough?
    You're better off doing body weight exercises.
  • Joannie30
    Joannie30 Posts: 415 Member
    I know that muscle burns fat, but doesn't cardio do that too?

    Where would i even start with bodyweight exercises????
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    I know that muscle burns fat, but doesn't cardio do that too?

    Where would i even start with bodyweight exercises????
    Exercise is stressful to the body, ALL forms of exercise. The difference between just doing cardio and lifting weights is when you lift weights you produce testosterone. Testosterone blunts cortisol production. Too much cortisol production CAN lead to fat gain.

    When you lift weight you build lean muscle (with the correct amount of calories). Muscle tissue burns more calories than fat. That means your RMR or resting metabolic rate is increased. Hence you become a fat burning machine.
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    I know that muscle burns fat, but doesn't cardio do that too?

    Where would i even start with bodyweight exercises????

    In a sense yes cardio burns fat, but couple that with too large of a deficit and no strength training, and you will also wind up burning lean muscle mass along with that fat. Then when you keep losing more, you will have to keep eating less and less since lean muscle mass dictates metabolism. If you strength train and retain some of that lean mass, then you will lose primarily fat instead of fat/llmm, and your metabolism will be better.

    As far as bodyweight exercises go, do a google search. There is a book called you are your own gym that is dedicated to bodyweight exercises.
  • Joannie30
    Joannie30 Posts: 415 Member
    I know that muscle burns fat, but doesn't cardio do that too?

    Where would i even start with bodyweight exercises????
    Exercise is stressful to the body, ALL forms of exercise. The difference between just doing cardio and lifting weights is when you lift weights you produce testosterone. Testosterone blunts cortisol production. Too much cortisol production CAN lead to fat gain.

    When you lift weight you build lean muscle (with the correct amount of calories). Muscle tissue burns more calories than fat. That means your RMR or resting metabolic rate is increased. Hence you become a fat burning machine.

    I have PCOS and as a result of that my testosterone levels are slightly higher than normal women's are anyway. The last thing i want to do is increase them even further!!!!! I'm trying to reduce them as it is!

    This makes me even more confused......

    Thanks for your info though.
    Jx
  • ChaosBomb
    ChaosBomb Posts: 5 Member
    Hi,

    Just posting quickly to say that unless you train in a specific way and eat to support it (and even then) you won't get bulky. Women don't produce enough of the hormones necessary to look like that without a lot of help (not even PCOS levels of testosterone).

    Muscle is important because it will give you a good shape and your body will be burning calories at a higher level <b>all the time</b>. Cardio will help decrease fat but weight training will make sure there's something wonderful underneath it.

    Not to mention that it increases bone density which reduce the risk of osteoporosis later in life, which is a big problem for women.
  • nicolabradley87
    nicolabradley87 Posts: 95 Member
    Hi

    Muscle training is important, although fat burning is only a small part of it. Cardio exercise is generally repetitive and leads to injuries, particularly if muscle strength / stability isn't good enough.

    HOWEVER strength training does not have to involve heavy weights or any equipment at all. Done correctly you can work all the muscles you need to using your own body weight and household items!

    Good examples:
    Squats
    Lunges
    Tricep Dips
    Press Ups (start leaning against a wall and progress to on the floor)
    Bicep Curls (with bottles of water)
    Shoulder Presses (with bottles of water)
    Plank
    Calf Raises
    Hamstring Curls (without weight or put heavy boot/shoe on)
    Lying hip exercises (lifting leg up backwards and to side whilst lying on front/side)
    Sit ups (although you should always pull your tummy muscles in whilst doing this to get the best core workout as well as abs)

    Muscle training shouldn't be your focus though, continue to do mostly cardio and add in 2-3 20 min sessions of muscle work a week.
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    Hi,

    Just posting quickly to say that unless you train in a specific way and eat to support it (and even then) you won't get bulky. Women don't produce enough of the hormones necessary to look like that without a lot of help (not even PCOS levels of testosterone).

    Muscle is important because it will give you a good shape and your body will be burning calories at a higher level <b>all the time</b>. Cardio will help decrease fat but weight training will make sure there's something wonderful underneath it.

    Not to mention that it increases bone density which reduce the risk of osteoporosis later in life, which is a big problem for women.
    Beat me to it.
  • mrtoaster
    mrtoaster Posts: 90 Member
    Can cardio burn muscle? Yes, but under extreme circumstances. For the average person doing exercise and trying to get fit it is not a problem, most people confuse burning muscle with burning Glycogen, which is stored within the muscle. What you won't do is really add any muscle doing cardio. Doing some strength training will tone your muscles and make you look more healthy.
  • Joannie30
    Joannie30 Posts: 415 Member
    Hi

    Muscle training is important, although fat burning is only a small part of it. Cardio exercise is generally repetitive and leads to injuries, particularly if muscle strength / stability isn't good enough.

    HOWEVER strength training does not have to involve heavy weights or any equipment at all. Done correctly you can work all the muscles you need to using your own body weight and household items!

    Good examples:
    Squats
    Lunges
    Tricep Dips
    Press Ups (start leaning against a wall and progress to on the floor)
    Bicep Curls (with bottles of water)
    Shoulder Presses (with bottles of water)
    Plank
    Calf Raises
    Hamstring Curls (without weight or put heavy boot/shoe on)
    Lying hip exercises (lifting leg up backwards and to side whilst lying on front/side)
    Sit ups (although you should always pull your tummy muscles in whilst doing this to get the best core workout as well as abs)

    Muscle training shouldn't be your focus though, continue to do mostly cardio and add in 2-3 20 min sessions of muscle work a week.

    Thanks!

    I've never had any injuries of any kind doing my cardio. I'll try and give those exercises a go.
  • bufger
    bufger Posts: 763 Member
    Joannie it sounds like you're saying whatever you need to in order to get out of strength training. Just dont do it if you dont want to, nobody is making you and nobody is saying you have to. It will make your journey easier if you do but thats a decision you will have to make.
  • Joannie30
    Joannie30 Posts: 415 Member
    Joannie it sounds like you're saying whatever you need to in order to get out of strength training. Just dont do it if you dont want to, nobody is making you and nobody is saying you have to. It will make your journey easier if you do but thats a decision you will have to make.

    No. I'm not saying whatever i have to to get out of it. I'm trying to address the issues i have with it and gain a bit of knowledge from helpful comments so that i can learn where to start and how to do it properly.

    :cry:
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
    Joannie,

    First let me tell you that I am a trainer, and also certified in Olympic Weight Lifting (by the US Olympic Weight Lifting team), so you can be relatively sure I'm not anti-weight training.

    So credentials out of the way, I will tell you that the information you were given was incomplete and somewhat of a lie by omission.

    Weight training IS an important part of any exercise routine, as cardio basically does 2 things for you, it builds endurance (if you work moderately hard or harder) and it burns extra calories at the time of exercise (and for a very short time after, about 1/2 an hour to 1 hour). So that being said, cardio doesn't necessarily cause you to burn "muscle and not fat" per say. But if you are in a large deficit, one that is triggering excess muscle burning, and you increase that deficit with cardio, this will burn a higher percentage of muscle.
    We all burn muscle in deficit, it's the percentage of energy derived from burning muscle that can be altered. Someone on a small deficit, who utilizes both cardio and weight training effectively will burn the smallest percentage of muscle mass (say 5 to 10 % of weight loss will be lean mass loss).

    So why does weight training minimize this? Because muscle in use, being repaired, or in recovery from a recent workout is spared from catabolism (burning lean protein in this case).

    Please note, if your deficit is to large, you will still burn excess lean mass even if you weight train, it'll just come from areas that you don't use or train as often.

    Yes, muscle is metabolically active (1 lb of muscle at rest burns about 6 calories a day, 1 lb of fat burns about 1), but that's not the issue, or I should say, the issue with this is the human body is genetically programmed to recognize a state of famine and will reduce inefficiencies. The body sees unused muscle as an inefficient way to burn calories, so it will try to remove it. Thus, work a muscle and it won't be targeted for removal when in high caloric deficit.

    As to where to start. The great thing about weight training, is that it's you against you, don't worry about what others are doing. Start with some simple exercises like body weight squats (find out the right form please, squats are great, but easy to do wrong) then progress into weighted squats. Things like lunges, pushups then progressing into plyometric pushups, under hand grip pull ups (assisted at first probably) and overhand pullups (also assisted at first), all kinds of core work, and arm work (underhand pullups are arm work but...).

    If you don't have the money for a gym or a trainer, these are great starting points while you research and become more familiar with resistance training. You don't have to go to the gym and put up as much weight as you can to be building muscle. There's plenty of activity that will do this without picking up a weight. Start slow, doing a few things every other day. Eventually you'll work up to the point where you want to put a full 45 minutes of work together.

    Hope this helps,

    -Banks
  • nicolabradley87
    nicolabradley87 Posts: 95 Member
    Well if you want any further exercises, or how to make them harder, or to work on specific areas let me know!

    I would recommend starting with 10 of each exercise and running through twice.
  • gombolyu
    gombolyu Posts: 136 Member
    I downloaded ChaLean Extreme from here: http://tutolearning.com/chalean-extreme-workout-dvd-program-burn-fat-boost-your-metabolism-get-lean/

    It's a super way to start strenght training. You can use resistance bands as well, and there are separate videos to show you the proper form. I really love it.

    I have never immagined before that I will love strenght training, but I do. And I even burn more calories with it than during "just" cardio sesions.
  • BlackTimber
    BlackTimber Posts: 230 Member
    Gaining muscle mass should be your biggest goal now and forever. Muscle mass supports your joints and increases your metabolism. And as a women, you will not get big and bulky, you will just get leaner and stronger. You will also increase bone density at the same time. Weight training can be a lot more fun than cardio if you are always trying to get stronger. Every time you get to increase the weight you have met another goal. It can be very satisfying.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    get the 30 DS for starters

    anyone who says the 30 DS isn't enough for a beginner hasn't actually done it and I bet half the people who tell you lifting heavy is the only way to go couldn't even keep up with it
  • bufger
    bufger Posts: 763 Member
    Joannie it sounds like you're saying whatever you need to in order to get out of strength training. Just dont do it if you dont want to, nobody is making you and nobody is saying you have to. It will make your journey easier if you do but thats a decision you will have to make.

    No. I'm not saying whatever i have to to get out of it. I'm trying to address the issues i have with it and gain a bit of knowledge from helpful comments so that i can learn where to start and how to do it properly.

    :cry:

    Apologies then.

    Its equally about nutrition and the strength training. Protein intake is very important but also eating your workout calories is important in lifting. You may be used to not eating your workout cals but if you want to lift and increase your metabolism you'll have to get your head around the fact that you dont need to do an hour of cardio and you can eat more calories than you have been (good calories - veg and meats etc). Dont be intimidated by all the testosterone filled huge guys at the gym as most of them are there to show off and do very little. You'll quickly learn that most of the machines are for very specific workouts, you'd be better to work on squats, presses and all of the core lifting excersises.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    Gaining muscle mass should be your biggest goal now and forever.

    total bull****
  • ChaosBomb
    ChaosBomb Posts: 5 Member
    Do you have any friends at the gym who would be able to help you? Or does it have a trainer who will do one free session? When I joined they took me round the machines (as an insurance precaution) but it was enough to get me started at least...

    Or even look up body weight exercises. I know there are a couple of really good site that do these workouts.

    If you don't like doing it, don't (no point being unhappy), but it can be a wonderful addition to your exercises.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    I'm trying to gain a bit of knowledge from helpful comments so that i can learn where to start and how to do it properly.

    :cry:

    Since you are completely uneducated on the subject, I would recommend STRONGLY following an established program. You can look into the Convict Conditioning and YAYOG (You are your own gym) programs online right away. I would also say that you should save up a bit of money and buy Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. It will give you the best foundation in strength training education you could possibly want.
  • mom2handh1975
    mom2handh1975 Posts: 224 Member
    Ultimately, the only exercise that works is the exercise that you will actually do. If strength training scares you and you don't know where to start, then you probably just won't do it. Resistance bands have added a LOT of definition to my arms and back. I use a Wii video game to guide me. I also have tons of muscle in my legs from squats and lunges (also from the game). I just started going to a gym last week, and I was terrified on my first day. The owner showed me how to use the machines, helped me figure out how much weight I should be using, and showed me proper form. For FREE! Just do what you can do, because in my experience, the PERFECT life and REAL life are very different. Get a sweat on and you'll see results. :smile:
  • Feisty_Red
    Feisty_Red Posts: 982 Member
    I dont know if someone already mentioned this but you burn more in a resting state and burn state
    Obviously when you have more muscle mass. Also cardio will not reshape your body

    Weight training is also very good for bone density! If you don't have money for a gym you can just get free weights and even check Craig's list or rummage sales for used ones. People dump them all the time.

    However..you need to challenge yourself..throwing around the same 5 pound weight for months will not help you.

    Form is also key. Ask for advice or watch you tube videos and pratice form. Before you even have your weights in hand.

    You would be surprised how much you like it...once you start doing it. I'm hooked :)
  • professorRAT
    professorRAT Posts: 690 Member
    Strength training is the only thing that helped me get the results I was looking for. You don't have to start heavy, as previous poster said. Try some good body weight exercises like push-ups and squats. Here is an article about fat vs. weight loss that may interest you: http://stronglifts.com/weight-loss-vs-fat-loss-are-you-sure-you're-losing-fat/. I wouldn't worry about getting bulky, even men have to deliberately work VERY hard to bulk up, it doesn't happen easily.

    There are many benefits to this as well. I had the beginnings of osteoporosis caused by a medicine I take and I reversed it with weight training. It is good for your bones, muscles, posture, metabolism, balance...I really think you will be pleased with your progress. Good luck!
  • Joannie30
    Joannie30 Posts: 415 Member
    Thanks to all for your helpful comments. I need all the help i can get with this area as i have literally no clue where to start.

    Thanks again!
    Jx
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Anaerobic exercise like strength training has many benefits. One thing it does is to signal your body to burn fat. So when you do your cardio, you workout will be more effective. Start with calesthenics and body weight exercises. They are quick and require no special equipment. And so long as your body fat percentage doesn't go too low, you won't look muscley at all.
  • Joannie30
    Joannie30 Posts: 415 Member
    Any idea what a good weight is to start out with? I have a kettlebell (still trying to learn proper form) and it's 3kg. Is this enough for a beginner?
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Gaining muscle mass should be your biggest goal now and forever.

    total bull****

    No doubt! How you gonna tell someone else what *their* goals ought to be? Weird. :noway: