systems analysis
i want to get into systems analysis, but i don't want to go back to school full-time atm. from my research it says computer sciences is the way to go. anyone here in IT, systems or business analysis?
i am excellent with computers and find myself constantly utilized to consult on new databases and implement desired changes in programs, and think i may be on to something with doing this.
any tips?
i am excellent with computers and find myself constantly utilized to consult on new databases and implement desired changes in programs, and think i may be on to something with doing this.
any tips?
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You can probably get into IT as an analyst without any college at all, but, if you're planning on going to college anyway, you should think bigger.0
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Hard to say from my end. I can tell you industry wide (medicine) there is a serious shortage of Systems Analysts that can speak clinical language. I have been diving into it and having medical background is huge and what many employers are looking for.0
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Hard to say from my end. I can tell you industry wide (medicine) there is a serious shortage of Systems Analysts that can speak clinical language. I have been diving into it and having medical background is huge and what many employers are looking for.
i currently have a psych degree and am sorta well versed in medical jargon, i am working with a clinical (mental health) team now, and all the "systems analysis" i have done has been for non-profits, that's why i am totally unsure of what to do.
i am cool without going to college at all....if there are any tips on what i should teach/train myself that would be great too!0 -
Learn Linux and/or Unix. There are free unix dists out there like freeBSD.Hard to say from my end. I can tell you industry wide (medicine) there is a serious shortage of Systems Analysts that can speak clinical language. I have been diving into it and having medical background is huge and what many employers are looking for.
i currently have a psych degree and am sorta well versed in medical jargon, i am working with a clinical (mental health) team now, and all the "systems analysis" i have done has been for non-profits, that's why i am totally unsure of what to do.
i am cool without going to college at all....if there are any tips on what i should teach/train myself that would be great too!0 -
You can probably get into IT as an analyst without any college at all, but, if you're planning on going to college anyway, you should think bigger.
You really need to know someone if you are going to go into IT without the proper training or applicable experience. I agree that you should look bigger if you go back to college. With a psych degree you can get a masters in comp sci assuming you are willing to take the bridge classes.0 -
Learn Linux and/or Unix. There are free unix dists out there like freeBSD.
Very right, many companies are switching over to linux and unix based systems, if they're not there already. Mainly distros like RedHat.0 -
I am a Systems/Business/Data Analyst and think Computer Sciences, Information Systems or Information Technology will be the courses/programs you would want to take. While you can learn a lot of stuff online from free resources, unfortunately most jobs that are posted will not accept people without a Bachelor in one of those things, a diploma from a credited college, or some type of certificate related to the field. A lot of people also find this stuff harder to self-learn so having someone to guide you/show you a new way to look at it when you get stuck can be a huge help.
Good luck!0 -
You really need to know someone if you are going to go into IT without the proper training or applicable experience. I agree that you should look bigger if you go back to college. With a psych degree you can get a masters in comp sci assuming you are willing to take the bridge classes.
^^This is true.0 -
You can probably get into IT as an analyst without any college at all, but, if you're planning on going to college anyway, you should think bigger.
You really need to know someone if you are going to go into IT without the proper training or applicable experience. I agree that you should look bigger if you go back to college. With a psych degree you can get a masters in comp sci assuming you are willing to take the bridge classes.
i think i could get the experience though, if i teach myself more. i am completely self taught in what i do know, and it isn't much but i really pick up computers and databases easily. i think i will self teach myself some more applicable things like linux, unix, c++, sql, etc. i know i CAN be really good at this, i am just rough around the edges.0 -
also, i don't know if i can apply for a masters in computer science with a ba in psych. but i will look into it.
there are a few web courses that i am thinking about applying for in january, just to get me started. if anyone has anytime to look at these and tell me which ones you think would get me off the ground faster i'd really appreciate it.
all the ones with the 'w' beside them would be the ones i can currently apply for:
http://calendardb.humber.ca/LIS/WebCalendar/CE/SubjectArea/details.do?name=Computer+Technology0 -
You can probably get into IT as an analyst without any college at all, but, if you're planning on going to college anyway, you should think bigger.
You really need to know someone if you are going to go into IT without the proper training or applicable experience. I agree that you should look bigger if you go back to college. With a psych degree you can get a masters in comp sci assuming you are willing to take the bridge classes.
i think i could get the experience though, if i teach myself more. i am completely self taught in what i do know, and it isn't much but i really pick up computers and databases easily. i think i will self teach myself some more applicable things like linux, unix, c++, sql, etc. i know i CAN be really good at this, i am just rough around the edges.
When I said experience I meant experience on the job. I am sure you can teach yourself the subject matter but that doesn't mean so much when you are competing with people that have a degree in comp sci or have real world experience.0 -
When I said experience I meant experience on the job. I am sure you can teach yourself the subject matter but that doesn't mean so much when you are competing with people that have a degree in comp sci or have real world experience.
^^ This is also true. I have my degree in this field, and have been working in it for about 4 years, with 3+ years previous experience in technology support. I still find it hard to compete for jobs posted, as they usually require 5 years experience at least. And that 5 years experience is near impossible to get without a piece of paper.
In my experiences, and the experiences of many of my classmates.0 -
You can probably get into IT as an analyst without any college at all, but, if you're planning on going to college anyway, you should think bigger.
You really need to know someone if you are going to go into IT without the proper training or applicable experience. I agree that you should look bigger if you go back to college. With a psych degree you can get a masters in comp sci assuming you are willing to take the bridge classes.
i think i could get the experience though, if i teach myself more. i am completely self taught in what i do know, and it isn't much but i really pick up computers and databases easily. i think i will self teach myself some more applicable things like linux, unix, c++, sql, etc. i know i CAN be really good at this, i am just rough around the edges.
When I said experience I meant experience on the job. I am sure you can teach yourself the subject matter but that doesn't mean so much when you are competing with people that have a degree in comp sci or have real world experience.
while i don't think my experience is groundbreaking, it is "real world experience", i have experience designing web surveys aftering teaching myself html in one of my research assistant positions (paid) and accomplished my supervisors request when her grad students told her that it couldn't be done on that specific website. i have consulted on two databases now, in both of my paid jobs. one of them i mastered in less than a month, self-taught, and made program revisions.
i know with the appropriate training i could go really far, but i don't think it is fair to insinuate that i don't have real world experience. i am utilized for my computer skills nearly everywhere i go....yet have no formal training! and i feel used quite frankly because i know i could be even better at it while making way more than i am right now.0 -
You can probably get into IT as an analyst without any college at all, but, if you're planning on going to college anyway, you should think bigger.
You really need to know someone if you are going to go into IT without the proper training or applicable experience. I agree that you should look bigger if you go back to college. With a psych degree you can get a masters in comp sci assuming you are willing to take the bridge classes.
i think i could get the experience though, if i teach myself more. i am completely self taught in what i do know, and it isn't much but i really pick up computers and databases easily. i think i will self teach myself some more applicable things like linux, unix, c++, sql, etc. i know i CAN be really good at this, i am just rough around the edges.
When I said experience I meant experience on the job. I am sure you can teach yourself the subject matter but that doesn't mean so much when you are competing with people that have a degree in comp sci or have real world experience.
while i don't think my experience is groundbreaking, it is "real world experience", i have experience designing web surveys aftering teaching myself html in one of my research assistant positions (paid) and accomplished my supervisors request when her grad students told her that it couldn't be done on that specific website. i have consulted on two databases now, in both of my paid jobs. one of them i mastered in less than a month, self-taught, and made program revisions.
i know with the appropriate training i could go really far, but i don't think it is fair to insinuate that i don't have real world experience. i am utilized for my computer skills nearly everywhere i go....yet have no formal training! and i feel used quite frankly because i know i could be even better at it while making way more than i am right now.
It is certainly not my intention to discourage you or appear mean/arrogant. I am just telling you the expectations at the companies I have worked for in the past. If you have a lot of experience then re-frame your resume towards an IT position and talk up your IT experience. Post it on Monster.com and see what happens. Worst case you get no bites and you are still where you are now. Lots of places will take a chance on an entry level employee with a degree that can at least seem to know what they are talking about in the interview.0 -
I still have to agree with lour441. Like I said, I also have real world experience (and like you, I am always utilized for my computer skills, trouble shooting skills, and the fact that I pick things up fast and am able to self-learn) AND a degree in this field but it is still VERY hard to get good work without a degree, certificates, diploma, SOMETHING.I am just telling you the expectations at the companies I have worked for in the past. If you have a lot of experience then re-frame your resume towards an IT position and talk up your IT experience.
This is also my experience in all of my job searches in this field. If you want to make "way more" then you will have a hard time without a course or some training to talk up.0 -
this happens in allllll fields. i want to take courses people, if you have any time (i would really really appreciate it) could you look at that link i posted previously. it lists a bunch of web courses from a college. i was thinking of taking the java, linux type courses, but if you think i could benefit from learning more in other courses i would love to hear.
i have never taken a computer course, with exception to word and excel in college (it was mandatory), so i don't really know where to start in the academic world.0 -
also, thanks for the tips0
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Business Analysis and Systems Analysis are very different things.
Think about the industry you want to work in, and loom for companies local that may offer a "training scheme" for new people.
I've been a self employed IT contractor who has worked in medical research & development, financial companies and telecommunications companies, each job is very different in what is required, for example business analysis you would be looking for trends and patterns in data, whereas systems analysis sounds more like looking into the hardware/software side of the business rather than how the business is performing.
I would disagree from personal experience about learning unix etc if you want to be part of business analysis, 99% of the companies out there still use Windows, and the Office packages to produce reports and analysis on the numbers. Hell some of them still use mainframe stuff for computer programming.
One thing I will also say is that courses are all well and good but if you can get in at a trainee level then you have a better chance in the future, I am completely self taught and have been doing my work for over 17 years, 12 of which self employed - and I've pretty much always been in work.0 -
You can probably get into IT as an analyst without any college at all, but, if you're planning on going to college anyway, you should think bigger.
You really need to know someone if you are going to go into IT without the proper training or applicable experience. I agree that you should look bigger if you go back to college. With a psych degree you can get a masters in comp sci assuming you are willing to take the bridge classes.
i think i could get the experience though, if i teach myself more. i am completely self taught in what i do know, and it isn't much but i really pick up computers and databases easily. i think i will self teach myself some more applicable things like linux, unix, c++, sql, etc. i know i CAN be really good at this, i am just rough around the edges.
When I said experience I meant experience on the job. I am sure you can teach yourself the subject matter but that doesn't mean so much when you are competing with people that have a degree in comp sci or have real world experience.
while i don't think my experience is groundbreaking, it is "real world experience", i have experience designing web surveys aftering teaching myself html in one of my research assistant positions (paid) and accomplished my supervisors request when her grad students told her that it couldn't be done on that specific website. i have consulted on two databases now, in both of my paid jobs. one of them i mastered in less than a month, self-taught, and made program revisions.
i know with the appropriate training i could go really far, but i don't think it is fair to insinuate that i don't have real world experience. i am utilized for my computer skills nearly everywhere i go....yet have no formal training! and i feel used quite frankly because i know i could be even better at it while making way more than i am right now.
Really with the people you would be competing with for jobs, that is not much experience. It will be nearly impossible to compete against people with degrees who also usually have real world experience amounting in hundreds of hours of work. I know at my company we won't even consider somebody without a degree. It isn't totally out of the question that you could find a job without the degree behind it, but it is not a simple thing.0 -
I took a look at the courses on the link you provided and think you could probably get some use out of the few courses on various databases and design. Analysts don't typically do programming, but require a background knowledge of how the programming side works. If you truly want to become a Systems Analyst you will probably want to look into a specific Systems Analysis & Design course, which I do not see listed there.
Here is the basic outline you should look for in a Systems course that will cover the basics you would need:
http://www2.athabascau.ca/syllabi/comp/comp361.php
I hope that helps! Good luck
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this happens in allllll fields. i want to take courses people, if you have any time (i would really really appreciate it) could you look at that link i posted previously. it lists a bunch of web courses from a college. i was thinking of taking the java, linux type courses, but if you think i could benefit from learning more in other courses i would love to hear.
i have never taken a computer course, with exception to word and excel in college (it was mandatory), so i don't really know where to start in the academic world.
If you have to pay for the courses on the list and they do not lead to a degree or something you can put on your resume (so you can get a job) then I would say they are all a waste of money.
If you just want to take some online classes to learn new stuff then check out this link...
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
MIT puts a lot of their classes online for free. Just chose something and enjoy. I would suggest starting with Introduction to Computer Science and Programming and going from there.
If you want classes to lead to a job then I would suggest finding out if your BA classes will roll into a BS in IT and go back to school. It would be worth it.0 -
this happens in allllll fields. i want to take courses people, if you have any time (i would really really appreciate it) could you look at that link i posted previously. it lists a bunch of web courses from a college. i was thinking of taking the java, linux type courses, but if you think i could benefit from learning more in other courses i would love to hear.
i have never taken a computer course, with exception to word and excel in college (it was mandatory), so i don't really know where to start in the academic world.
If you have to pay for the courses on the list and they do not lead to a degree or something you can put on your resume (so you can get a job) then I would say they are all a waste of money.
If you just want to take some online classes to learn new stuff then check out this link...
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/
MIT puts a lot of their classes online for free. Just chose something and enjoy. I would suggest starting with Introduction to Computer Science and Programming and going from there.
If you want classes to lead to a job then I would suggest finding out if your BA classes will roll into a BS in IT and go back to school. It would be worth it.
I like a class format, especially because I haven't had the opportunity to do formal training before I want the opportunity to have extra help and motivation from my peers if i need it.
thanks for the link though, i will check it out when i get home for sure.
also: i can and will put any class on my resume. I have 21 workshops listed on my resume that have impressed so many employers into interviewing me. This is on top of my degree and college diploma.
I know it is hard to find work, but it is just as hard with a degree I feel, in any field. I appreciate everyone's advice and it has given me much to think about.0
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