Weight gain despite being good

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  • dorothytd
    dorothytd Posts: 1,138 Member
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    Yeah, i don't buy into the starvation mode thing either, but i didn't think weight gain from exercise would be so rapid, and disheartening...

    It can quite easily!, from what i can gather you've only just started JM's DVD's, and so your convcerned about the immediate weight gain?! That is normal, if your not an exersize junkie, than any new routine will cause you to put on weight when you start, but it's water... just good old H2O, where you've worked those muscles you've put little micro tears in them and each one of those is repaired by 1g of glycogen and 4g water!

    I exersize a fair ammout already and i started p90x and gained 4lbs overnight!.... you'll drop as quickly as you gained so dont sweat it!....

    Also can people stop banding around 'starvation mode' and explain what it is clearly, not that your body will hold onto all of its fat or start producing fat... for those who are still unsure, it's the ration of fat to muscle loss... if your pushing yourself too hard your body will make up the difference and instead of consume fat, consume muscle and lean tissue (as it's easier and releases the energy it needs more quickly), and you want to preserve muscle as this is what fuels your metabolism (to over simplify)... so in a week your 2lbs of loss could be 1.8lbs of fat 0.2lbs of good muscle or 1.8lbs of muscle and 0.2lbs of fat... we all know which we'd prefer!

    Hope that helps!

    Simon x

    GOOD STUFF! Thanks for saving me some typing! And good luck OP - keep at it and it will show up.
  • californiagirl2012
    californiagirl2012 Posts: 2,625 Member
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    I seem to have got heavier this week, despite exercising more and eating like a saintly mouse. I'm always telling people on hear not to worry about this, so today i need it back Pleeease. I'm 5'10 for goodness sakes and i feel like if i cut down any more it will make me feel ill, but progress is so slow! tell me if i do the shred every day i WILL be a lean mean fitness machine! ......Rant Over.....for today.......

    Hmm... seems like this was exactly what I just read in another thread...

    Yes, if you are sore this is DOMS and it can last up to 10 days. It's part of the process.

    You are right, once you get close to maintenance it's time to ditch the scale. I've been maintaining over a year now and I finally ditched the scale this year in January and I've never been happier. It's quite an inferior tool. I do not take measurements anymore either. All that matters is how I look in the mirror, pictures, and how my clothes fit. This is how life was meant to be and I am going to enjoy it. The scale and metrics tends to steal the joy.

    If you are still in the weight loss phase:

    Your body loses weight in chunks, not linear. I have found that you can do everything right and your weight loss seems to plateau but if you are patient and keep exercising and eating at a deficit (however slight) you will lose it, it will suddenly "whoosh". There are so many variables for the scale; water retention, digestion, hormones, allergies, sodium, carbs, water intake, DOMS, inflammation, the list goes on. People mistakenly think they lose or gain weight when they eat more or less because of these fluctuations.

    Losing weight requires tremendous patience. You will not lose it when you want it or where you want it. The body does its thing. Some apparent plateaus can last a month or so. You cannot make it happen faster. You must focus on two things; calories and exercise. Nothing else matters. Scales and metrics don't matter. The day in and day out grind of exercise and calories are all that matters. It is not very exciting until things fall into place. You get your victories and you ride one victory to the next.

    The scale is a trend tool. The scale is good but put it away and only check once a week and only use it as a trend tool. It will fluctuate, it does not matter. Take front side and back progress pictures at least once a month. You will see differences that the metrics won't tell you and it's that little bit of NSV that will keep you going until the next victory.

    Progress is S-L-O-W-E-R when you get leaner:

    Once I got leaner I had to taper UP my calories. The leaner you get the less of a calorie deficit your body can handle. It needs to be a long slow shallow deficit. For me still under a doctor’s care, this is around 1000-1200 calories because I am so short, petite, and am under 12% body fat where I truly can go into starvation mode if I ate under 1000 calories. I have supporting documentation below.

    You are taller so you you can eat much more.

    The leaner you get the less your body has to draw from and then you have to taper up your calories. There is no such thing as starvation mode for woman over 12% body fat or men over 6% body fat. I pretty much proved that for myself by staying strong and building muscle and doing what I did. I'm the leanest, most muscular, and most fit that I have ever been in my life at almost 52 years old. My doctor looked at my blood work throughout my journey and it remained fine even with “taking breaks from eating” for periods of time and eating less. Even now at less than 12% body fat everything is A-OKAY. I am healthy, active, and vibrant, muscular not skinny. I have never had eating disorders nor do I now.
    What is the exact number of calories for you?

    We’ve been trying to figure out an exact NUMBER of calories that everyone should be eating, without recognizing that everyone is slightly different. In truth, the calories aren’t the end game. Your body is. So the EXACT amount of Calories that are right for you is the EXACT amount that will allow you to maintain your ideal bodyweight no matter what some calculator or chart says.

    In other words, an online calculator might tell you that you need to eat 2,500 calories
    per day to maintain your ideal bodyweight. But the only way to know for sure if this is
    the right amount for you is to test it out. If you gain weight or can’t lose weight eating
    that much, then you know you need to eat less to lose weight no matter how many
    calculators and text books say otherwise.

    This doesn’t mean your metabolism is broken, it just means the estimate of your needs
    was just a bit off.

    -John Barban (The Body Centric Calorie Guide from the Venus Index and Adonis Index Manuals)

    The Theory of Fat Availability:
    •There is a set amount of fat that can be released from a fat cell.
    •The more fat you have, the more fat can be used as a fuel when dieting.
    •The less fat you have, the less fat can be used as a fuel when dieting.
    •Towards the end of a transformation, when body fat is extremely low you
    may not have enough fat to handle a large caloric deficit anymore.

    At the extreme low end, when your body fat cannot ‘keep up’ with the energy deficit
    you've imposed on your body, the energy MUST come from SOMEWHERE. This is
    when you are at risk of losing lean body mass during dieting (commonly referred to
    as ‘starvation mode’). This happens at extremely low levels of body fat, under 6% in
    men and 12% in women [Friedl K.E. J Appl Phsiol, 1994].

    -Brad Pilon and John Barban (from The Reverse Taper Diet in The Adonis Index and Venus Index manuals)
  • helkitty72
    helkitty72 Posts: 3 Member
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    Susie, it happens to us all when we are caning it at the gym-I started New Rules of Lifting for Women and have gained 3lbs but people keep saying I look like I've lost weight! I am gutted when I look at the scales, but for the first time in my life I can abs! So hang on in there, the exercise will be the cause (unless it's a certain time!) and it will shift eventually.
  • susiemou
    susiemou Posts: 47 Member
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    What's your standard calorie intake and macros, and what's your exercise regime?
    Calorie goal is 1200 and i'm usually under, so i agree with previous posters, that as i'm not overeating i can't really be gaining fat/weight. Have just started doing the shred and i walk quite a bit, run occasionally and netball every other week. Don't know what macro's are :huh:
  • susiemou
    susiemou Posts: 47 Member
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    Susie, it happens to us all when we are caning it at the gym-I started New Rules of Lifting for Women and have gained 3lbs but people keep saying I look like I've lost weight! I am gutted when I look at the scales, but for the first time in my life I can abs! So hang on in there, the exercise will be the cause (unless it's a certain time!) and it will shift eventually.

    I know i need to do more weights etc and commit more. I used to be really fit in my 20's and everything was so easy then, i guess i am adjusting to being 41 also :sad:
  • susiemou
    susiemou Posts: 47 Member
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    No public diary to verify statement? Girl bai.
    What???? Did i ask to be called a liar because i thought that might be fun today?
    My friends can see my diary. Just ask......

    Who called you a liar?
    Well what did you mean then? If you're just stirring, i hope you have a nice day.
  • wifealiciousness
    wifealiciousness Posts: 179 Member
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    I had my 100 day login yesterday and have overall been on average 5000 calories per month under my target... I exercise and eat well and although I've lost 7lb, there are MANY weeks that I put on or stay the same. It's crappy and makes you feel rubbish, but keep at it- it's worth it! (Also 5ft 10)
  • jonesin_am
    jonesin_am Posts: 404 Member
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    If you don't buy into the "starvation mode" think about it like this: if you don't give your body the nourishment it needs you will not get the most out of your workouts. Your body needs the extra energy when upping your exercise.
  • firstsip
    firstsip Posts: 8,399 Member
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    No public diary to verify statement? Girl bai.
    What???? Did i ask to be called a liar because i thought that might be fun today?
    My friends can see my diary. Just ask......

    Who called you a liar?
    Well what did you mean then? If you're just stirring, i hope you have a nice day.

    Girl, I can only imagine you're so angry because of how hungry you are. You come in complaining about weight but no one can see your diary to advise: that goes for too many calories OR too few. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
  • vabchloser
    vabchloser Posts: 223 Member
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    I'll do everything right - log 1350 calories a day, run 12 miles a week, walk 10 miles...6 days after my weigh in, it will show me being the same, then BAM on day 7, it finally drops.

    This has happened the last two weeks. It can be mentally draining!
  • wtfusernameisnttaken
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    If you just started doing 30DS - You're going to be building muscle mass, best to measure yourself and watch the inches melt off. I measured Bust, Waist, Hip, Thigh, Neck, and upper arms. Lemmie tell ya, doin' 30DS the inches fell off, but the scale hardly moves. So I KNOW I'm losing FAT. Stick with it. You're doing good.
  • knk1553
    knk1553 Posts: 438 Member
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    What's your standard calorie intake and macros, and what's your exercise regime?
    Calorie goal is 1200 and i'm usually under, so i agree with previous posters, that as i'm not overeating i can't really be gaining fat/weight. Have just started doing the shred and i walk quite a bit, run occasionally and netball every other week. Don't know what macro's are :huh:

    I've found personally for myself that 1200 is too low, I'm only 5'3 and I'm eating 1350 a day and this is temporary to hopefully shed some body fat, then I'll probably up to around 1500-1600 a day. If you're going to be eating 1200 you should make sure you eat back all your exercise calories. I don't really do the whole "starvation mode" thing, but I really think you aren't eating enough, especially if you're going to be working out pretty regularly. I find that even some days 1350 is too low for me. Try upping your calories by 150-200 a day for a week or two and see what happens. Also take pictures and measurments, my weight hasn't really changed in 2 months, but in pictures you can tell I've definitely toned up and gotten more defined.
  • snha
    snha Posts: 388 Member
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    Yeah, i don't buy into the starvation mode thing either, but i didn't think weight gain from exercise would be so rapid, and disheartening...

    You know what, neither did I. That is until one day about a moth ago when my weight loss stopped altogether even though I should have been loosing 2 pounds a week. I did follow the advice of eating my calories back for three days and the weight started shedding like crazy. I am a strong believer of eating your exercise calories back now. Please try it regardless of what you call it (starvation or otherwise). Best of luck.
  • Alice_H
    Alice_H Posts: 58 Member
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    No public diary to verify statement? Girl bai.
    What???? Did i ask to be called a liar because i thought that might be fun today?
    My friends can see my diary. Just ask......

    Who called you a liar?
    Well what did you mean then? If you're just stirring, i hope you have a nice day.

    Girl, I can only imagine you're so angry because of how hungry you are. You come in complaining about weight but no one can see your diary to advise: that goes for too many calories OR too few. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

    I don't believe the OP asked for advice, she asked for encouragement. And you jumping in and saying you want to verify? That's just rude.
  • elisa123gal
    elisa123gal Posts: 4,306 Member
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    when you start exercising you gain ..it will go away.
  • taylorblues
    taylorblues Posts: 49 Member
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    Yeah, i don't buy into the starvation mode thing either, but i didn't think weight gain from exercise would be so rapid, and disheartening...

    You know what, neither did I. That is until one day about a moth ago when my weight loss stopped altogether even though I should have been loosing 2 pounds a week. I did follow the advice of eating my calories back for three days and the weight started shedding like crazy. I am a strong believer of eating your exercise calories back now. Please try it regardless of what you call it (starvation or otherwise). Best of luck.


    This also happened to me - but I also reset goal to maintenance for the 1st week and then only half a pound after that - started loosing weight again.

    You have nothing to loose in trying this - except weight of course.

    Good luck!
  • bufger
    bufger Posts: 763 Member
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    I've just upped my calorie allowance by 200 per day as im exercising alot more than i had previously planned. Since doing this ive been losing more weight so you sometimes do have to eat more to lose more. Its all about learding your TDEE and getting to 70-80% of that.
  • sambucaro
    sambucaro Posts: 8 Member
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    Have you possibly gained muscle? Because muscle weighs more than fat! How do your clothes fit?
  • lambertj
    lambertj Posts: 675 Member
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    What's your standard calorie intake and macros, and what's your exercise regime?
    Calorie goal is 1200 and i'm usually under, so i agree with previous posters, that as i'm not overeating i can't really be gaining fat/weight. Have just started doing the shred and i walk quite a bit, run occasionally and netball every other week. Don't know what macro's are :huh:

    You're 5' 10" tall and only eat 1200 calories a day? My goodness, your body has to be starving. I'm only 5' 4" and eating around 1900 and I still get hungry. Your BMR alone has to be higher than 1200.
  • WhitneyAnnabelle
    WhitneyAnnabelle Posts: 724 Member
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    Stress. That's my problem. I need to get some stress out of my life, and then my cortisol will start regulating, and then my body will realize that it needs to stop sucking so much right now despite my best efforts.