Weightlifting Questions

TylerJ76
TylerJ76 Posts: 4,375 Member
Okay, I am going to start lifting weights tomorrow morning. I just had a few questions

I love to run, I want to be running 5 days week and lift weights, do I need to be doing lower body lifts as well? I am just looking to build some muscle to help me lose weight

Can I run/lift on the same day?

How many days should I be lifting?


Please excuse my ignorance, and thank you for your help!

Tyler

Replies

  • schmenge55
    schmenge55 Posts: 745 Member
    Yes, both upper and lower body work is needed even if running. You can do both on the same day as long as one or the other was not too intense. 2-3 days a week is adequate for lifting, but suspect you'll get all kinds of opinions on this. You do not mention core work, but make sure you incorporate. Helps running a lot
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    Absolutely do lower body exercises. Running is not strength training.

    You can run/lift on the same day but I'd definitely try to split it up. It depends on how far/fast you're running. If it's any decent length or intensity I'd do it every other day, opposite the weight lifting. If you're just doing a moderate amount you could probably use it as a warm-up to your weight lifting or throw it in after the weight lifting if you're going to do more.

    For weight lifting days, start with the traditional 3-day program - M/W/F for example. Maybe exclusively run on T/Th?
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    yes

    yes

    3x
  • TylerJ76
    TylerJ76 Posts: 4,375 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?

    No.
  • You could try cardio strength training such as weight training in a circuit format get the heart rate higher than running.
  • fishgutzy
    fishgutzy Posts: 2,807 Member
    I don't run. But I swim 2 miles before lifting weights most of the time I go to the gym unless time limits me to one or the other.
    Though I do lift heavier when I am only doing lifting that day.
  • yo_andi
    yo_andi Posts: 2,178 Member
    It's difficult to build muscle while eating at a deficit. Especially if you're going to make your deficit even bigger by running as much as you do.

    When you run, what kind of running are you doing?

    I lift twice a week and run three days a week and my body is literally changing by the day. For lifting, I lift heavy with a lot of compound movements.

    I run hills once a week, sprints once a week and a slow, steady run once a week.
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
    I love to run, I want to be running 5 days week and lift weights, do I need to be doing lower body lifts as well? I am just looking to build some muscle to help me lose weight

    You should do compound movements that work multiple muscle groups (legs included). aerobic (such as running) training is very different than anaerobic (such as lifting) training. A combination of the both should be most sufficient in reaching your goal. A good start with compound movements would be squats, bench press, deadlifts, rows, etc.

    Can I run/lift on the same day?

    Sure you can. Although, if I were you... and I were looking to increase strength/look better.... I would lift 30-45 minutes and finish it with a 15-20 minute run. It may not be an issue NOW, but, studies show that extended/excessive periods of cardio and lower calorie diets will aid in muscle cannabolism.

    How many days should I be lifting?

    Roughly 3-4. Overtraining can be detremental to your goals. Always allow sufficient time for those particular muscle groups to re-build.

    Starting strength, Stronglifts 5x5, New rules of lifting should push you in the right direction. :)
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?

    No.

    Then you won't be building NEW muscle fiber.

    Although it's possible to repair likely atrophied muscle causing them to fill up with gylcogen (get your pump on), prevent the cannabolism of existing muscle mass, and lose fat so the muscle you DO have is more visible.
  • gailmelanie
    gailmelanie Posts: 210 Member
    3 X/week is probably enough in the way of frequency of weight training, and if you do your running the same day, maybe increase the intensity but decrease the time. As the others have said, running is not strength training except for your heart, so yes you need to do lower body strength training. It is very important to do core strength training every day to prevent injury. I recommend you start with a couple of sessions with a trainer to get a better idea of what exercises or combo of exercises accomplish what you want to do. If you do this and challenge yourself (but don't be stupid and injur yourself) you will see results quickly and wonder why you didn't do it before. When you build muscle your scale may not reflect a weight loss, but your clothes should fit better and your body will look firmer. And finally, the more muscle you have, the more calories your body will burn at rest. There is a limit to that, of course, but it's still true.
  • TylerJ76
    TylerJ76 Posts: 4,375 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?

    No.

    Then you won't be building NEW muscle fiber.

    Although it's possible to repair likely atrophied muscle causing them to fill up with gylcogen (get your pump on), prevent the cannabolism of existing muscle mass, and lose fat so the muscle you DO have is more visible.

    So if I want to lose weight, I need to eat less
    If I want to gain muscle, I need to eat more

    Correct?

    My main goal is to lose the weight, but I also want to be doing some weightlifting.

    Am I reading too much into this? Making it harder then it needs to be?
  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?

    No.

    Then you won't be building NEW muscle fiber.

    Although it's possible to repair likely atrophied muscle causing them to fill up with gylcogen (get your pump on), prevent the cannabolism of existing muscle mass, and lose fat so the muscle you DO have is more visible.

    So if I want to lose weight, I need to eat less
    If I want to gain muscle, I need to eat more

    Correct?

    My main goal is to lose the weight, but I also want to be doing some weightlifting.

    Am I reading too much into this? Making it harder then it needs to be?

    Correct. Although i DO think you should do weight lifting. This should help in your composition when you actually GET to the "goal weight" you have for yourself. It's the worst feeling in the world getting to the weight you set out for yourself and STILL looking fat because you DID lose a lot of weight... mostly fat AND muscle.

    I'd suggest you-

    1.) do weight training to help prevent unnecessary muscle loss
    2.)do weight training to repair atrophied muscles
    3.) do weight training to help lose FAT.
    4.) eat a SMALL caloric deficit to minimize muscle loss
    5.) consume adequate protein to minimize muscle loss

    As you continue to lose weight, losing SOME muscle mass will be inevitable.

    The closer you follow the above, the more likely you'll keep a satisfactory body composition when you hit your goal. As long as you are planning on "losing" focus on losing actual fat and minimizing muscle losses as best as possible. Until you're ready to build new muscle/eat a surplus that is. :)
  • TylerJ76
    TylerJ76 Posts: 4,375 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?

    No.

    Then you won't be building NEW muscle fiber.

    Although it's possible to repair likely atrophied muscle causing them to fill up with gylcogen (get your pump on), prevent the cannabolism of existing muscle mass, and lose fat so the muscle you DO have is more visible.

    So if I want to lose weight, I need to eat less
    If I want to gain muscle, I need to eat more

    Correct?

    My main goal is to lose the weight, but I also want to be doing some weightlifting.

    Am I reading too much into this? Making it harder then it needs to be?

    Correct. Although i DO think you should do weight lifting. This should help in your composition when you actually GET to the "goal weight" you have for yourself. It's the worst feeling in the world getting to the weight you set out for yourself and STILL looking fat because you DID lose a lot of weight... mostly fat AND muscle.

    I'd suggest you-

    1.) do weight training to help prevent unnecessary muscle loss
    2.)do weight training to repair atrophied muscles
    3.) do weight training to help lose FAT.
    4.) eat a SMALL caloric deficit to minimize muscle loss
    5.) consume adequate protein to minimize muscle loss

    As you continue to lose weight, losing SOME muscle mass will be inevitable.

    The closer you follow the above, the more likely you'll keep a satisfactory body composition when you hit your goal. As long as you are planning on "losing" focus on losing actual fat and minimizing muscle losses as best as possible. Until you're ready to build new muscle/eat a surplus that is. :)

    Thank you SO much!!!
  • wolfgate
    wolfgate Posts: 321 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?

    No.

    Then you won't be building NEW muscle fiber.

    Although it's possible to repair likely atrophied muscle causing them to fill up with gylcogen (get your pump on), prevent the cannabolism of existing muscle mass, and lose fat so the muscle you DO have is more visible.

    So if I want to lose weight, I need to eat less
    If I want to gain muscle, I need to eat more

    Correct?

    My main goal is to lose the weight, but I also want to be doing some weightlifting.

    Am I reading too much into this? Making it harder then it needs to be?

    Correct. Although i DO think you should do weight lifting. This should help in your composition when you actually GET to the "goal weight" you have for yourself. It's the worst feeling in the world getting to the weight you set out for yourself and STILL looking fat because you DID lose a lot of weight... mostly fat AND muscle.

    I'd suggest you-

    1.) do weight training to help prevent unnecessary muscle loss
    2.)do weight training to repair atrophied muscles
    3.) do weight training to help lose FAT.
    4.) eat a SMALL caloric deficit to minimize muscle loss
    5.) consume adequate protein to minimize muscle loss

    As you continue to lose weight, losing SOME muscle mass will be inevitable.

    The closer you follow the above, the more likely you'll keep a satisfactory body composition when you hit your goal. As long as you are planning on "losing" focus on losing actual fat and minimizing muscle losses as best as possible. Until you're ready to build new muscle/eat a surplus that is. :)

    Post of the day right here. Took me to long to figure this out and not this clearly. As a competitive runner who needs to get back down to racing weight after a long layoff due to surgery, I found myself initially losing too much muscle and not enough fat. Now working to hit that balance of losing mostly fat and as little muscle as possible.
  • default
    default Posts: 124 Member
    Starting Strength by Mark Rippletoe, look it up, follow it.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    If you are looking to burn fat and build muscle you may want to reduce your running schedule some. Cardio and strength training work somewhat against eachother for muscle mass building. I assume you will be eating in a surplus?

    No.

    Then you won't be building NEW muscle fiber.

    Although it's possible to repair likely atrophied muscle causing them to fill up with gylcogen (get your pump on), prevent the cannabolism of existing muscle mass, and lose fat so the muscle you DO have is more visible.

    So if I want to lose weight, I need to eat less
    If I want to gain muscle, I need to eat more

    Correct?

    My main goal is to lose the weight, but I also want to be doing some weightlifting.

    Am I reading too much into this? Making it harder then it needs to be?

    Correct. Although i DO think you should do weight lifting. This should help in your composition when you actually GET to the "goal weight" you have for yourself. It's the worst feeling in the world getting to the weight you set out for yourself and STILL looking fat because you DID lose a lot of weight... mostly fat AND muscle.

    I'd suggest you-

    1.) do weight training to help prevent unnecessary muscle loss
    2.)do weight training to repair atrophied muscles
    3.) do weight training to help lose FAT.
    4.) eat a SMALL caloric deficit to minimize muscle loss
    5.) consume adequate protein to minimize muscle loss

    As you continue to lose weight, losing SOME muscle mass will be inevitable.

    The closer you follow the above, the more likely you'll keep a satisfactory body composition when you hit your goal. As long as you are planning on "losing" focus on losing actual fat and minimizing muscle losses as best as possible. Until you're ready to build new muscle/eat a surplus that is. :)

    Post of the day right here. Took me to long to figure this out and not this clearly. As a competitive runner who needs to get back down to racing weight after a long layoff due to surgery, I found myself initially losing too much muscle and not enough fat. Now working to hit that balance of losing mostly fat and as little muscle as possible.

    Agree that this is an awesome post! Hit's the nail right on the head!!
  • alpine1994
    alpine1994 Posts: 1,915 Member
    Yes, both upper and lower body work is needed even if running. You can do both on the same day as long as one or the other was not too intense. 2-3 days a week is adequate for lifting, but suspect you'll get all kinds of opinions on this. You do not mention core work, but make sure you incorporate. Helps running a lot

    I don't have much to add, but I agree that core work is super important. It definitely helps running, but also helps make weight lifting more efficient. Everything starts from the core. I like the P90X Core Synergistics DVD.
  • Goal_Line
    Goal_Line Posts: 474 Member
    I do cardio and strength together. I can't run anymore, but i ride my bike, walk/hike and use the cardio machines at the gym. If found strength training really compliments my other activities - I'm a much stronger hiker and ride than I would otherwise be.

    Plus you'll look better naked if you lift.